FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread - Page 150

Callum31 · 24-06-2014, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

And what year are you living in here ?.

Do you really think Ford should make and market car's as if it were yesteryear >

VZTRT hit the nail on the head, the XR become the price point to where people preferred to shop over the base model.

Whatever year I seem to be 'living' here is not relevant.

What I'm basing on is how much the Australian and global car market has changed so much since. Preferring more plastic, more tech and a more 'sportier' or 'premium' look. My FG MKII XT looks really classy for a base model and gets alot of compliments. I'll only be getting the XR6 Turbo as it's something more unique with alot of power, but still drive my XT as the everyday family car as it fits the bill perfectly.

**Polyal** · 24-06-2014, 01:03 PM

Why would you buy a XT or a XR when they are priced pretty much the same..make the XT cheaper and it might have a better chance.

Callum31 · 24-06-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Why would you buy a XT or a XR when they are priced pretty much the same..make the XT cheaper and it might have a better chance.

You can get extremely cheap XT's, dealers will sell them extremely cheap, got mine with 5,000 on the clock for $30,000 a year ago, with mud flaps, matts, etc, window tint, paint protector, etc etc. I know some who would drive an XT over a XR due to the rough lower rolling resistant tires giving a more firmer ride.

Cashie · 24-06-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

You can get extremely cheap XT's, dealers will sell them extremely cheap, got mine with 5,000 on the clock for $30,000 a year ago, with mud flaps, matts, etc, window tint, paint protector, etc etc. I know some who would drive an XT over a XR due to the rough lower rolling resistant tires giving a more firmer ride.

Mate each to his own, the market has spoken, almost no one wants to pay XT money for what they got. Even the hire car companies realised buying XR6s was a fair smarter choice for resale prospects.
Today's buyers generally have a decent car buying budget and they want to get value and some class for their money. The FG has sadly been allowed to age to a point that few buyers are attracted to it.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 24-06-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

I know some who would drive an XT over a XR due to the rough lower rolling resistant tires giving a more firmer ride.

Sorry i had to have a laugh at that. My Dad's LW Focus Sport rides a lot harder than my FG2 Turbo, so does my Rio. Dad's Focus has 17's, my XR has 19's. 16's on a modern Falcon is fine if you don't like a car to handle. The people you know who would prefer a base-spec car over something with a bit of excitement must be the only people left who are propping up XT sales. Also, my XRT was only a few grand more than that which makes/made the XT bad value to me.

buggo · 24-06-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

You can get extremely cheap XT's, dealers will sell them extremely cheap, got mine with 5,000 on the clock for $30,000 a year ago, with mud flaps, matts, etc, window tint, paint protector, etc etc. I know some who would drive an XT over a XR due to the rough lower rolling resistant tires giving a more firmer ride.

There's brand new XR6's on Carsales for $30,500 drive away - with 0km on the clock. And surely you aren't listing mud flaps as a featured selling point?

Cashie · 24-06-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by buggo

There's brand new XR6's on Carsales for $30,500 drive away - with 0km on the clock. And surely you aren't listing mud flaps as a featured selling point?

I thought the same thing, and dealer paint protection must be worth something..not.

**DFB FGXR6** · 24-06-2014, 02:06 PM

Late in the BF MK II run, then the FG, Ford focused their efforts to position the XR6 as their fleet favourite at the expense of the XT. The added desirability and features of the XR was an attempt to give large fleets better value and try to improve resale value at the end of the lease. Most 'families' didn't 'choose' an XT/Forte/Gli, it was usually the car their employer supplied, now that car is a XR6 (if the fleet is still Falcon based that is)

Cashie · 24-06-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Late in the BF MK II run, then the FG, Ford focused their efforts to position the XR6 as their fleet favourite at the expense of the XT. The added desirability and features of the XR was an attempt to give large fleets better value and try to improve resale value at the end of the lease. Most 'families' didn't 'choose' an XT/Forte/Gli, it was usually the car their employer supplied, now that car is a XR6 (if the fleet is still Falcon based that is)

Good points, and the XT had the stigma of being a taxi with many too.

malazn mafia · 24-06-2014, 02:16 PM

XT Turbo or XT Boss 335 would be terrific. Come to think of it, FG xt has all the features an EL Fairmont did, and more: four power windows, climate control, cruise control, CD, electric seats, cup holders. What more could you need

vztrt · 24-06-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

Whatever year I seem to be 'living' here is not relevant.

