Petrol Price crisis......

[flappist]

Originally Posted by honer

The Earth cooled 0.7degrees C in the last year.

What was the avearge temperature of Earth every year for the past 500?
Did it stay exactly the same or vary?

Or does that not help your panic attack?

[Carby]

Originally Posted by ivorya

I'll probably get shot but ....... Whether this global warming crap is real, nobody knows, but at least we now have someone in power thats acually looking into the future more then just his time in parlament!

You should be shot - dumbo's like you voted this clown in, fair dinkum how utterly stupid are we agreeing to Kyoto. We generate a poofteenth of emissions compared to say even China and India and now we are going to get taxed to the eyeballs for Carbon emissions so we can get some "new clean technology in place." Now given we generate most of our base energy from Coal (we have heaps) over 80% in fact, and we know that the Labor party won't have a bar of Nuclear energy, do you mnd telling me how the these genuises in Government are going to get new base clean energy? Won't be Hydro ( we got no water) Wind Generation (fuc*en waste of time) and solar.... ummm maybe if we have panels to cover the whole of the NT we'd be right!!

All I know is that we are going to be more highly taxed to become more clean on a process that is undefined......... :

[SB076]

Originally Posted by Carby

.... We generate a poofteenth of emissions compared to say even China and India and now we are going to get taxed to the eyeballs for Carbon emissions so we can get some "new clean technology in place."

I must admit I have no idea how any of our governments expects any industry to operate in a few years time with all the "taxes" imposed on us. Manufacturing is already in an ordinary state as is farming with competition from overseas affecting both - so the governments answer is to further tax (through carbon trading) these industries until they dont exist. Granted that the details of carbon trading have not been released yet, however I cant believe this will be introduced in 2010.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Carby

All I know is that we are going to be more highly taxed to become more clean on a process that is undefined......... :

Fair post and quite reasonable concern. Kyoto = yuck, Howard was quite right not to sign.

(Visit your 'energy supplier' to see much 'talk and preparation' for increased bills to pay for your carbon footprint blah blah blah).

Me? Going solar hot water.....
http://home.search.ebay.com.au/solar...Z1QQsofocusZbs

That TUBE technology, as opposed to traditional 'panel' - any views???

[Fantome]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Fair post and quite reasonable concern. Kyoto = yuck, Howard was quite right not to sign.

(Visit your 'energy supplier' to see much 'talk and preparation' for increased bills to pay for your carbon footprint blah blah blah).

Me? Going solar hot water.....
http://home.search.ebay.com.au/solar...Z1QQsofocusZbs

That TUBE technology, as opposed to traditional 'panel' - any views???

pm sent

[LowEL2XR8]

Originally Posted by ESP

what the hell are we all gonna do when it costs us $120+ to fill up our average large cars and $90.00+ to fill up your average small car.

Well I average about $115 as we speak and have been for the last month or two cause I use Ultimate 98 which is on average 13 cents more than regular unleaded. So its already hitting hard.

[Skotty]

Lucky my new job is as a gas fitter ...

And I want to turbo my EF at these prices.

[Krytox]

Originally Posted by Skotty

Lucky my new job is as a gas fitter ...

And I want to turbo my EF at these prices.

and then what happens to you from 1st July 2011?

[DOC]

This is fords new GP ( Grand Pushy ) in rapid, all you need do is slap a kenne bell on this puppy and your away.

[daniel_rossy]

i think everyone agrees...
basically all my money i earn goes towards petrol because i still go to school if i want to go for a drive down to the shops or go for a cruise.
I new someone would screw up the economy its effecting basically everything.

[Laminge]

does someone know the exact break up of the cost of fuel as we pump it from the servo., ie operator, tax, fuel companies???

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Laminge

does someone know the exact break up of the cost of fuel as we pump it from the servo., ie operator, tax, fuel companies???

As said by JPFS1 from the linked forum post. I have changed the figures to reflect current prices etc:

here's a break down of petrol pricing in $Aus.

AUS/USD = 0.96c (today)
Crude = $US 147 (last night)
Cost of 1L of Crude = 147/159 = US$ 0.925

1L of Crude in AUS$ = 96.2c
Excise = 38.15c (remains a constant)
GST = 13.44c
Petrol station margin ~ = 3c

So total is 150.8c a litre.

