Sequential Shift Direction - Page 2

DDXR6T · 25-03-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shane3

Full manual control, It will not change gears unless you make it, 1st gear 80>85km/h hitting the rev limiter, and about 145km/h in second, but will not change back down to 1st until you are doing 65km/h (this is a pain in the rump on the race track as you get left for dead out of corners)

I actually find the gearing and speed in gears quite good in the falcons. I do alot of spirited hills drives, and the SSS seems to be perfect. Tighter stuff ... simply hold it in first, and the power and torque curve is always there. Faster stuff ... 2nd and 3rd gear do the trick and 4th will break some serious laws

: . The VCT helps alot, If your revving too low, you can really feel the engine go into "aggressive" mode.

The first gear maximum inhibited downshift speed of 65km/h is indeed quite annoying, but its there to stop undue stress on the transmission.

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DOC

??? Kick me if im wrong the gears even if selected will kick down if needed , this is a saftey feature more so that if you need to move in a hurry and the gears are to high it will kick down if booted.

Yep, thats what I said earlier- I have just tried to get it to kickdown into 1st from 2nd- can't be done!

Steffo · 25-03-2006, 12:45 PM

Ford's got it right...

When such cars as the $2.5m, 545kW, 404km/h Porsche Dauer 962 LeMans and $3m, 736kW, 407km/h Bugatti EB 16/4 Veyron use the same methodology for their sequential shift patterns... I think Ford are onto something.

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokkas

Bend over mate, you're about to get a kick.

You must have one of the Irish made auto box's mate :nutsycuck :nutsycuck

In manual mode, the gearbox will not shift down until the engine reaches (appprox) idle. Great for driving in the hills, as when you slow down for the next corner, it won't upshift like most autos, then unpredictably downshift around the corner like most old autos.

Just like a motorbike- pull back with your foot to shift up. Well, sort of. But in terms of co-ordination, it's the same. Ford did well.

I think you misunderstand me- if you are in manual mode and in 4th gear for example, it WILL kickdown to 2nd if you give it a bootful- not sure what revs but I do a ИИИИload of miles and have noticed this regularly.......maybe it isnt meant to but it does!

I will give it a pop and will post the results.

ratter · 25-03-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scottishxc

I think you misunderstand me- if you are in manual mode and in 4th gear for example, it WILL kickdown to 2nd if you give it a bootful- not sure what revs but I do a ИИИИload of miles and have noticed this regularly.......maybe it isnt meant to but it does!

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Mine doesn't

DDXR6T · 25-03-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scottishxc

I think you misunderstand me- if you are in manual mode and in 4th gear for example, it WILL kickdown to 2nd if you give it a bootful- not sure what revs but I do a ИИИИload of miles and have noticed this regularly.......maybe it isnt meant to but it does

It is indeed supposed to do this ... its basically like an emergency kick-down. Uses a few different inputs, judging on throttle position, rev count, wheel speed etc. Come around a corner in 3rd @ 50km/h and give the car and absolute kick in the guts, and it'll drop to 2nd if not 1st provided the ECU senses that the conditions require a lower gear, or that you need a lower gear urgently.

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

Mine doesn't

Give it more on the loud pedal and it will.

ratter · 25-03-2006, 06:36 PM

Mine will drop down to a different gear based on roadspeed not on acceleration input, if I drop below 20 kmh it would drop to 2nd if I drop to 10 kmh it will drop to first, it drops of it own accord on deceleration based on roadspeed,not on accelerator input

DDXR6T · 25-03-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

Mine will drop down to a different gear based on roadspeed not on acceleration input, if I drop below 20 kmh it would drop to 2nd if I drop to 10 kmh it will drop to first, it drops of it own accord on deceleration based on roadspeed,not on accelerator input

It is able to do it ... its just quite hard to get it to do it. Ive done it in my Fairmont Ghia, work's LPG ute and uncles GT and XR8 also does it.

Ill come around a corner and floor it then it will kick down and Ill think im in normal adaptive mode, then a quick glance at the speedo display see's the shift indicator flashing ... basically indicating that the manual shift has been over-ridden.

smally289 · 25-03-2006, 07:04 PM

Umm, dare I say that I would prefer it the other way so that it's the same as the B&M Pro Ratchet in my XY

cArSiK · 25-03-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan635

It is able to do it ... its just quite hard to get it to do it. Ive done it in my Fairmont Ghia, work's LPG ute and uncles GT and XR8 also does it.

