FPV GT to be killed off early

[DABOSS]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Be great to see the Falcon name plate on the GT!

Cannot see them R & D'ing crate engine for such a short time?

And if they did it'd be like the movie " gung ho "

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Latest talk is the XR8 will have an NA crate motor. Don't know if that still means the GS will continue with the SC motor or not.

Is this correct? I may likely be purchasing a GT within the next 2 weeks if this is true .

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Yeah, the irony isn't lost on me or many others I reckon.

BUT as noted by someone above LSA won't make much of a premium, (if any), on what a SC Coyote makes.
Here's the 415 KW version of the LSA in a Cadillac CTS-V that couldn't even make 300 rwkw's on a Mainline dyno in Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0fqU8X4Atc
Even after a tune it only made 308 rwkw's
So if we see similar driveline tranmission losses in the HSV GTS their claimed 430 fwkw version of the LSA will translate to about 310 rwkw's on a Mainline dyno.

I've got a funny feeling I know a car that makes about the same power stock

I really hope GT-R spec remains the fastest car produced in Australia. sick of all me holden mates going on about the GTS claiming that it has 435kw but yet cant come up with an answer when I say "how much will it produce at the wheels??" cant argue with em so I don't bother anymore

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Is this correct? I may likely be purchasing a GT within the next 2 weeks if this is true .

wait till aug 13 too confirm. I think we are all upset about the possibility of them not having a GT etc but we havent heard from ford yet. I really hope the GT or at least the Miami V8 will be available for the FH. the current GT is the car that make me "want one". I love that supercharged whine they have!!!

[rancidpunx]

Originally Posted by Rodge

BUT as noted by someone above LSA won't make much of a premium, (if any), on what a SC Coyote makes.
Here's the 415 KW version of the LSA in a Cadillac CTS-V that couldn't even make 300 rwkw's on a Mainline dyno in Australia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0fqU8X4Atc
Even after a tune it only made 308 rwkw's
So if we see similar driveline tranmission losses in the HSV GTS their claimed 430 fwkw version of the LSA will translate to about 310 rwkw's on a Mainline dyno.

I've got a funny feeling I know a car that makes about the same power stock

They wouldn't be that stupid would they? To go through all that effort and still only just compete with the Coyote. Its got over 100nm more torque and "comfortably" under 4.5s to 100 apparently. I think we are kidding ourselves if we think the LSA motor is going to turn out to be a dud in the GTS. I am expecting to see 500hp being delivered to the wheels unfortunately. I would also not be surprised if the General has not fiddled with the tunes in all the V8s across the VF range to play catch up, but not changed the badging. we all saw the SS drag race against the turbo 6 and there are private ones hitting rollers making comfortably more than the VE's ever did.
I would love to be wrong though.

[jpd80]

Go back a step, which vehicles will HSV be using the LSA in?

If the LSA is restricted to GTS only then perhaps that knocks out a lot of potential buyers

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Go back a step, which vehicles will HSV be using the LSA in? If the LSA is restricted to GTS only then perhaps that knocks out a lot of potential buyers

Yeah its only the one model in the range and I think the so called 340 KW SV package in the other models will be lucky to dyno up at more than about 275 rwkw's and will be pretty tame compared to a SC Coyote.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Latest talk is the XR8 will have an NA crate motor. Don't know if that still means the GS will continue with the SC motor or not.

Whatever is the lowest cost option to Fraud, opps sorry Ford, will be what they use, this thing is run by cost accountants now.

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

They wouldn't be that stupid would they?

With the longer stroke of the LSA it will have more torque than a SC FPV but the jury is out on how much more power. If that dyno result is anything to go by there's not much to worry about. GTS is very expensive and consumables such as for those V8 supercar sized brakes will be off the charts compared to anything we've seen before. Not everyone wants a car that horrendously expensive to buy and maintain.

[tex]

But Holden at least recognise the importance in maintaining availability of a "halo" model designation. Aspirational car with aspirational hardware and inclusions has more brand benefit than margin alone. Something ford au has struggled with for a long time.

Reverse engineering a GT must surely be evidence of that.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by tex

But Holden at least recognise the importance in maintaining availability of a "halo" model designation. Aspirational car with aspirational hardware and inclusions has more brand benefit than margin alone. Something ford au has struggled with for a long time.

