Ford outsells Holden for first time since 1999

[MethodX]

But with an imported Ford.... not the Foulcan.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

And $60k gets you into this beauty.

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Prado is filthy looking too, but mostly because of the DRL they added. If they never added them, it wouldn't have been as bad.

I'm not a Prado fan either. They are ok, but quite plain for the dollars. Like most Toyotas.

[Sabantien]

Taking on prados and hiluxes is a big ask.

You might think toyotas are boring and you might think their reputation for reliability is overstated, but I am pretty sure that a car company with a reputation for reliability is more attractive to people going off road than a company associated with V8s at Bathurst and people doing sick burnouts at the traffic lights.

And while I admit most people buying a 4wd never even see a dirt road, I suspect that they like to think they will kne day.

The Ranger is doing exceedingly well and that will trickle down into other offerings. I think most people are after comfort and technology these days, something fords have lacked. Mondeo definitely changes that and I expect we will see it spreading.

In footy terms, the team is in a rebuilding phase. They're not going to win the premiership this year, but they have just retired a couple old stalwarts and are now looking for the young blood to step up their game, show their potential and become new fan favourites so they can add another trophy in a few years.

Hopefully the rich team down the road who always seems to spend a lot but never breach the salary cap won't go poaching the new stars.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Never knew Ford outsold Holwoo in 1999? Which model did Ford use to top the charts.. Surely wasnt the AU? Festiva Trio on runout special, or Ford Ka? Clearly remember every second car was a VT eggmobile in '99 and every high school kid fantasised about owning a VT Commodore, worshipping VL/VN SS or lusting over Subaru WRX's. No one I knew aspired to own an AU.

According to our figures Ford didn't outsell Holden in April 1999. Total for Ford was 9,278 and Holden was 11,255 while Toyota was 10,285.

Ford Courier 4x2 217
Ford Courier 4x4 201
Ford Econovan C/C 10
Ford Econovan Van 175
Ford Explorer 99
Ford Fairlane 489
Ford Falcon 5238
Ford Falcon Ute 538
Ford Falcon Van 57
Ford Festiva 1237
Ford Laser 650
Ford Louisville 17
Ford LTD 3
Ford Mondeo 99
Ford Trader 6
Ford Transit 218
Ford Transit C/C 24

Indeed, the way we count them now, the 7 trucks and some of the vans would be removed from the passenger total.

Holden Astra 603
Holden Barina 449
Holden Barina Cabrio 3
Holden Caprice 25
Holden Combo 63
Holden Commodore 6205
Holden Commodore Utility 659
Holden Frontera 140
Holden Jackaroo 290
Holden Rodeo 4x2 805
Holden Rodeo 4x4 610
Holden Statesman 172
Holden Suburban 33
Holden Vectra (4 cyl) 608
Holden Vectra V6 120

Cheers
Russ

[russellw]

However, further to the above post, Ford did nearly outsell Holden in January 1999 -

Holden Ford
8,608 8,591 Jan 1999
11,838 10,266 Feb 1999
14,828 12,487 Mar 1999
11,255 9,278 Apr 1999
12,874 11,010 May 1999
14,185 12,857 June 1999
12,600 10,405 July 1999
13,662 9,508 Aug 1999
12,362 10,557 Sep 1999
12,714 9,434 Oct 1999
13,771 11,829 Nov 199
16,610 10,687 Dec 1999

Cheers
Russ

[XWGT]

Love the comments in the news.com.au section
Morons just keep breeding...........

[bonny]

watching

[csv8]

SV6 Storm Wagon $41.990 drive away ...Ford used to have an XR6 wagon,,many moons ago..Those were the days..until Ford lost the plot!!!!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by csv8

SV6 Storm Wagon $41.990 drive away ...Ford used to have an XR6 wagon,,many moons ago..Those were the days..until Ford lost the plot!!!!

No such thing as a Storm anymore... $41 dollars hey??

LOL

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

No such thing as a Storm anymore... $41 dollars hey??

LOL

Ok !! $41,990:00..they are still available. Black Edition was released this week $44,990:00.....After years with Team Blue..look like joining Team Red ...SV6 Sportswagon Storm..Prussian Steel..Demo.$37,990:00 drive away, with 5 year factory warranty, 5 year capped price servicing...sad to say...

[stig_3754]

Originally Posted by csv8

Ok !! $41,990:00..they are still available. Black Edition was released this week $44,990:00.....After years with Team Blue..look like joining Team Red ...SV6 Sportswagon Storm..Prussian Steel..Demo.$37,990:00 drive away, with 5 year factory warranty, 5 year capped price servicing...sad to say...

Great, now you can go to the Holden Forums and remind all the members at the beginning of each month how much Holden would be screwed if it weren't for the Commodore sales keeping them in the top 10 every month.

[csv8]

stig 3754..when you get to the wrong side of 65 you need a wagon, not an suv etc , for frames, wheelchairs and things gran kiddies need!!!!

