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Old 11-02-2013, 04:30 PM   #1
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Just filled up at Coles Shell servo , bought more than $2.00 in store , previously you got an extra 2 cents per litre along with the 8 cent shopper docket. NO SIGNS up saying the extra 2 cents no longer available , not a great fortune lost , but over $2.00 which I could have had if I used the Woolworths docket. In future will be going to the Woolworths supermarket and their servo. At least they give 4 cents per litre , in this case an extra $4.00 along with their 8 cents a litre off.

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Old 11-02-2013, 04:49 PM   #3
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That 8c / litre probably costs you 12c at the register when you shop ... I know my local BP always matches the discounted price and sometimes is even cheaper .
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Extra discount stopped Feb 1st. Yup, I buy the milk for work at the Coles and no longer get the bonus... Then again, the milk is cheaper...
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I shop at ALDI and buy my fuel from BP. No fuel discount, but it ends up significantly cheaper overall, and is hopefully breaking the monopoly Woolworths and Coles have in both the grocery and fuel market.
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They take with one hand and give with the other, if they manage to destroy the independent operators the discounts will finish.
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In reality, you're saving next to nothing anyway. Couple bucks at the register.
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They take with one hand and give with the other, if they manage to destroy the independent operators the discounts will finish.
Haven't they pretty much done that in the cities?
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Saves you SFA anyway, waste of time IMO.
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:47 PM   #10
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That 8c / litre probably costs you 12c at the register when you shop ... I know my local BP always matches the discounted price and sometimes is even cheaper .
The problem is that if you shop at Coles or Woolies but don't buy your fuel at their locations then you've paid at the register and at the bowser, they pretty well have us over a barrel guys. When I fill the patrol she's a decent saving but like you've all said . . . They get you anyway
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Saves you SFA anyway, waste of time IMO.
pretty much.

with our fly buys card, we get specials like save a 16c per litre if you spend over $240 at Coles/Bilo for example, and if you fill from bone dry its a fair saving

so full 60L tank of premium @ 1.55/L = $93

after discount = $83
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I shop at ALDI and buy my fuel from BP. No fuel discount, but it ends up significantly cheaper overall, and is hopefully breaking the monopoly Woolworths and Coles have in both the grocery and fuel market.
I'm with you, I shop at the IGA that has been owned by three generations of the same family since 1933, then I buy my petrol from the crazy lady around the corner at the BP minimart. At least some of my money stays in town.
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I'm with you, I shop at the IGA that has been owned by three generations of the same family since 1933, then I buy my petrol from the crazy lady around the corner at the BP minimart. At least some of my money stays in town.
I work for one of the big retailers and i still dont buy my fuel there. Always at BP.
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In reality, you're saving next to nothing anyway. Couple bucks at the register.
Yeah you guys are right.
I fill up only at Coles/Shell express once a week for about 100L of LPG. With an 8c voucher I 'only' save about $8 per tank. Over the course of a year it's 'only' a saving of like $416. SFA.

A few things also, my mum shops at Coles and gives me the vouchers, she often pays in separate $30+ transactions to get multiple vouchers in one shopping trip, yes they allow this.
I shop at ALDI generally, so not paying the apparently inflated costs to cover the discount.
Coles express LPG is usually the cheapest around to start with too.
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Yeah you guys are right.
I fill up only at Coles/Shell express once a week for about 100L of LPG. With an 8c voucher I 'only' save about $8 per tank. Over the course of a year it's 'only' a saving of like $416. SFA.
1- I dont have a 100L LPG fuel tank.
2- If i wanted to save money i wouldnt use BP98
3- If i wanted to save money id own a car thats a little cheaper to run.

It would save me on average $5 a week on a rough calculation. Nothing major IMO.
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1- I dont have a 100L LPG fuel tank.
2- If i wanted to save money i wouldnt use BP98
3- If i wanted to save money id own a car thats a little cheaper to run.

It would save me on average $5 a week on a rough calculation. Nothing major IMO.
Yep that's all fine.

My response was to your "SFA saving" comment, when infact between my 2 cars it probably equals a yearly saving of near $600. Unless you're like a multi-millionaire $600 is not SFA.
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That 8c / litre probably costs you 12c at the register when you shop ... I know my local BP always matches the discounted price and sometimes is even cheaper .
What ???????? BP matching the discounted price? Where is that happening? EVERY and I mean EVERY BP in Adelaide is always the dearest in every fuel cycle. Which is a shame because the guy that tinkered with my engine reckons they have the best Premium fuel.
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The part that i love so much is watching people line up in massive queues to get their 4c a litre discount. Often in little bubble cars where it has a max capacity of 50 litres. Half hour later when i finish shopping, the have just finished filling up to save their 2 bucks. Provided they were bone dry of course. If they are willing to wait and idle their car for half an hour to save under 2 bucks, it makes you wonder if they'd be happy working for 4 bucks an hour doesn't it?
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I shop at ALDI and buy my fuel from BP. No fuel discount, but it ends up significantly cheaper overall, and is hopefully breaking the monopoly Woolworths and Coles have in both the grocery and fuel market.
I believe you mean 'Duopoly'?
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Yeah you guys are right.
I fill up only at Coles/Shell express once a week for about 100L of LPG. With an 8c voucher I 'only' save about $8 per tank. Over the course of a year it's 'only' a saving of like $416. SFA.
$416 a year looks impressive ,when its a years total
But i cant be bothered sitting in line wasting fuel while the other 10,15,20 cars get their $8 a tank savings
Car idling for 10,15,20 mins, sitting there doin nothin to save $8 a tank
Ill gladly throw the $8 out the window to be on my way anywhere earlier
Funny part about all this, fuel out my way is around 10 C a litre cheaper than the city , and it has to travel a further 150 Ks, go figure .....
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Where do you people live with all these lines??

