Australian Ford Forums - A handful of Territorys leak water, but mine is dust proof

grahill

06-02-05, 08:45 PM

I am extremely pleased with the Territory, as it is the first of 5 Fords that I have that is dust proof. Not fans needed when driving on dirt roads to pressurise the cab. Even while traveling in dust storms, no dust gets in the cab.

Still a happy camper

davway

06-02-05, 09:37 PM

were the outside airvents closed or still open?

grahill

07-02-05, 07:50 AM

On re-circulation. All my other Fords still let dust in to some degree, whether it a little or a lot. The EFII that I had, I was always forced to have the fan on fresh air intake, at about 4th speed in order to keep the dust from being drawn in the back when traveling on any dirt road, in any conditions. You could imagine what happened in a dust storm!

Two of my workmates have VY Commodore sedans and theirs always leak dust and dirt into the boot compartment. At least the sedans I had never did that, but the EFII Fairmont wagon did.

Regards Grahill

johnydep

07-02-05, 12:59 PM

No water leaks and no dust leaks either.

when I first got my Terri, I had to swtch over to recirculate when driving in dusty conditions, to stop dust entering through vents.
I immediatly installed a pollen filter & now leave the climate control on Fresh, no dust gets through the pollen filter.

Which reminds me, I'll have to pull it out & inspect it. Should be interesting.

Mechan1k

22-02-05, 06:04 PM

I haven't had any water or dust leaks either.
But I had a nasty power steering leak on the 2nd day I had the car ... found a massive pool of power steer fluid all over the garage floor ... as you can expect ... not happy.

But other than that ... everything is fine now with the car

Laminge

22-02-05, 06:18 PM

Welcome to all the newbies here to the forums

Glad you could make it!

danege

22-02-05, 06:55 PM

You should always run your climate controll / air con on re-circulate... it is alot easier on the parts and runs a million times more efficient.

Mechan1k

22-02-05, 07:23 PM

You should always run your climate controll / air con on re-circulate... it is alot easier on the parts and runs a million times more efficient.

True ... I only have it on Fresh when i turn the A/C off and open the windows ... but that's in moving traffic ... open road I'll close the windows and just use fresh (if the temp is cool).

Usually A/C is on lowest setting (out of about 8 fan speeds I found) though.

grahill

23-02-05, 08:10 AM

You should always run your climate controll / air con on re-circulate... it is alot easier on the parts and runs a million times more efficient.

But what about the reports that afte about ten minutes that the levels of Carbon Dioxie in a vehicle has reached dangerous levels? This recirc setting has been linked to driver fatigue and head aches while driving.

Having it on auto always brings in fresh air.

I travel 98% country driving and fresh air is good for me. (except in a dust storm).

I'm not totally convinced with less wear and tear either.

johnydep

23-02-05, 11:16 AM

But what about the reports that afte about ten minutes that the levels of Carbon Dioxie in a vehicle has reached dangerous levels? This recirc setting has been linked to driver fatigue and head aches while driving.

Having it on auto always brings in fresh air.

I travel 98% country driving and fresh air is good for me. (except in a dust storm).

I'm not totally convinced with less wear and tear either.

I agree.

The Ford manual even mentions using re-circulate for a limited time only, then switching back to Fresh. The reason is as grahil mentions, Carbon Dioxide build up, which causes fatigue, the Territory is sealed quite well.

A Pollen Filter will filter all fine particles, thus preventing parts from wearing. This is also mentioned in the Ford Manual.

Improves the driving experience for asthma and allergy sufferers
Helps to prevent pollen and other fine airborne particles entering the cabin
Helps to eliminate some odours such as diesel fuels
Replaces the standard debris filter

RRP Fitted*: $45.00
Part Number: BA19N619A

grahill

23-02-05, 07:20 PM

Aircon efficiency is also improved by adding window tinting. Apparently according to a car tinting company I used when I tinted the windows of our AU Fairmont, they said UP TO a possible 12% better efficiency.

When getting into a hot car, turn on your climate control and wind the windows down a little for about 2 minutes. This blows out a lot of the hot air and saves cooling the already hot air. After two minutes close the windows. The auto climate will eventually reach temp and only cool when needed. The Territory (Along with many Ford family cars) comes with great aircon. With auto climate, it will always select re-circ first then switch to fresh after a minute or two. This is usually heard when fan speeds start to slow slightly.

I have heard recently that a number of Fords (not necessarily Territory) that the aircons can leak water onto the interior carpet. This happens when leaf matter blocks the aircon drainage. I suggest you avoid parking under flowering trees or those that tend to leave debris all over your car after work.

johnydep

23-02-05, 09:24 PM

........................... With auto climate, it will always select re-circ first then switch to fresh after a minute or two. This is usually heard when fan speeds start to slow slightly.

I have heard recently that a number of Fords (not necessarily Territory) that the aircons can leak water onto the interior carpet. This happens when leaf matter blocks the aircon drainage. .........