What I'm basing on is how much the Australian and global car market has changed so much since. Preferring more plastic, more tech and a more 'sportier' or 'premium' look. My FG MKII XT looks really classy for a base model and gets alot of compliments. I'll only be getting the XR6 Turbo as it's something more unique with alot of power, but still drive my XT as the everyday family car as it fits the bill perfectly.

Funny enough the I prefer the XR to the non XR models because the ride on them is much better then the non XR models. The FG XR was a fantastic jump as it didn't shatter your torso when driving on roads but it had nice cornering for a stock car. The non XR models feel like a boat and they're not for me. Then there is my BFII SR with 'luxury sports' which was neither.

The XR ute is set up real well as it rides bumps really well for a leaf sprung vehicle but can actually carry weight (the tyres are whats it getting a higher payload). But then you look at a base model Falcon that can carry 1t but when there is nothing in the back your bouncing all over the place (which is fine if your carrying stuff every day as it drivers better that way).

But you can get a better car for pretty much the same money.....also you cant buy an XT with a manual anymore so the XR as a daily make perfect sense to me.

**Dave R** · 24-06-2014, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

You can get extremely cheap XT's, dealers will sell them extremely cheap, got mine with 5,000 on the clock for $30,000 a year ago, with mud flaps, matts, etc, window tint, paint protector, etc etc. I know some who would drive an XT over a XR due to the rough lower rolling resistant tires giving a more firmer ride.

$30,000 is a typo, surely. You can pick up an XR6 with the same kays for $25k. $30k on a used XT is madness. Your point does stand- you can get XTs very cheap and they're excellent value. But $30k isn't cheap for an XT!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they dropped XT from the FH range.

Vekgib · 24-06-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

$30,000 is a typo, surely. You can pick up an XR6 with the same kays for $25k. $30k on a used XT is madness. Your point does stand- you can get XTs very cheap and they're excellent value. But $30k isn't cheap for an XT!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they dropped XT from the FH range.

http://www.carsales.com.au/bnc/detai...=stock-listing

$42,147 for a new XT. Yikes !

**Dave R** · 24-06-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekgib

http://www.carsales.com.au/bnc/detai...=stock-listing

$42,147 for a new XT. Yikes !

Ouch. Then on the other side of the scale, $23,990 for a demo G6 Ecoboost!

http://www.carsales.com.au/demo/deta.../?Cr=0&sdmvc=1

vztrt · 24-06-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekgib

http://www.carsales.com.au/bnc/detai...=stock-listing

$42,147 for a new XT. Yikes !

Its almost $45k for a new XR6 built in the factory. But haven't seen any sold at that price since 08.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 24-06-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they dropped XT from the FH range.

yeah i've said the same thing, i reckon they'll drop XT and G6 but i could well be wrong!

Dauphin · 24-06-2014, 03:04 PM

XT name should go, always made me think of an grey old computer from the early 1980s.

Callum31 · 24-06-2014, 03:15 PM

The new 2014 Falcon WILL have a base model in the model lineup (XT).
I'm not bagging the XR Falcon's at all as I will soon own one.

But most of you just can't see what I'm getting at, unlike alot of other people.
XT's have a smoother ride on harsher surfaces than the XR models, as the XR's have a more firmer suspension set up as well as the larger wheels and lower rolling resistant tires.