[janddbone]

At least get a v8 one. The alloytec is utter rubbish.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Its amazing how good the Ranger sells compared to the Everest...

Ford should have a sub 40k Everest starting price.

patience daniel son....

how well did Ranger sell when it first got to market? its taken a few years for them to get to this point.

ford's job is not to sell the most cars, but to sell cars for profit. on recent reports, i think they'd be pretty happy with how things are going.

[Hawkeye84]

Word on the street is that Holden are in trouble.

Dealer networks are packed full of cars they cant move and they are throwing ridiculous amounts of money in marketing and dealer incentives for the market share they are currently at

[CyberWasp]

Who would like to see Nelson from the Simpsons walk into Holden HQ and point at them and go Ha Ha?

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

Word on the street is that Holden are in trouble.

Dealer networks are packed full of cars they cant move and they are throwing ridiculous amounts of money in marketing and dealer incentives for the market share they are currently at

I'm going out on a limb here, but Holden sales have dipped 5% which seems quite within the realms of business ups and downs at least to me.
Fords increase of 18% is quite impressive though even if it is Ranger driven.

[danzvtil]

My Boss just bought and had delivered 4 cruzes for the fleet, he normally takes upto 6 months to make a decision so the dealer can sweat, but did the deal straight away, so keen was holden to do a deal. The holden fleet manager says he cant give em away at the moment.

[russellw]

The graphical stats for April have been uploaded to the Tech portal.

Cheers
Russ

[Mercury Bullet]

Captiva outsells Territory.

Am I reading that right?

[HSVKILLA]

NZ sales for the year so far:

Ford 5247

holden 3859

[PatE]

Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

NZ sales for the year so far:

Ford 5247

holden 3859

Not surprising really. Ford have some great products at the moment, new Mustang, Ford Ranger/Everest, Mondeo, Focus RS etc.

Holden's offerings IMO are not particularly appealing or competitive in the current market, except maybe the Commodore and HSV models. However that's the point, once they cease local production Holden doesn't really have a lot of appeal. Maybe they need to relaunch under GM name and sell US GM products such as Camaro, Corvette, Cadillacs and GMC.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Captiva outsells Territory.

Am I reading that right?

Yes : you can get the MY 16 Captiva LTZ , with diesel nco, 3 years free servicing , a saving of $2500. For : $39,990:00 drive away. good price.!! LTZ now has 7 " Apple Car Play or Android version, heated front seats, leather appointed seats, 8 way electric driver's seat, 19" allloy 235/50 `R19" wheels, Blind Spot Alert, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, 8 speaker audio. We might think the Captiva is crap but Holden have given it value for the money...Most other SUV's with that level of equipment are $45k plus.....

[PatE]

Ford mucked up on the pricing of the Everest. Trying to compete with Prado when it is obviously more a Fortuna/Pajero Sport compeditor ie. 50k to 70k not 70k to 95k.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by PatE

Ford mucked up on the pricing of the Everest. Trying to compete with Prado when it is obviously more a Fortuna/Pajero Sport compeditor ie. 50k to 70k not 70k to 95k.

Be careful !! I said that, and got shot down in flames!!!!!

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by csv8

Yes : you can get the MY 16 Captiva LTZ , with diesel nco, 3 years free servicing , a saving of $2500. For : $39,990:00 drive away. good price.!! LTZ now has 7 " Apple Car Play or Android version, heated front seats, leather appointed seats, 8 way electric driver's seat, 19" allloy 235/50 `R19" wheels, Blind Spot Alert, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, 8 speaker audio. We might think the Captiva is crap but Holden have given it value for the money...Most other SUV's with that level of equipment are $45k plus.....

Don't people do any research before buying cars?
The car is a guiness world record holder LEMON.

I'm not into the SUV scene at all, yet I know the car is a nightmare. How could someone buying it not know?
No wonder the Australian car building industry has fallen over with people making buying choices as bad as that.

[PatE]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Prado is filthy looking too, but mostly because of the DRL they added. If they never added them, it wouldn't have been as bad.

I'm not a Prado fan either. They are ok, but quite plain for the dollars. Like most Toyotas.

I am not a fan of Toyota in general. To me they are a very lazy company that relies almost soley on reputatio to sell their products.

[Bucknaked]

I found interesting that the AU was the last falcon to outsell Commodore. Even the BA couldn't repeat the effort by the mighty AU.

[PatE]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I found interesting that the AU was the last falcon to outsell Commodore. Even the BA couldn't repeat the effort by the mighty AU.

AU out sold the commodore? Wow I thought the AU was the biggest flop to date. Guess even I am wrong sometimes lol

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by PatE

AU out sold the commodore? Wow I thought the AU was the biggest flop to date. Guess even I am wrong sometimes lol

The AU was only a flop in the looks department.
Everywhere else it was and is a great car.