According to todays MotorMouth site, the av. price for fuel in Sydney today = $1.644

That's a 13.6c margin back to the oil co.

As you can see, at the moment, the government coffers must be laughing all the way to the bank when you consider they are receiving ~50c per litre in TAX.

And looking back a handful of years lol:

Table 3.1 - Components of the Price of a Litre of Petrol

Component__________Price (cpl)__________Proportion (%)

Refined Petrol__________46__________________47

Excise Tax_____________38__________________39

Retail/Wholesale
margins and Freight______4___________________4

GST___________________9___________________10

Total__________________97__________________100


Source: Caltex Website: www.caltex.com.ay.pricing/pricingex1.html 8 October 2001,

[azaxr8]

to true doc, what she running down the qtr?

[snakeoil]

In the USA both ford and the dark side have launched a campaign to extend the engine oil service intervals on private vehicles away from the traditional US standard of 3000 miles (5,000klms) which is ludricous

In Australia the standard is 15,000 klm and has been for a long while now but I suspect in the future this will be pushed way further

On British cars it's often 25,000km. Absolutely ridiculous.

Maybe it's just the conditioning, but I feel weird not changing oil every 10,000km or 6 months.

[MONSOON]

The big issue is not that it is costing me more to run my car, the big issue is the price of fuel puts the price of everything up, tractors & trucks run on fuel(the more expensive diesel variety), so the price of food will go up, the price of anything that needs to be transported will go up, all the while the fat cats in canberra wack 50c a litre tax on fuel. It's about time this country's leadership came up with a tax system that was fairer, the way it is now those who can least afford it get hit the most, fuel, food, rent... Anybody who thinks ol' mate Rudd is our saviour, just remember how much better things have gotten since he has been in power.

[omn1potent]

Additional Discussions at: - The rising price (and associated costs) of Oil / Petrol Discussion Thread.

[|||]

anyone who thinks the government of a tiny country like ours can affect oil prices - a price determined by the global market - has rocks in their head

[atec77]

Originally Posted by |||

anyone who thinks the government of a tiny country like ours can affect oil prices - a price determined by the global market - has rocks in their head

I must have then , fact is we are able to be sefl sufficient in oil with some expenditures on alternatives but our oil is exported and heavy imported to make certain things including heavy grease , hence we pay massive mark ups on product which can be manufactured without importation . The govco does nothing because every step is taxed , now if we used other reserves and all made an effort the very large saving which has happened since fuel went so high would certainly make us self sufficient apart from a few items mentioned , now ask your self will it happen ?
I don't know but my main transport now is a bio fuelled turbo stinker
I worked out with the amount of bio material the average family produces and some algi it would almost power the family car thus removing the govco's power and destabilising its daily theft and rape of the public.... chooks and a poo digester anyone ?

[ieatsports_cars]

its amazing how one thing can affect so much ! as i keep saying our wages has to go up ! or their will be more strikes more people will leave the work force bacause no one would be able to afford to go to work, why should we sell our cars that we enjoy to drive and why should we sell our houses to live closer to work with world it run by a whole heap of you know what ! while we are working out butts off to earn every cent we can and here are the big nobs doing nothing making our lives hell while they sit on their you know what and make all these crazy decisions ! and they earn you know what and yet we have to pay for them to live and while we are scraping to get by ! they dont care about the little guys they all care about the big guys ! we pay for them to survive we pay taxes to make them to decide to raise up the taxes would like them to see if they could survive on what us little guys are earning ! about time they get a life and stop making us suffer from what we enjoy the most which is family and cars

[davidarthor]

Absolutely!

[snappy]

It is a bit of a whinge but ill contribute anyway. I am a plasterer and fuel is effecting me alot . I now pay $200(somtimes more) a week driving my xr8 and towing a trailer . Also with lack of work need to go further to get it.
But the hard bit is the limited options or lack of good ones.
1.sell the ute for somthing cheaper to run ,very bad resale, an would only save 3-4litres tops per 100k on somthing that would cost 10k+ on my sale price
2. put it on gas 5k for that ,short term fix
3. raise prices, works allready slowing down ,need to reduse costs to get more work
4. work more hours ,interest rates is creating a work shortage,will run out of work quicker
5. lay off a worker ,he's gotta eat to
This is what i did i went for no.2 I booked in for gas . I hope somthing will get better it needs to i am scraping bye but crossing the fingers it does not get much worse. A extra 30c a litre is far from better .