Actually, the interior air temperature can reach temperatures 20 degree C hotter than outside, so the climate control will stay on the Fresh setting to bring in the cooler outside air.
The Fresh air is used to push out the hotter interior air out of the vehicle with a high fan speed and preferably slightly open windows, as the interior temperature normalises the fan speed will drop down.

Some vehicles do have a problem with drain tubes blocking, namely early model Commodores and the occasional Falcon. This has been fixed in the Territory by the inclusion of a standard debris filter, which is located behind the glove box, it is a fine mesh screen. A Pollen filter can be installed in place of the debris filter, which will catch pollen, dirt, dust, etc.

This will probably lead to other problems down the track as these filters become forgotten and not cleaned.
Service intervals;
Debris filter - clean every 15000km
Pollen filter - replace every 5000km

rex

02-03-05, 08:18 AM

I recently covered able 500 km on a bulldusty road with the air con on and found that dust seemed to get in through the seals around a couple of the doors and the tailgate.I will be having this looked at when the 15000k service is done.The road was extremly badly broken up and dusty the dust deflector worked well and kept the dust off the back window except in the very rough sections where the bulldust was about a foot deep , but once I built up speed again to increase the air flow the dust cleared

winfield_blue

18-10-05, 04:26 PM

i have a xf falcon 84 model leaking water onto the passenger side floor. to me i beleive that the drain hole was full of leaves, mud etc. as i went to investigate the course i pulled out and hosed a lot of crap out of it. so hopefully that will fix the problem

Black Terra

18-10-05, 05:45 PM

I agree.

The Ford manual even mentions using re-circulate for a limited time only, then switching back to Fresh. The reason is as grahil mentions, Carbon Dioxide build up, which causes fatigue, the Territory is sealed quite well.

A Pollen Filter will filter all fine particles, thus preventing parts from wearing. This is also mentioned in the Ford Manual.

Improves the driving experience for asthma and allergy sufferers
Helps to prevent pollen and other fine airborne particles entering the cabin
Helps to eliminate some odours such as diesel fuels
Replaces the standard debris filter

RRP Fitted*: $45.00
Part Number: BA19N619A

I may be a little silly however if the Terra is well sealed then how do exhaust gases enter cabin & build up or does this happen as a part of the Air Cooling process?

The latter would be crazy if true.

And if it is 35 degrees outside then that is 35 degree air that has to be cooled as opposed to inside air which may be say 25.

I remember on the XC Fairmont I used to own way back then they advised for Max cooling efficiency to set to recirculate.

johnydep

18-10-05, 06:02 PM

I may be a little silly however if the Terra is well sealed then how do exhaust gases enter cabin & build up or does this happen as a part of the Air Cooling process?

The latter would be crazy if true.

And if it is 35 degrees outside then that is 35 degree air that has to be cooled as opposed to inside air which may be say 25.

I remember on the XC Fairmont I used to own way back then they advised for Max cooling efficiency to set to recurculate.

I don't understand; are you saying that your vehicle fills with exhaust gases?

The A/C systems today are a lot more efficient than the XC period A/C systems.

My Terri's A/C is always on fresh and is like a fidge.

Black Terra

18-10-05, 06:49 PM

I don't understand; are you saying that your vehicle fills with exhaust gases?

This is what I thought you were saying as how does so much carbon dioxide build up?

The A/C systems today are a lot more efficient than the XC period A/C
systems.

Maybe so however they did not advise to run on fresh & would have been more of a chance of exhaust gas build up.

My Terri's A/C is always on fresh and is like a fidge.

Yes again this may be so however if you cooled the cooler air inside then it you could set temp a little higher & would not run as often.

Surely people breathing would not build up that much?

Oh when you turn Air to Max it sets it to inside cooling.

barra64

18-10-05, 07:00 PM

the carbon dioxide buildup is from the humans not the exhaust..

Territory

19-10-05, 02:04 AM

the carbon dioxide buildup is from the humans not the exhaust..
Yes... perhaps he confused it with carbon monoxide.

Black Terra

19-10-05, 07:40 AM

Yes... perhaps he confused it with carbon monoxide.

No not confused between Co & Co2 however am confused as to what people were saying about gassing yourself if you did not have open to fresh air.

I did not think a few people breathing would be a problem specially as vehicle is never totally sealed to the outside anyway as if you have ever driven behind one of those badly tuned diesels you sure can still smell the diesel gas even when closed off.

Now the question the the Ford guy on here would be is it dangerous to drive with Air set to recycle?

If so why not have a filter so could take gasses etc out of air inside cabin in the process?

grahill

19-10-05, 08:10 AM

I have heard of some technology being developed that a Carbon Dioxide monitor would exist in the cabin of the vehicle and when it reaches an unsafe level, would bring in fresh air for a short period, and yes the air coming in would be filtered from most air polutants.

Maybe the FORD Motor company could make this standard on all AUTO optioned airconditioners?