Ill come around a corner and floor it then it will kick down and Ill think im in normal adaptive mode, then a quick glance at the speedo display see's the shift indicator flashing ... basically indicating that the manual shift has been over-ridden.

If it does kick down to a lower gear when at WOT , what would the point of SSS be over the AU box and earlier style?

aimzes · 25-03-2006, 07:24 PM

yeah but the only reason the pro ratchet shifts forward for up is because its following the original auto shift patern. am i wrong? its possible. lol.

when your just tapping the shifter back is up, thats how i like it.

WILDTRAKPX2 · 25-03-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

Mine doesn't

I just went for a run and tried to make it kick back... it didn't.

It must need a gutful to make it shift.

cArSiK · 25-03-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shockwave XR8

I just went for a run and tried to make it kick back... it didn't.

It must need a gutful to make it shift.

good , thats how I was hoping they would function.

2kool4u · 25-03-2006, 08:16 PM

Yeah I think they got it the right way around. The other way around would really ИИИИ me off.

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cArSiK

good , thats how I was hoping they would function.

I find that it will do it if I overtake in manual, change back up to 3rd but then need to push harder- I dont know the revs but roadspeed would be around 110kph in 3rd gear.

Suffice to say- it does work but probably not a good idea to have every BA/BF owner dashing out to their cars to test it!!

DOC · 25-03-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cArSiK

If it does kick down to a lower gear when at WOT , what would the point of SSS be over the AU box and earlier style?

I feel more confident with it for one, if i need to bang it up hard i can, with the other one its more about being very careful as you just cant bang into like the SSS all in all a much better option.

From memory the porches are now using them in the carrera cup.

i just wish i had the 6 speed box but happy with the 4.

smally289 · 25-03-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aimzes

yeah but the only reason the pro ratchet shifts forward for up is because its following the original auto shift patern. am i wrong? its possible. lol.

when your just tapping the shifter back is up, thats how i like it.

I could put a reverse pattern valve body in the C10 I guess ......
Forwards to upshift and backwards to downshift just feels right to me tho

X ORSMXR · 25-03-2006, 09:41 PM

l like it the reverse way as it's the old school way.

But thank GOD l don't own an Auto so really l don't care LOL

Matty4 · 25-03-2006, 09:46 PM

I voted that it's the wrong way 'round for the simple reason that after so many years of driving T-Bar auto's, when I wanted to manually change down I had to pull the lever back and when I wanted to change up I pushed the lever forward, following the 1-2-3-4 pattern. This way is now reversed and I find myself constatntly looking at the selector to remind me which way to push/pull.

If I'm not thinking about it and sub-consciously changing I generally get it wrong!!

(I think I'll go and

: as I'm in the minority.....hehe.)

Matty

notty1978 · 25-03-2006, 09:51 PM

After reading everyone who has written in
i still think you should have manual or auto no Sequential Shift
in a auto you have 1st 2nd 3rd 4th then drive
Sequential Shift is the same as hold the auto in 1st to redline then 2nd to redline 3rd to redline and so on........
it is the same you are doing to the Sequential Shift
or am i wrong
i still think it is a waste of time

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by notty1978

After reading everyone who has written in
i still think you should have manual or auto no Sequential Shift
in a auto you have 1st 2nd 3rd 4th then drive
Sequential Shift is the same as hold the auto in 1st to redline then 2nd to redline 3rd to redline and so on........
it is the same you are doing to the Sequential Shift
or am i wrong
i still think it is a waste of time

Sorry Notty- I still don't understand your point! Bear in mind that many Aussie built models (and others) come in auto as standard and dont always offer the choice of a manual box. Even where they do, it is nigh on impossible to find 'em if you are in the 2nd hand market. This is mainly directed towards commodores and falcons.
At the end of the day, an auto with SS is a hell of a lot better than a plain auto.
I have grown up with manual cars (UK) but honestly, with the amount of miles (esp in the city) an auto is the way to go...having SS merely makes it even better.
It is difficult to buy a half decent car of any type that doesnt have the SS (oh, apart from a Holden Commodore!!) By this I'd have to think that people think SS is a bloody good idea but everyone is entitled to their opinion!

