Idiots locking their kids in cars today.

[GASWAGON]

My mum said she saw a news article about the emergency services attending 25 call outs for kids being locked in cars and distressed.

One callout was for 2 very young kids locked in while the old man was in the bottleshop for a whole 10 minutes!!!! (obviously enjoying the air conditioning).

Geesus christ it was 40 something in Melbourne today a locked car would be 50degrees within 10 minutes.

This makes me sick and it would really scare some kids not to be able to get out of the car.

Why ar'nt ther fines and even demerit points being given to these stupid 'so called' parents???

[Taily]

Fines and demerit points are too lenient for something so valuable as a child.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Taily

Fines and demerit points are too lenient for something so valuable as a child.

Tell me about it I got a 2.5 yr old son and he definitely lets you know when he's not happy.....And he can't even talk properly yet!

I just warned the missus bigtime about it because she has lost/locked keys in car a few times.

And he actually locked himself in one warmish day cos he found the central lock button....All windows were up......Luckily RACV wernt to far away!

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Tell me about it I got a 2.5 yr old son and he definitely lets you know when he's not happy.....And he can't even talk properly yet!

I just warned the missus bigtime about it because she has lost/locked keys in car a few times.

And he actually locked himself in one warmish day cos he found the central lock button....All windows were up......Luckily RACV wernt to far away!

Am I missing something here, why was your child in the car unattended when he locked himself in?

Easy to blame others but what about your self.

Some times people make bad judgement others don't care.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by trublu

Am I missing something here, why was your child in the car unattended when he locked himself in?

Easy to blame others but what about your self.

Some times people make bad judgement others don't care.

Mate we learned a big lesson from that morning....He is my first and only child and he had a fascination for playing in the car and pressing all the buttons etc.

We DO NOT let him play in the car anymore!

[Windsor220]

I wonder where you would stand legally if you bricked the window to get them out.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

I wonder where you would stand legally if you bricked the window to get them out.

Surely they wouldn't fine you for that...geesus wots the world coming too

And that's if you can find a brick or rock or something to break the window before its too late........In a big shopping car park it would be hard to find something.

[Boza]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Surely they wouldn't fine you for that...geesus wots the world coming too

And that's if you can find a brick or rock or something to break the window before its too late........In a big shopping car park it would be hard to find something.

I'd use a wheel brace or jack always in the boot some 4wds come with glass break hammers in the tool kit aswell

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

I wonder where you would stand legally if you bricked the window to get them out.

I would call for emergency services first (if the child is suffering from heat stress in needs help and fast and unless they are driving past, they are at least a few mins away and a few minuets can be the difference between life and death), and if the child is under obvious heat stress I would give little regard to the law and break the window to save the child.

I wouldn't do any more damage than was necessary to gain access, but, I don't think I would have any hesitation in smashing a window.

I'm not a legal wizz; but I like to think if it were me personally thats what I would do.

That and if the parrents turned up after I smashed the window I would probably want the emregency services people to hold me back form strangeling them

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

I would call for emergency services first (if the child is suffering from heat stress in needs help and fast and unless they are driving past, they are at least a few mins away and a few minuets can be the difference between life and death), and if the child is under obvious heat stress I would give little regard to the law and break the window to save the child.

I wouldn't do any more damage than was necessary to gain access, but, I don't think I would have any hesitation in smashing a window.

I'm not a legal wizz; but I like to think if it were me personally thats what I would do.

That and if the parrents turned up after I smashed the window I would probably want the emregency services people to hold me back form strangeling them

This is what I reminded my missus of yesterday is that RACV/ES etc ar'nt always just around the corner especially on a hot hot day. so if the kid is really suffering and even frightened/panicking trying to get out you would just have to do whatever you can to break a window......And if I had a brick I would throw it at the parents when they turn up!

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

I wonder where you would stand legally if you bricked the window to get them out.

i was at bondi westfields doing some work one day and noticed one of those silly little dogs in the car next to me, all windows were up and this dog was going off! so i called security and they told me to break a window.
the hardest decision i had was what tool to use but settled on a lump hammer.

the bloke when he finally got back to his car an hour latter was going off his rocker. nearly hit him with the hammer. poor dog would have been dead.

ill tell you now if it was a child i would have broken window first, then called the cops, then flogged the bloke

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

i was at bondi westfields doing some work one day and noticed one of those silly little dogs in the car next to me, all windows were up and this dog was going off! so i called security and they told me to break a window.
the hardest decision i had was what tool to use but settled on a lump hammer.

the bloke when he finally got back to his car an hour latter was going off his rocker. nearly hit him with the hammer. poor dog would have been dead.

ill tell you now if it was a child i would have broken window first, then called the cops, then flogged the bloke

Yep nice one! 1 hour FFS! I seriously cannot believe the stupidity, dogs or kids....