.

Footrot

19-10-05, 09:05 AM

A fridgie mate of mine also recommends running on fresh occasionally to stop mould build up. Also a little off track our mechanic recommended we lose the sheepskin seatcovers and steering wheel covers because of the fly-away fibres prematurely clogging up the evaporator reducing its efficiency.

johnydep

19-10-05, 09:26 AM

No not confused between Co & Co2 however am confused as to what people were saying about gassing yourself if you did not have open to fresh air.

I did not think a few people breathing would be a problem specially as vehicle is never totally sealed to the outside anyway as if you have ever driven behind one of those badly tuned diesels you sure can still smell the diesel gas even when closed off.
......

A few people breathing will not cause the carbon dioxide levels to become dangerous, but high levels may cause drowsiness, which is a major concern especially on long drives when other factors also contribute to drowsiness.

By letting in fresh air you are renewing the oxygen levels and refreshing yourself & passengers.

To achieve the best results;
City driving - use recirculate to keep out smells.
Country - use fresh to take advantage of that nice country air.

With mine I leave it on fresh all the time and let the polen filter do its job, and I replace it regularly.

Black Terra

19-10-05, 10:29 AM

FirstFord

19-10-05, 01:32 PM

Some very good advice here. I always drive with the aircon on and set to re-circulate. I was always told that even when you have the heater on, having the aircon on de-humidifies the air, which helps prevent drowsiness. Never considered the mix change with Ox and carbond dioxide.

As someone who has fallen asleep at the wheel (not in the T), I'll certainly take on board the advice here. Thankfully, we were on the Hume Freeway at the time which has tactile edging (thankyou Vicroads), which woke me up and prevented us running onto the median, as I'd drifted from the left lane to the right lane.

dan.76

19-10-05, 01:52 PM

i always thought you were supposed to have the ac on fresh air when possible on dirt roads to build up a pressure seal to help stop dust coming in

grahill

19-10-05, 08:33 PM

A few people breathing will not cause the carbon dioxide levels to become dangerous, but high levels may cause drowsiness, which is a major concern especially on long drives when other factors also contribute to drowsiness.

By letting in fresh air you are renewing the oxygen levels and refreshing yourself & passengers.

To achieve the best results;
City driving - use recirculate to keep out smells.
Country - use fresh to take advantage of that nice country air.

With mine I leave it on fresh all the time and let the polen filter do its job, and I replace it regularly.

I have seen the Discovery Channel documentary, and it took ten minutes, driving in city traffic, with three adults in the sedan, using a hand held digital metre. They said it was dangerous, so I guess an interpretation of dangerous could mean drousiness and drifting into the path of other cars. However they also mentioned the main cause of headaches when driving was by the increased levels of Carbon Dioxide in a vehicles cabin.

I for one tend to want fresh air, and still use fresh in the city/town driving, unless behind a smokey.

Mechan1k

21-10-05, 11:32 AM

I always enjoy driving with the window open (unless there is an awful stench in the air outside).

Had to word that carefully ... ROFL.

I feel a little claustraphobic (sp?) with all the windows closed when driving (especially in my ute with the dark tint) ... 9 out of 10 times I have the window open ... even if it is a bit.

But in dusty areas ... well ... I haven't travelled through any yet.

johnydep

25-10-05, 01:04 PM

The filter is the same as the BA Falcon range, so the instructions are for that model.
The only difference is that the installation on the Territory is easier, the glove box does not need to be removed.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/data/500/Pollen_filter_installation_instructions.jpg

pistonbroken

16-06-07, 02:10 PM

Elguapo

16-06-07, 03:27 PM

Ok,an old thread.But I thought I would add some info.
Ryco are now making after-market pollen filters for the BA/BF's and the Terris.But what is interesting is that they do 2 differant filters.One is just a dust/particle filter,but the good 1 also has a layer of charcoal in it to absorb pollution and fumes ect.
They are available from Repco and Bursons stores around the country.
The part number are:RCA110p for the particle filter(same as the ford 1)
and RCA110c for the charcoal 1.It is a little dearer than the normal 1.
Hope this helps.

Gee you are digging up some old threads. The carbon filter has been discussed on this site numerous times (see http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=75007&highlight=ryco+carbon for example). Just make sure if you do buy one it has the replacement cover in the box. I believe some of the ones sold at Supercheap didn;t come with the cover as the were quite old stock.

allypally

16-06-07, 04:47 PM

Toss out ya Pollen Filters and get the Charcoal one. Now that the prices are plummeted on them, they are almost as cheap as the pollen ones. They filter everything. I have tested mine in the outback on bulldust roads, and hardly a trace of dust in the car. Following those smoke emitting trucks hardly raises a nostril hair.
You can also add one of those tine pine tree thingy's to hang off your mirror. I heard trees absorb CO2 and CO1 gases. (OK...Maybe the last point is not tested yet)
Just love those greenies to death.