TURBO I6 or V8?

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by RS027

Sorry the 5.4 sound impressive on paper... quad cams, 290kw's and the rest. However the "over square" bore x stroke, lack of revs, top heavy placement in the BA/BF... no thanks. Love the sound, but typhoon's T-I6 all the way thanks.

Whats with this over square stuff,Ive heard it mentioned a few times,how would it even make a difference? cube for cube?

[mcnews]

Always been a V8 man but found the Ford V8 really lacking down low/middle and for ME after driving the Turbo 6 it was a no brainer decision.

[jimmy_c]

im an I6 > V8 convert

if you want good power and that audio orgasm go the v8. if you want cheep power go the i6T

[XR8-260]

This topic is bound to cause many a pub argument... :

[Wally]

wrong post

[walker]

well if you think about it like this, if turbos are faster then why are the top fuel drag cars all V8's

[dansedgli]

Originally Posted by walker

well if you think about it like this, if turbos are faster then why are the top fuel drag cars all V8's

Or if you think about it like this, why arent there any turbo's in the V8 supercars? Thats because turbos are crap.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by walker

well if you think about it like this, if turbos are faster then why are the top fuel drag cars all V8's

That's because V8s are king. :sm_headba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEn0I...elated&search=

This is why people fall in love, with V8s.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by Ryan

That's because V8s are king. :sm_headba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEn0I...elated&search=

This is why people fall in love, with V8s.

There actually blower cams and have since been replaced with a smaller cam, sounds sick tho. Not bad power for a 3v either.

[FalconXR6]

You can't compare V8 and I6. You just can't.

Chalk and cheese.

However, my prefernce lies with the 4.0 litre. Just a brilliant motor with grunt all over the dial. Best Aussie made engine ever IMO.

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by dansedgli

Or if you think about it like this, why arent there any turbo's in the V8 supercars? Thats because turbos are crap.

Wow, I'm sold by that compelling argument. Pure genius. :

[DEVL-XR]

when i think of turbos i think of Jap Crap! i know its not all ways the case as the XR6T and the Typhoon etc are great cars and no where near being ricers. its just an image thats in my head, like fast and the furious crap.

so for me i gotta be the big aussie block with a V8, not that i own one but i hope to one day! you simply CANNOT beat the sound of a V8, i dont care what anyone says because its so so true! plus the mussle of a V8 is second to none!

[Cooper69S]

Originally Posted by dansedgli

Or if you think about it like this, why arent there any turbo's in the V8 supercars? Thats because turbos are crap.

the removal of turbos from the ATCC had nothing to do with them being inferior, more to do with the fact that the v8s of the time couldn't catch them so rather than let the series turn into an imitation european or japanese touring car series, they changed the format - seems to have worked ok...

nothing wrong with turbos though, one or two on my v8 would be nice...

[banarcus]

Personal preference is V8. The 8 cylinder symphony and that magic induction roar of a 5.4. The turbo may go faster, quicker cheaper to run etc so they have their place and I wont knock anyone who has one nor will I bag the XR6T or Typhoon.

[gozza]

I like 4's 6's 8's Rotaries. Turbo's

If the car has had love and time put into i'll admire it for what its worth

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by gozza

I like 4's 6's 8's Rotaries. Turbo's

If the car has had love and time put into i'll admire it for what its worth

So very true mate.

I have respect for any modded car, but V8s top the list.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by JAYBA

"5g on turbo does 12s"

"5g on v8 still does 14sec"

where did you get that from????

if spent correctly 5g can get a boss into the high 12s...and certainly a lot better than 14s

$400-$600 blue power cai or filter snorkel and power pipe
3-$500 underpulleys
$50-thermostat
$100-tb spacer
got my diphillipo tuned length headers for $550 installed
$1000 flash tuner
$1200 4.11 diff gears
$600 cat back exhaust
$500 custom tune for all the above

total about $4500-$5000
if your boss aint knockin on a high 12's door there is something wrong
and if it takes about 5 g for a turbo to do 12s well then there aint much difference at all.....
not to mention the sound and its still normally aspirated

No one anywhere will get a full defilipo system for $1150 fitted. They are closer to 3grand all up fitted including headers, cats and cat back. That's new, so obviously second hand will be cheaper, but lets compare apples with apples.

As for the diff gears 1200 will get you the gears fitted on a ute only. A sedan would be closer to 2k due to the IRS cradle needing to be dropped as the diff can only come out from the top.

Let me tell you now, it takes a lot less than 5k to get a turbo into the 12s. Typhoons will get there stock. Every other turbo should get very close to a 12 with a custom flash tune. Some even have ran a 12.9 with just a tune.

5 grand on a turbo will get you a Flash tune ($1500), Blueprinted injectors ($300), fuel pump ($150), F6 CAI with filter ($250), Cat ($300), Nizpro Valve springs ($300) and intercooler ($600).