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

i was at bondi westfields doing some work one day and noticed one of those silly little dogs in the car next to me, all windows were up and this dog was going off! so i called security and they told me to break a window.
the hardest decision i had was what tool to use but settled on a lump hammer.

the bloke when he finally got back to his car an hour latter was going off his rocker. nearly hit him with the hammer. poor dog would have been dead.

ill tell you now if it was a child i would have broken window first, then called the cops, then flogged the bloke

Most State and Territory criminal legislation contains provisions about carrying out an illegal act in order to prevent a more serious offence occurring. Or in this case, carrying out an “act” (like smashing someone’s window, which would otherwise be classified as criminal damage) to prevent injury, loss of life, or in an emergency situation like rescuing a child from a hot, locked car. In short, if it can be seen that you smashed the window in good faith (i.e. save the kid from dying), then you’ve got a defence to being sued or prosecuted by the muppet whose window you broke.

Police (dunno about Ambos and Firies) have an additional protection in specific legislation for Police and emergency services that says words to the effect, in the line of duty, they can break someone else’s property in the event of an emergency.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Most State and Territory criminal legislation contains provisions about carrying out an illegal act in order to prevent a more serious offence occurring. Or in this case, carrying out an “act” (like smashing someone’s window, which would otherwise be classified as criminal damage) to prevent injury, loss of life, or in an emergency situation like rescuing a child from a hot, locked car. In short, if it can be seen that you smashed the window in good faith (i.e. save the kid from dying), then you’ve got a defence to being sued or prosecuted by the muppet whose window you broke.

Police (dunno about Ambos and Firies) have an additional protection in specific legislation for Police and emergency services that says words to the effect, in the line of duty, they can break someone else’s property in the event of an emergency.

Here's one state government's info pack on what you should avoid, why and what you can do if you see this:

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docs.../kids_cars.pdf

[MITCHAY]

Not 1 but 25. That is a very very disturbing picture of how some parents can be so negligent.

[Charliewool]

Good mate of mine's a Fiery...
Unwritten rule amongst them when they get called to these situations, is to "jaws of life" the B pillar to access locked in kids.
Apparently, the vehicle is then a "write off"

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Good mate of mine's a Fiery...
Unwritten rule amongst them when they get called to these situations, is to "jaws of life" the B pillar to access locked in kids.
Apparently, the vehicle is then a "write off"

Blood oath and I hope the fool that left the kids in the car is uninsured as well!!.

[cal0006]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Good mate of mine's a Fiery...
Unwritten rule amongst them when they get called to these situations, is to "jaws of life" the B pillar to access locked in kids.
Apparently, the vehicle is then a "write off"

That's actually great. I'm all for that little bit of intentionally driven karma to teach knobs a lesson.

Does anyone know the legal standpoint when it comes to breaking into a car to save a child or animal (and whether it differs between the two)? Because technically you're breaking in.

[superyob]

Adults would not lock themselves in a hot car yet think nothing of it when it comes to their kids...

[data_mine]

Originally Posted by superyob

Adults would not lock themselves in a hot car yet think nothing of it when it comes to their kids...

don't bet on it.


http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...108-30hde.html

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by data_mine

don't bet on it.


http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...108-30hde.html

Interesting article, you would think these cars with all the gadgets would have a manual override system.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by trublu

Interesting article, you would think these cars with all the gadgets would have a manual override system.

They do don't they....? The keypad has a regular key inside it that you can use to start it...?

[HELLOYOU]

Saw it again myself today.

[usernametaken]

It sounds like you're describing a full side removal.

Before you pop the front door, you need to bust the glass windows (effectively releasing the child), then you need to remove the rear door before you can cut the B pillar.

No IC would let them do it.

[Geez Louise]

I couldn't believe this myself when I saw it on the news. The numbers are just unbelievable!

There really needs to be seriously harsh penalties for people who leave kids and/or animals locked in cars on hot days.

Cheers
Col

[GASWAGON]

Surely they would just use an axe on which ever window will do the least damgage to kid/s?

Mind you breaking a curved window can take some effort!

[Geez Louise]

I think smashing a window, leads to glass shattering inside the car, and could hit those inside.

[Fab]

I don't have kids of my own, but everytime i hear this sort of stuff on the news, it infuriates me.
Penalties aren't harsh enough.

[neptune blue]

I can't believe in this day and age such stupidity still exists
a - holes the lot of them

[Struggo]

If you are ever in dire need and close to home/shop, use broken porcelain from an old/spare/new spark plug.

The glass will shatter with ease.