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Old 23-01-2019, 10:55 AM   #1
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I came across an interesting site where you can look up any make/model of car and find out how many are still registered:

https://carsafe.com.au/risk-rating#

This is something I've always wondered about. I found out:

There are still over 80,000 AU Falcons registered in Australia. This means that 1 in 3 sold are still registered. This is exactly comparable to the number of VT Commodores that are still registered (also a bit over 80,000 or 33% of original numbers).

With the BA, 2/3rds (66%) are still on the road. Going back to the EF/EL, their numbers are really starting to thin out, with less than 40,000 of them still around (only 13% left).

For the Holden comparison, about 15% of VR/VS Commodores (46,000) are left.

With the Ford Territory, 93% sold are still registered, which isn't too surprising I guess, seeing as the oldest ones are now still only 14 years old.

The Japanese, as you would expect, are doing considerably better - for example, 30% of 1994-1997 Accords are still registered, and almost 75% of 1998-2003 models are still on the roads (compared to 33% for the Ford/Holden equivalents!). Incredibly, 60% of first generation (94-00) RAV4s are still on the roads, even though these vehicles are now 19-25 years old!

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Old 23-01-2019, 11:40 AM   #2
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Only from 1993 onwards, interesting though......

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Sad to see there are only a couple thousand EB Falcons left on the roads.
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Only from 1993 onwards, interesting though......
My 93 is not there. Doesn't show vans at all XF XG XH.
Good showing of XH utes though, in Vic 3970's, 2015 Mustangs 4990's.
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My 93 is not there. Doesn't show vans at all XF XG XH.
Good showing of XH utes though, in Vic 3970's, 2015 Mustangs 4990's.
Quite a few missing when you dig deeper, some of it may be due to 'with each vehicle requiring at least 1,000 registrations nationally at 31 December 2017 to be included.'
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Old 23-01-2019, 12:32 PM   #6
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Interesting site, with some good statistics, thanks for posting.

For fun, I did a search of Mustangs 2015 +, that are still registered.

We were told that there were around 20,000 plus, 6th Gen Australian Mustangs that have now been sold.

Yet only 15,175 are still registered if this site is to be believed.
Maybe, 5,000 or so have been written off in accidents.

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And Victoria has more Mustangs than any State? Why, I wonder?
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I imagine that some people would have bought the Mustang for a race car that they never intended to register for road use. I don't know whether it would be as many as 5,000 that did so but I'm sure it must account for some of the missing ones.
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Interesting site, with some good statistics, thanks for posting.

For fun, I did a search of Mustangs 2015 +, that are still registered.

We were told that there were around 20,000 plus, 6th Gen Australian Mustangs that have now been sold.

Yet only 15,175 are still registered if this site is to be believed.
Maybe, 5,000 or so have been written off in accidents.

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The reason is because that data is from 2017/2018 - i.e. over a year ago! There were less of them back then. For example, there are about 21,906 Mustangs currently (as of Dec 31, 2018), but a year ago that number was only 15,494.

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The reason is because that data is from 2017/2018 - i.e. over a year ago! There were less of them back then. For example, there are about 21,906 Mustangs currently (as of Dec 31, 2018), but a year ago that number was only 15,494.
Then the 2017/ 2018 stat they use is misleading (unless they are talking a financial year) ... 2018 only ended 23 days ago.
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1335 Mustangs in WA, most of those would have to be in Rockingham and Baldivis. I am sure they have more Mustangs per square Km than the rest of WA.
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1005 Mustang in SA.
Number is surprisingly low as they are everywhere here.
Maybe I've just seen them all
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True enough. I reckon I see at least one Mustang ever time I drive down to the shops or whatever.
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Easily.
In fact there's enough around to make me think the number is no longer current.
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According to these statistics: (sedan only)

Falcon EB: Total of 2318 vehicles licensed.
Falcon ED: Total of 5279 vehicles licensed.
Falcon EL: Total of 21518 vehicles licensed.
Falcon AU: Total of 82412 vehicles licensed.
Falcon BA: Total of 119102 vehicles licensed. (not incl. FPV)
Falcon BF: Total of 71011vehicles licensed. (not incl. FPV)
Falcon FG: Total of 105190 vehicles licensed. (not incl. FPV)
Falcon FGX: Total of 8449 vehicles licensed.

I was surprised to see so many AU and BA models still with plates on them. It probably would be these models that have the highest scrapping rates at the moment.

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The Japanese, as you would expect, are doing considerably better - for example, 30% of 1994-1997 Accords are still registered, and almost 75% of 1998-2003 models are still on the roads (compared to 33% for the Ford/Holden equivalents!). Incredibly, 60% of first generation (94-00) RAV4s are still on the roads, even though these vehicles are now 19-25 years old!
But aren't those higher percentages of smaller total numbers sold? So better in terms of percentage but not in how many are actually left?
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Good to see so many BA and BF still out there.

They are the best lookers of the bunch.
You can say exactly the same about the AU I reckon .. Based on the figures provided 82 K for cars 17-21 years old says a bit about well built cars .

No doubt the AU denyers will disagree with me once again . Pretty common occurrence these days but I couldn't care less .
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You can say exactly the same about the AU I reckon .. Based on the figures provided 82 K for cars 17-21 years old says a bit about well built cars .

No doubt the AU denyers will disagree with me once again . Pretty common occurrence these days but I couldn't care less .
The VT almost had a 1 year head start on the AU.

In sedans and wagons alone GMH sold 150,000 more units than the AU up until the end of 2002. To still have 80,000 units trawling the streets is remarkable. The amount ive seen at wreckers with exceptional paint and panel is sad and I still have a photographic memory of those lost :(… unfortunately you can only house so many strays :(

The AU casts an immense shadow over the venerable HQ holden which was once regarded as the most dependable and prolific aussie icon on 4 wheels.