All up for parts and a flash tune is $3,400. I'll be generous here and say that $1500 would cover labour for those above parts fitted. With a combo like that you'd have around 300rwkw and run mid 11's on M/T streets.

[timace]

I6. I've always been a fan of sixes and that they can be sleepers

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by Cobra

No one anywhere will get a full defilipo system for $1150 fitted. They are closer to 3grand all up fitted including headers, cats and cat back. That's new, so obviously second hand will be cheaper, but lets compare apples with apples.

As for the diff gears 1200 will get you the gears fitted on a ute only. A sedan would be closer to 2k due to the IRS cradle needing to be dropped as the diff can only come out from the top.

Let me tell you now, it takes a lot less than 5k to get a turbo into the 12s. Typhoons will get there stock. Every other turbo should get very close to a 12 with a custom flash tune. Some even have ran a 12.9 with just a tune.

5 grand on a turbo will get you a Flash tune ($1500), Blueprinted injectors ($300), fuel pump ($150), F6 CAI with filter ($250), Cat ($300), Nizpro Valve springs ($300) and intercooler ($600).

All up for parts and a flash tune is $3,400. I'll be generous here and say that $1500 would cover labour for those above parts fitted. With a combo like that you'd have around 300rwkw and run mid 11's on M/T streets.

Boss PD blower and custom tune $5,ooo and around 3oorwkw, should be good for a 12 flat with traction.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Boss PD blower and custom tune $5,ooo and around 3oorwkw, should be good for a 12 flat with traction.

Is that the base CAPA blower? $3990 and then you need a custom tune and flash box. We'll say $5,500. And with a stock exhaust and intake I think you'd be very lucky to hit 300rwkw.

If the blowers you're talking about are the ones I'm thinking of, then I havn't heard very good reports on them. From what I've heard they don't provide much down low and need to rev to get anywhere. Lacking low down punch goes against the nature of a supercharger IMO.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Is that the base CAPA blower? $3990 and then you need a custom tune and flash box. We'll say $5,500. And with a stock exhaust and intake I think you'd be very lucky to hit 300rwkw.

If the blowers you're talking about are the ones I'm thinking of, then I havn't heard very good reports on them. From what I've heard they don't provide much down low and need to rev to get anywhere. Lacking low down punch goes against the nature of a supercharger IMO.

Stock intake is a great bit of gear, why do you think no one is posting result's of their after market unit's. Because they don't make stuff all. It'll hit 3oorwkw with the stock exhaust, it actually doesn't flow to bad.

Yes they are, of course they won't provide massive low down power. How does low down grunt go agasint the nature of a s/c and sidemount unit will require rpm to get it to make boost. Remember Bluepower went 1o.9* with one of these little blower's on a stock engine, although he also had a full zorst and a stall.

[dansedgli]

Originally Posted by Deadman

Wow, I'm sold by that compelling argument. Pure genius. :

Sarcasm is lost on the intehnet.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Stock intake is a great bit of gear, why do you think no one is posting result's of their after market unit's. Because they don't make stuff all. It'll hit 3oorwkw with the stock exhaust, it actually doesn't flow to bad.

Yes they are, of course they won't provide massive low down power. How does low down grunt go agasint the nature of a s/c and sidemount unit will require rpm to get it to make boost. Remember Bluepower went 1o.9* with one of these little blower's on a stock engine, although he also had a full zorst and a stall.

Stock plenums flow very well I agree with you there mate! It's the airboxes that don't flow all that well but you ditch them anyway. What's the stock exhaust? Twin 2.25"? The turbo guys can run 280rwkw before the stock ehxaust catback provides any restriction. Don't see why this would be different on the boss. I'ts just the headers I'd be worried about as they seem small with primitive press bends.

[Falc'man]

I love the turbo, heaps of fun, but can't go passed a BOSS for that hair-raising scream. So it gets my vote, only just.

[JAYBA]

Originally Posted by Cobra

No one anywhere will get a full defilipo system for $1150 fitted. They are closer to 3grand all up fitted including headers, cats and cat back. That's new, so obviously second hand will be cheaper, but lets compare apples with apples.

As for the diff gears 1200 will get you the gears fitted on a ute only. A sedan would be closer to 2k due to the IRS cradle needing to be dropped as the diff can only come out from the top.

Let me tell you now, it takes a lot less than 5k to get a turbo into the 12s. Typhoons will get there stock. Every other turbo should get very close to a 12 with a custom flash tune. Some even have ran a 12.9 with just a tune.

5 grand on a turbo will get you a Flash tune ($1500), Blueprinted injectors ($300), fuel pump ($150), F6 CAI with filter ($250), Cat ($300), Nizpro Valve springs ($300) and intercooler ($600).