If you havent driven a car equipped with it, I'd definately recommend it.

Also, holding an auto in 1st til redline etc with stuff the box- they arent designed to be used as a manual...as I found out the hard way!

Wokkas · 25-03-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scottishxc

I think you misunderstand me- if you are in manual mode and in 4th gear for example, it WILL kickdown to 2nd if you give it a bootful- not sure what revs but I do a ИИИИload of miles and have noticed this regularly.......maybe it isnt meant to but it does!

I will give it a pop and will post the results.

Unless revs drop to idle, the A4 in the BA's is not designed to kick-back- in any gear. FPV's press release also stated this when the BA first came out. I've driven (well...thrashed) many a BA, as one of my mates is dealer principal of one of Adelaide's major Ford dealers. NEVER driven one that kicks back when given a bootfull, unless revs drops too low.

Just do make sure, are we not talking about "adaptive" mode?

Not saying it hasn't happened to people, just saying it certainly isn't designed to in XR6t/8, or FPV vehicles. What would be the point of having "full manual control" if it did?

Ultimate · 25-03-2006, 11:12 PM

Mine kicks up or down sometimes. Not all the time but sometimes

DOC · 25-03-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokkas

What would be the point of having "full manual control" if it did?

Saftey, i think if you read the manual it wil state this ?

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokkas

Unless revs drop to idle, the A4 in the BA's is not designed to kick-back- in any gear. FPV's press release also stated this when the BA first came out. I've driven (well...thrashed) many a BA, as one of my mates is dealer principal of one of Adelaide's major Ford dealers. NEVER driven one that kicks back when given a bootfull, unless revs drops too low.

Just do make sure, are we not talking about "adaptive" mode?

Not saying it hasn't happened to people, just saying it certainly isn't designed to in XR6t/8, or FPV vehicles. What would be the point of having "full manual control" if it did?

From what I can gather from two other statements in this thread, it will do because of a safety precaution. From my experiences, it only does it at high revs when being pushed hard. Obviously it'll change down when the revs are too low.

There are other posts here verifying that it will do it, mine does it, what can I say?
What do you mean Adaptive mode? I might have missed something!

LTDHO · 25-03-2006, 11:22 PM

I don't use it in the Territory because it's backwards. It's the opposite to a standard shift and most other cars.

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DOC

Saftey, i think if you read the manual it wil state this ?

Spot on....manual states the following:

"When driving in manual mode, emergency kickdown allows the transmission to automatically select a lower gear for rapid acceleration in an emergency situation without needing to manually select the gear. The powertrain control module controls kickdown by sensing factors including vehicle speed, accelerator position and selected gear."

Sorry, forget question about adaptive mode too.

Im exhausted now. That should clear it up for everyone.

Wokkas · 25-03-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scottishxc

From what I can gather from two other statements in this thread, it will do because of a safety precaution. From my experiences, it only does it at high revs when being pushed hard. Obviously it'll change down when the revs are too low.

There are other posts here verifying that it will do it, mine does it, what can I say?
What do you mean Adaptive mode? I might have missed something!

Sorry, meant "performance mode", when you just slide it to the left, but don't push up or down. Adaptive mode is when it is left to the right in drive. Sorry for the confusion.

Maybe full manual mode is only for perfomance vehicles? All I know is that mine, and the many XR6t/8's and FPV vehicles certainly don't do it. Certainly not calling anyone a liar, but I have never driven a standard 6 in manual mode.

RAREV8 · 25-03-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wokkas

Sorry, meant "performance mode", when you just slide it to the left, but don't push up or down. Adaptive mode is when it is left to the right in drive. Sorry for the confusion.

Maybe full manual mode is only for perfomance vehicles? All I know is that mine, and the many XR6t/8's and FPV vehicles certainly don't do it. Certainly not calling anyone a liar, but I have never driven a standard 6 in manual mode.

I think that the manual refers to all auto boxes regardless of application- the car manual (book not box!) covers 6 and 8 cyl cars.

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