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You can say exactly the same about the AU I reckon .. Based on the figures provided 82 K for cars 17-21 years old says a bit about well built cars .

No doubt the AU denyers will disagree with me once again . Pretty common occurrence these days but I couldn't care less .
But in my first comment, I mentioned that that number (82k) only represents 1/3 of the original number that were sold (which was about 250k). 33% is not a particularly high figure. Look at how many 1997-2002 Toyota Camrys/Vientas are still registered - over 120,000. About 170,000 of those models were sold, meaning 70% are still on the road.

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Ford Ranger PX now has a whopping 173756 vehicles in total on the road, and 260 thefts per year.
BT50 2011+ total is 77820 vehicles and 95 thefts per year.

Ranger PK model total is 35845 vehicles and 63 thefts.
Ranger PJ model total is 28137 vehicles and 69 thefts.
BT50 year 06-11 total is 48839 vehicles and 100 thefts.

And to satisfy our Troll on the forum: Tesla has just made it onto the statistics with 1049 vehicles in total ;-) Bentley Continental is beating it with 1320 vehicles.

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But in my first comment, I mentioned that that number (82k) only represents 1/3 of the original number that were sold (which was about 250k). 33% is not a particularly high figure. Look at how many 1997-2002 Toyota Camrys/Vientas are still registered - over 120,000. About 170,000 of those models were sold, meaning 70% are still on the road.
And like I said ... The AU critics will be out in force as usual of course. So be it. Just how it is. A cross us AU owners must bear .

Our little town has 800 or so people .. I know of at least 8-9 local AU's still driven daily here . Honestly can't recall a single Camry of similar vintage here and I'm not kidding .

Based on those figures I was surprised that so many FG's given that the older ones are 11 or so years old and not too many built in reality are registered . That's pretty good too . Got one of them also .

Appreciate the purpose of this thread , it's interesting and worthwhile but there are also a few variables to consider given this is based on sedans only . A big component of Falcons , not least the AU was the station wagon and commercial utilities and sports utes such as the XR6 and XR8 . Same could be said for Camry station wagons too I suppose and Commodores etc. Don't know if the numbers would change a lot if ALL variants were included ..

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the venerable HQ holden which was once regarded as the most dependable and prolific aussie icon on 4 wheels.
And didn't use any electronic crap.

Its a shame this stuff is the reason a lot of good modern steel ends up as scrap now.
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No, it includes wagons as well. Where are you seeing that it's sedan only?
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No, it includes wagons as well. Where are you seeing that it's sedan only?
happy 1's post (number 15)..I was going by that mention ..Sorry if that's incorrect though ..
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happy 1's post (number 15)..I was going by that mention ..Sorry if that's incorrect though ..
I just don't see anything on that site which would indicate it's sedans only. Looking at only sedans makes no sense.

Anyway, I was thinking about the reasons why such a low percentage of Commodores and Falcons from the 1990s remain. Obviously many of these were sold to fleet buyers, who racked up high km, but they turned them over after 2-3 years. Many were bought by country buyers, who again, do more km than average (but isn't long distance driving better on the engine?). What about the popularity of second hand ones with P platers (or low income earners), who usually don't bother with servicing/roadworthy type stuff?
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Sorry, that was just laziness from my side to not look up and list the light commercial vehicles that are also in the statistics.

I would assume wagons are part of the passenger vehicle numbers, since not listed separately.
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According to these statistics: (sedan only)

Falcon EB: Total of 2318 vehicles licensed.
Falcon ED: Total of 5279 vehicles licensed.
Falcon EL: Total of 21518 vehicles licensed.
Falcon AU: Total of 82412 vehicles licensed.
Falcon BA: Total of 119102 vehicles licensed. (not incl. FPV)
Falcon BF: Total of 71011vehicles licensed. (not incl. FPV)
Falcon FG: Total of 105190 vehicles licensed. (not incl. FPV)
Falcon FGX: Total of 8449 vehicles licensed.

I was surprised to see so many AU and BA models still with plates on them. It probably would be these models that have the highest scrapping rates at the moment.

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MR Z...As I said , this is what I was referring to ..... Right at the top it says "According to these statistics :(sedan only) . I didn't make it up . I'm just assuming that post is correct . Had no reason to doubt happy 1.
I say again too ..If that is wrong I am sorry . . Why do you think I mentioned the Station wagon and ute stuff otherwise ?

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I wonder what percentage of the early falcons were taxis, as I remember back then before Prius ect , majority of taxis were falcons.
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I wonder what percentage of the early falcons were taxis, as I remember back then before Prius ect , majority of taxis were falcons.
To the uninitiated that was an insult . To those in the know the reason taxi's , cop cars , emergency services , hire cars , company rep cars and so on were more often than not Falcons . Reliability is the key reason . Down time costs money and even lives . Falcon had that covered in spades . So did Commodores .

Plenty of Falcon taxis saw huge odometer readings without major failures . Falcon fleet sales were a staple for Ford for years .

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Today I've been driving approx. 150 km along the Perth freeway and Reid highway. I was spotting for older cars, but I didn't see as much as one Falcon AU or any other older Fords. Also didn't see many other cars age 10+ years either. (Saw a few Camry from the 90s that was all).

I take it that owners of old cars don't drive far, don't drive on freeways on Saturdays, or don't live near Perth CBD and western suburbs.
I think many of the older cars are perhaps car #2 and are doing short distances, or perhaps are in more remote areas.

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