All up for parts and a flash tune is $3,400. I'll be generous here and say that $1500 would cover labour for those above parts fitted. With a combo like that you'd have around 300rwkw and run mid 11's on M/T streets.

Now"5g on a turbo to do 12s" that was a quote i took from a previous thread of which i was quoting,no doubt spending the money on a turbo gets great results i was stating that spending the money on the right places on a boss can get good results too. i bought all my parts new and had most of them fitted proffesionally and know whats involved and where did i say that the cat back system i was quoted was di phillipo
i have spent less than 5g on my xr8 auto, and priced and paid for all these things new so dont tell me what it costs. and still have standard cat back
exhaust, and run consistent 13 flats on full street trim and tyres with 2.1-2.2 6o's, so mid to high twelves with slicks/mt's, not 14's as previously said

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by JAYBA

Now"5g on a turbo to do 12s" that was a quote i took from a previous thread of which i was quoting,no doubt spending the money on a turbo gets great results i was stating that spending the money on the right places on a boss can get good results too. i bought all my parts new and had most of them fitted proffesionally and know whats involved and where did i say that the cat back system i was quoted was di phillipo
i have spent less than 5g on my xr8 auto, and priced and paid for all these things new so dont tell me what it costs. and still have standard cat back
exhaust, and run consistent 13 flats on full street trim and tyres with 2.1-2.2 6o's, so mid to high twelves with slicks/mt's, not 14's as previously said

There's a tune only BF GT running 13.2's, not bad for a stock Boss.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

There's a tune only BF GT running 13.2's, not bad for a stock Boss.

And theres filter only F6's running 12.7s. Not bad for stock Phoons. And a lot better base to start from. Don't get me wrong I love the BOSS but from my experiences I just can't pass up a turbo for performance and BFYB.

[jabba]

Originally Posted by Cobra

And theres filter only F6's running 12.7s. Not bad for stock Phoons. And a lot better base to start from. Don't get me wrong I love the BOSS but from my experiences I just can't pass up a turbo for performance and BFYB.

Both are running in different states(GT in QLD and F6 in Vic) And grant it that the GT ran it's time in Summer and in QLD "The home of humidity" and the F6 in winter, in Vic "best air around". I would then put them both square with each other....

If you are going to make comparaisons, do it by comparing them on the same track, same day. Other wise your trying to compare Apples with oranges... I am not 100% positive, But I think the Phoon had the ecu tickled when it ran 12.7.... I am sure Spoolman will be able to correct me if I am wrong....

[FalconXR6]

FACT: XR6 Turbo is faster than XR8 (same driver, same conditions, etc)

FACT: F6 Typhoon is faster than a GT (same driver, same conditions, etc)

FACT: Ford has always (with the exception of AUII and AUIII) built 6's that are as fast or (in most cases) faster than it's V8's and even David Flint (and various other Ford execs who have been interviewed) have admitted this.

FACT: V8's have a nicer ambience and a better feel than an I6. V8's make you feel like your dick is at least twice it's regular size when you are driving one.

FACT: V8's sound better than I6's (unless your talking the I6T, then it's down to prefference because the I6T sounds friggin horn!)

FACT: Getting, say, 300rwkw will be less costly with an I6T than it would be with a V8.

FACT: You can get a V8 nut to admit (mid arguement, mind you) that a 90's XR6 is quicker than an XR8 or SS Commodore of the same era.

FACT: Seinfeld is, without doubt, the BEST comedy EVER!

FACT: You can not compare V8 and I6 and end up with a clear winner!

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by FalconXR6

FACT: XR6 Turbo is faster than XR8 (same driver, same conditions, etc)

FACT: F6 Typhoon is faster than a GT (same driver, same conditions, etc)

FACT: Ford has always (with the exception of AUII and AUIII) built 6's that are as fast or (in most cases) faster than it's V8's and even David Flint (and various other Ford execs who have been interviewed) have admitted this.

FACT: V8's have a nicer ambience and a better feel than an I6. V8's make you feel like your dick is at least twice it's regular size when you are driving one.

FACT: V8's sound better than I6's (unless your talking the I6T, then it's down to prefference because the I6T sounds friggin horn!)

FACT: Getting, say, 300rwkw will be less costly with an I6T than it would be with a V8.

FACT: You can get a V8 nut to admit (mid arguement, mind you) that a 90's XR6 is quicker than an XR8 or SS Commodore of the same era.

FACT: Seinfeld is, without doubt, the BEST comedy EVER!

FACT: You can not compare V8 and I6 and end up with a clear winner!

I agree with everything except that the V8s were faster than the 6s from EL2 onwards. My AU XR8 ran a mid 14 second quarter with just a K&N panel filter, straight thru mufflers and a shift kit.