I love all the Falcon's in the lineup, all brilliant but I was just stating the sudden change in Australian buyers tastes that's all.

Can't wait for the new XR Falcon though, I think I'll be put down for a XR6 Turbo.

**GasoLane** · 24-06-2014, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

The new 2014 Falcon WILL have a base model in the model lineup (XT).

You do of course have proof of this statement?

Callum31 · 24-06-2014, 03:24 PM

Adrenaline, 6 pot XT's are dirt cheap, EcoBoost ones? Not so much as where I live there are hardly any for sale, and I saved $10,000. I could get a 6 pot XT for like $20,000 - $30,000. But not an EcoBoost which is what I wanted.

Cashie · 24-06-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum31

The new 2014 Falcon WILL have a base model in the model lineup (XT).
I'm not bagging the XR Falcon's at all as I will soon own one.

But most of you just can't see what I'm getting at, unlike alot of other people.
XT's have a smoother ride on harsher surfaces than the XR models, as the XR's have a more firmer suspension set up as well as the larger wheels and lower rolling resistant tires.

I love all the Falcon's in the lineup, all brilliant but I was just stating the sudden change in Australian buyers tastes that's all.

Can't wait for the new XR Falcon though, I think I'll be put down for a XR6 Turbo.

Doesn't the XT get the low rolling resistant Goodyear Excellence tyres, not the XR6?

spyman03 · 24-06-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

yeah i've said the same thing, i reckon they'll drop XT and G6 but i could well be wrong!

Hey,
What rubbish ppl are peddling ATM are you guys talking badge or spec level

Because the white front pic posted must have fallen on deaf ears

Spyman

Taily · 24-06-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Its almost $45k for a new XR6 built in the factory. But haven't seen any sold at that price since 08.

$33K drive away for a brand spanking new FGII XR6 sedan straight off the Ford website: http://www.ford.com.au/latest-offers/sydney/new-falcon

**Professor Farnsworth** · 24-06-2014, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,
What rubbish ppl are peddling ATM are you guys talking badge or spec level

Because the white front pic posted must have fallen on deaf ears

Spyman

get up on the wrong side of bed? read the end of my sentence too. Nothing is definite until release, you should know that. Might i add you've also been wrong in a few of your posts here and i didn't jump all over you.

Cashie · 24-06-2014, 03:54 PM

I think further consolidating models might be a wise decision for Ford, dump the XT to save a few tooling costs. The G6 would fill this market share for most buyers (already does).

stevefreestyle · 24-06-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,
What rubbish ppl are peddling ATM are you guys talking badge or spec level

Because the white front pic posted must have fallen on deaf ears

Spyman

No...the Pic must have fallen on deaf ...Eyes..

spyman03 · 24-06-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

get up on the wrong side of bed? read the end of my sentence too. Nothing is definite until release, you should know that. Might i add you've also been wrong in a few of your posts here.

Hey,
Very true there but I had only used the first quote I came across and not yours personally

They have to have a base spec it's a must eg: taxi,fleet

And I've been all over the g6 and g6e they wouldn't stamp the headlights with the logo for nothing.....?.....

Spyman

**Professor Farnsworth** · 24-06-2014, 03:59 PM

yeah fair enough no worries

i wasn't all that clear in my post - i think they may can the XT and have the base spec car as the G6, but as far as the naming goes i have no idea

hopefully not long to go before we get a little bit of info from Ford.

spyman03 · 24-06-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

No...the Pic must have fallen on deaf ...Eyes..

On ya it's obvious that you didn't have anything you could quote from a news article to reply......mate

Spyman

spyman03 · 24-06-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

yeah fair enough no worries

i wasn't all that clear in my post - i think they may can the XT and have the base spec car as the G6, but as far as the naming goes i have no idea

hopefully not long to go before we get a little bit of info from Ford.

Hey,
If they were going to cull spec it would be mid spec as the xr6 is the best deal ATM

Spyman