Need to put a sail on the back of the ute .

[Bobman]

LPG - The sensible way of motoring.

Or smelly diesel (if you do a few kms). I've noticed a reduction in some traffic over certain hours of the day, guess that's a good thing though.

A bad effect of high fuel prices is the increase in groceries and the decrease in people spending any money or going out, thus = business downturn. (ie not as many people not dining at restaurants, etc).

Times are tough, that's for sure.

[Darkr]

The Kyoto protocol... Nice one Rudd, how I hate you more every day.

Australia is too big for crap like this.... sigh.

[Krytox]

I swear i saw that bike on Springvale road a few months back!

[J.C.]

Maybe we need to get off our fat ar$es and walk alittle more!

Lets all be realistic about this. Surely everyone knows its about money. I don't know much about these things as I am just a lay man, but the higher the fuel price, the higher the tax revenue. Think the government truely gives a toss about us? Pay up people. Running the country is now become a business seeing who can raise the biggest pile of coin.
I to enjoy going for a cruise just as much as the next car lover. But I haven't taken the TS on the highway since January this year. It's not the daily driver .... I'm also fortunate that I live in a small town where everywhere is only 10 minutes from home, and I commute to and from work via company car.
The wifes dual cab, on the other hand, paying $1.88 a litre for diesel does hurt. Lucky it lasts about a month (120L tank). Here we pay an extra 10c a litre more for fuel then on the coast ... and we are only 180 from a coastal fuel station. You can't tell me it costs that much per litre to get it out here! When you are towing 40000 litres ..... well you do the sums.
I agree, it shouldn't be this way as it will affect the nation as a whole. Tourism industries will die, transport of food etc has to increase. That snowball is starting to build up and gain momentum, and when it stops, it will stop with a hard, sudden bang. Only then will we know the true impact of all this.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by J.C.

Maybe we need to get off our fat ar$es and walk alittle more!

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

[DDXR6T]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

So ... for my 17km journey to work, if i leave at 4am, ill be there on time to start at 8am. Sounds quite viable if you ask me.

Personally, I think I'll be buying a vespa or something (as much as it hurts me to admit). Its slow, its dangerous ... But won't cos me in excess of $110 to fill each week.

[Jorgo85]

Someone sent me an e-mail which could be a load of rubbish but I think it could work. I have noticed for some years that BP seem to dictate the retail price of fuel. The local BP put the price up one day, and the following day the other servos follow suit. And it boggles the mind to see muppets lining up to buy at BP when it's 10c cheaper down the road. The e-mail suggested boycotting BP, therefore forcing them to lower prices to be competitive, and hopefully the other companies would do the same to remain competitive.

More to the point, I too feel that we pay too much tax. Your income is taxed before you get it. Everything you buy with the money left over is taxed. I wonder what the average percentage of our income ends up with the tax man......

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by EFXR65spd

Someone sent me an e-mail which could be a load of rubbish but I think it could work. I have noticed for some years that BP seem to dictate the retail price of fuel. The local BP put the price up one day, and the following day the other servos follow suit. And it boggles the mind to see muppets lining up to buy at BP when it's 10c cheaper down the road. The e-mail suggested boycotting BP, therefore forcing them to lower prices to be competitive, and hopefully the other companies would do the same to remain competitive.

Perhaps things are different in WA but then WGAS, it's WA.

In Sydney, at least, BP means squat. Notice the 200 car queue outside the couple of stations that offer 4c off (not BP, even though you can get a BP Mastercard that gives you 5% off which is double the 4c shopper dockets...) the sheep flock towards Coles and Woolworths inspired petrol stations. It's sad to the point that it's sickening, but the sheep have spoken.

I never realised saving ~$2.50 by sitting in an hour queue is obviously that spiritually fulfilling.