Reverse engineering a GT must surely be evidence of that.

Reverse engineering

[Anchor]

Lol, I love reading these speculation threads of a morning. Really makes my day. Keep it up guys!

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Lol, I love reading these speculation threads of a morning. Really makes my day. Keep it up guys!

Just like all those speculative threads that FPV / Prodrive were being sold and premises shutdown and that all the HiPo models were going to be built back at Broady ............

If FoA dont have the balls to come on here and temper our discussion with some facts and "guidance" on the state of affairs.......then speculate and ponder we will......August 13 is a hell of a long way away.....lots of passionate members on here like to "talk" ......and so far.........what i have read on here makes perfect and logical business sense. Do you have something to the contrary.......?

[GTP-814]

here we go again, but at least the V8 wont be dropped this time around.

The US has plenty of great HP Mustang Tuning Houses. Lets hope one affiliates themselves with Fords AU so we have a marketing brand to sit behind
Maybe someone with Nascar Mustang experience to be the V8Supercar team

[CAT600]

Rob Herrod has already been taking steps to align himself with Roush, I assume he knows what is coming with the contacts he has so he is setting his position ready to hit the ground running with Mustang/Taurus/Fusion whatever comes our way

Daniel

[GT014]

You would really think Ford would make some comment about this if it wasn't true, at least a simple 'no the fpv gt will continue until 2016'

There silence makes me believe its true. Guess we will have to wait until,Aug 13.

Any one know if they are going to show the 2014 Falcon at this event?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Lol, I love reading these speculation threads of a morning. Really makes my day. Keep it up guys!

Is this the last link in the chain laughing at info closer to the source?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Latest talk is the XR8 will have an NA crate motor. Don't know if that still means the GS will continue with the SC motor or not.

As much as I want this to happen, and know where you sit, I just cant see it.

IF it does go ahead it only reconfirms the people running the show have completely lost the plot, another good idea 3-4 years to late.

[Grunter]

Originally Posted by Sinead Phipps

We want to thank you for your advocacy and the support and loyalty you’ve shown to the blue oval.

I guess we should have taken that post, as a final message to loyal fans/supporters here, from Ford.

Not a shot personally at who I quoted above (from the "Closure" thread), but as per Tex's post, but I'm finding it hard to think/say anything positive about FoA atm. Especially given the information void.

But FoA owes us nothing. It’s obvious Ford senior management only care about this site and its members, when it suits whatever the latest line they are pushing. There's no passion, nor any care towards this site and the many members. Which is at complete odds with those here that are fans, and for the most part have an emotional attachment to FoA and/or the Ford vehicle owned. But FoA is a business, so it’s ok to drop kick the fans. Right? We have no commercial value obviously.

However, I wonder how many members on this site, apart from private buyers, are decision makers for their business needs in a med/small business? I know I’ve had the choice to, and have supported Ford over many years, with Ford supplied vehicles that have suited the business needs of my staff, (and separately my own).

As a fan, I choose to buy Ford, because of my support of the “Ford culture” (history, this site, car clubs, etc.).
As a business owner I’ve chosen Ford’s because whatever type of vehicles I’ve been after, they have had a good range to choose from to suit, AND importantly because I’m a Ford fan!

Now, I see Ford are not supportive to members here, but perhaps they are ignoring the fact that there are people here, that are decision makers, and by ignoring them, they are ignoring the people they want to sell whatever future Ford range there is going to be.

This is purely a PR issue that even if they cannot answer specific questions, what value to send through a few words whenever there’s news like this in the media? Chances are they may not be able to give an answer, but they don’t need to. Just give the impression there is care there and you’ll hold the support of a lot of people. Don’t and well, FoA may well lose possible future purchases, not because of the vehicles (which for the most part of great) but purely because of the poor way PR continues to be handled, not just here, but in the media.

[Dr Smith]

I also wonder how much is being controlled out of the US. Eg, wasn't it the US that stopped Ford Oz talking about any involvement in the next Mustang. Could you imagine what Holden would be sending out to it's favoured press if it was designing the towbar mount on the next Chevy?