I fill up either in Wollongong or Sydney and 95% of the time I pull right up to a bowser, or need to wait for 1 car.
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The whole docket system is a scam. The ACCC should grow some big, fat hairy balls and start breaking down this duopoly!
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My nearest supermarket is Coles, with very easy hassle free parking. Also, 3 out of my 4 closest servos are Shell so it goes without saying I use the shopper dockets all the time.
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I fillup at an independant.. The worst so far for months and months has been $1.41 for straight ULP91 on Saturday. Fuel appears to be good.

Discount dockets are laughable
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Where do you people live with all these lines??

I fill up either in Wollongong or Sydney and 95% of the time I pull right up to a bowser, or need to wait for 1 car.
Epping Woolies is terrible between 6 and 8 pm.
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I fill up either in Wollongong or Sydney and 95% of the time I pull right up to a bowser, or need to wait for 1 car.
^^^^^ This, I have never lined up for my discount fuel and I fill up every week, not sure where you people live to line up for an hour, never heard of such a thing or experienced it, I just drive up to the bowser and get out fill up and drive away, it's been that easy been doing it like that for nearly 30 years at least once per week.

This thread must be full of people with plenty of cash when a $400-600 saving per year is not worth handing over a voucher for, thats like three weeks worth of shopping or your rego payed for or your insurance for the year payed for, or a few good nights out payed for or xmas presents for the kids and family covered for the year or 4-8 weeks worth of petrol depending on your usage payed for, etc etc.

Wish I could afford to call that not worth it simply for claiming a discount, as its plenty worth it to me.

Keeping in mind that you can only spend every $$ once and then it's gone, why are so many people here willing to throw away that amount of money??

Happy to post up my account details, and all you guys who don't worry about $600, and consider it a waste of time please feel free to deposit it into my account as I will make good use of it.
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^^^^^ This, I have never lined up for my discount fuel and I fill up every week, not sure where you people live to line up for an hour, never heard of such a thing or experienced it, I just drive up to the bowser and get out fill up and drive away, it's been that easy been doing it like that for nearly 30 years at least once per week.

This thread must be full of people with plenty of cash when a $400-600 saving per year is not worth handing over a voucher for, thats like three weeks worth of shopping or your rego payed for or your insurance for the year payed for, or a few good nights out payed for or xmas presents for the kids and family covered for the year or 4-8 weeks worth of petrol depending on your usage payed for, etc etc.

Wish I could afford to call that not worth it simply for claiming a discount, as its plenty worth it to me.

Keeping in mind that you can only spend every $$ once and then it's gone, why are so many people here willing to throw away that amount of money??

Happy to post up my account details, and all you guys who don't worry about $600, and consider it a waste of time please feel free to deposit it into my account as I will make good use of it.
Yep, you’re exactly the mindset that the two majors want. No offence but the far NW of NSW is hardly going to have the traffic volume of a capital city.

As for your $600 a year saving, keep believing that you’re saving, because that’s what they want you to believe. The truth is that they are reaming you sideways (without lube) and every day I see people who are prepared to wait, sometimes for nearly an hour just to use their shopper docket.

If the two major corporate thieves weren’t in the fuel game, you’d probably be paying 90 cents a litre.

Also, with your $600 a year fuel saving, have you noticed that your grocery bill has probably gone up $2500 a year?
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Yep, you’re exactly the mindset that the two majors want. No offence but the far NW of NSW is hardly going to have the traffic volume of a capital city.

As for your $600 a year saving, keep believing that you’re saving, because that’s what they want you to believe. The truth is that they are reaming you sideways (without lube) and every day I see people who are prepared to wait, sometimes for nearly an hour just to use their shopper docket.

If the two major corporate thieves weren’t in the fuel game, you’d probably be paying 90 cents a litre.

Also, with your $600 a year fuel saving, have you noticed that your grocery bill has probably gone up $2500 a year?
Well I have only been in Far Northern NSW for 5 months, lived the last 44 years in Sydney, drove in Sydney and filled up in Sydney, never had lines anywhere I filled up, have never waited an hour or even 5 minutes to fill up??

So you recon there are servos with lines long enough to cause a one hour wait??? There might be one somewhere (have never seen it though), but it certainly is not common anywhere.

Now you have me wondering do you get a discount on your groceries for not using the dockets or do you just grow and kill your own and not go to supermarkets???

The way I see it I need to shop regardless, no matter if I use the dockets/discount or not, so why not claim your rebate???
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Just filled up at Coles Shell servo , bought more than $2.00 in store , previously you got an extra 2 cents per litre along with the 8 cent shopper docket. NO SIGNS up saying the extra 2 cents no longer available , not a great fortune lost , but over $2.00 which I could have had if I used the Woolworths docket. In future will be going to the Woolworths supermarket and their servo. At least they give 4 cents per litre , in this case an extra $4.00 along with their 8 cents a litre off.
So let me get this right:
You bought 70 litres of fuel (being generous) and spent >$2 in the store to save yourself $1.40.
Nice work!
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So let me get this right:
You bought 70 litres of fuel (being generous) and spent >$2 in the store to save yourself $1.40.
Nice work!
What part of that sentence makes no sense?

When the $0.02 saving per litre for $2 spent in store was in play it meant you could buy a $2 carton of milk, and with 70L of fuel, you end up only paying 60c for that carton. (With 100L that carton was free)

Of course that no longer applies, so just pay for your fuel and leave.
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