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by Grunter

Now, I see Ford are not supportive to members here, but perhaps they are ignoring the fact that there are people here, that are decision makers, and by ignoring them, they are ignoring the people they want to sell whatever future Ford range there is going to be.

Agreed.
I've been close to buying an R-SPEC a few times over the last few months, but each time there is something niggling at me and to be honest, I think the "something" is the distinct feeling the FMC of A lost all Australian influence and direction a few years ago, and has become, for want of a better terms, a stooge to globalisation.

Not that I'm against globalization. You have to adapt to survive, end of story.

However, the motivation that kept me buying what at times, were inferior products, and ensured I was a brand advocate, and a free advertising platform for FMC of A for many years, were rooted in Australian experiences. My first clear memories were of Dick Johnson's Tru Blu XD, my first and greatest motoring love and big spend was on an XW GT, an XY GT and I've has AU XR8's etc as company cars.

I've invested years in GT clubs, organised bloody big events and functions, attended FPV open days (which is now closed) to raise money, provided my car to celebrate the anniversary day of the Ford Discovery Centre (which is now closed) and a million other things to support the blue oval over the years. And that was done because the product you supported was local, and you could have a tangible input to that vehicle, and therefore it was worth the effort.

But to be honest, Ford dosnt have much to offer anymore. If its to become an import only business, then it has to compete on that playing field for my $. The Mustang will have to stack up against every other competitor in that price point come sales time. There is no more home grown advantage, no more extenuating circumstances to influence my buying decision.

When it comes to buying my next toy, its dog eat dog I'm afraid. That's the business model Ford US wants us to accept, so that's the business model I will adopt. So fingers crossed Ford has a better product than HSV, SRT, Porsche, Merc , Jag and a host of others.

/end rante

[DABOSS]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Rob Herrod has already been taking steps to align himself with Roush, I assume he knows what is coming with the contacts he has so he is setting his position ready to hit the ground running with Mustang/Taurus/Fusion whatever comes our way

Daniel

Great another monopoly

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by DABOSS

Great another monopoly

Not unless he gets in with Shelby, Ford Racing, Saleen and American Muscle as well!

I for one hope the Mustang is good value here because there's always been a lot of aftermarket support for it with a number of options.

[WPR1]

Sorry to see the GT Falcon go but I think the Mustang will fill the performance slot very well.

This will only happen if Ford get behind and support the Mustang better locally than they did FPV and the GT.

I feel it essential as part of the marketing push Ford use the Mustang for V8 Supercar racing. Without the new Ford hero car competing in our local top motor racing category it may as well be advertised as a hairdressers car.

I'm looking forward to it if they do it well.

[stockFPV6]

Hopping on the end of this thread but has anybody seen the latest wheels magazine

the coyotee motor will be second in charge of the mustang apperently

EXXXXCELENT

[stockFPV6]

Originally Posted by WPR1

Sorry to see the GT Falcon go but I think the Mustang will fill the performance slot very well.

This will only happen if Ford get behind and support the Mustang better locally than they did FPV and the GT.

I feel it essential as part of the marketing push Ford use the Mustang for V8 Supercar racing. Without the new Ford hero car competing in our local top motor racing category it may as well be advertised as a hairdressers car.

I'm looking forward to it if they do it well.

I dont know that V8 super cars or should I say I dont feel that the V8 super cars represent the ford as well as it should or even holden for thats matter

I mean what ever happened to race on sunday sell on monday other then the shape nothing represents those cars that how I feel any way

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by stockFPV6

Hopping on the end of this thread but has anybody seen the latest wheels magazine

the coyotee motor will be second in charge of the mustang apperently

EXXXXCELENT

You do realise mustang has had the coyote for a number of years now don't you?

[stockFPV6]

A 5.4 though is that correct

[nstg8a]

Nope 5.0.

[stockFPV6]

Not the 2013 GT500 5.8 supercharge top shelf lol

[stockFPV6]

5.0 but no super charger

[darkside]

not sure if its been mentioned but no falcon .....does that mean we are to lose the falcon ute as well?? never mind the v8 super pursuite which is duobbbley sad ...guess if thats so then the ute racing will do to the dodo as well...bigger loss than the current v8 s/car .....doc