HSV's are getting a weight loss. - Page 2

Fev · 10-10-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

When is the new falc' due in showrooms/test drives to then public?

They should be in showrooms by the end of October. It may be pretty hard to get a test drive as a lot have already been sold

jpd80 · 10-10-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

Holden and HSV are looking for 100, apparently bringing in engineers from a leading euro car maker. I cant imagine that they will get there but the next platform will be a smaller affair. The future for the falcon/torus a smaller affair as well?

Compare the falcon and como to euro equivelant and there is no doubting the fact that they are both fatties!!! Even a 5 Series is sub 1700kg and look at what they cram into that package.....

a 2010 5 series I-6 with Auto transmission is barely 25 Kg lighter than the FG.
And what's more the US fuel economy figures on that engine (16/24 mpg) are
no better than that achieved by the V8 Pontiac G8.

The 5 series also has around 75 mm less shoulder room and rear leg room
and that before we even start on the price of the Bimmer...

irlewy86 · 10-10-2010, 07:22 PM

If Holden can find 100kg of weight saving on an existing platform without something silly like a starfire in the engine bay, I'll eat my hat.

Thats no empty threat, I'll record a youtube clip of me, a dinner plate, knife and fork enjoying a cotton/polyester hat.

4Vman · 10-10-2010, 07:29 PM

I dont know of any automotive company that wouldnt focus on reducing vehicle weights as a principle R+D objective.
For anyone to claim otherwise simply because they didnt come out and directly state it is simply silly.
Holden claiming they're focusing on reducing weight is like them claiming they're trying to sell cars...... Its pointing out the obvious...

290v · 10-10-2010, 08:54 PM

And did you see they are advertising Launch control must be planning a lot of drag racing from the traffic light those Holden boy's

jpd80 · 10-10-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

If Holden can find 100kg of weight saving on an existing platform without something silly like a starfire in the engine bay, I'll eat my hat.

Thats no empty threat, I'll record a youtube clip of me, a dinner plate, knife and fork enjoying a cotton/polyester hat.

This 100 Kg weight loss fairy tale for Zeta had its roots in an idea Holden had for using aluminium bolt on
panels for doors and boot lid. IIRC, the whole idea was scrapped in favor of move onto a lighter platform instead.....

vztrt · 10-10-2010, 11:38 PM

Ford worked on dropping weight on the FG (hence why it only went up very little when it was released). I also believe the AU was lighter then the EL.

Ben73 · 10-10-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

What's a C63 weigh?

1630- 1730kgs

I'm pretty sure all cars will be looking at weight loss, you know to save fuel and the earth.
Except for American cars. They probably don't care. They are probably trying to add weight.

Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ weighs only 1800kgs. And that's a 'luxury' mid-size 4x4 with a V8 engine.
It weighs the same as a Falcon or Commodore sedan. I'm sure Ford and Holden will manage to knock a fair few kgs off their next model.

5.4 GT · 11-10-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

What's a C63 weigh?

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Originally Posted by Ben73

1630- 1730kgs

Yep kerb weight is listed at 1730kg. Quite a little fatty for the size of the car.

FGX-351 · 11-10-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

FFS just because Ford dont publicise what their R+D focuses are doesnt mean they're not doing it..

Just because Holden DO publicise what their R+D focuses are doesn't mean they will do it either. lol :P

Stoney! · 11-10-2010, 02:00 AM

It's always tog-o-war and we all know it here, I just love all the comments that are being shoved out while they still have the chance about it spanking hsv, that is untill their force fed direct injection small block come out...

Stoney!

**Dave R** · 11-10-2010, 02:16 AM

Holden has been saying the Commodore will shed weight since before VE came out, it never happened, in fact their new spate of interior techno crap probably added a bit of weight. Removing weight will cost money and as we all know Holden/HSV are damn near broke.

But let's get serious. Maybe if HSV rip off those goofy vents, spoilers, gills and DRLs they might see a decent weight loss

Bent8 · 11-10-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 5.4 GT

Yep kerb weight is listed at 1730kg. Quite a little fatty for the size of the car.

And that's with a 199kg all-alloy 6.2Litre V8 !!

An E63 AMG (about the same size as a Falcon) weighs in at 1840kg which is pretty much the same as a new HSV GTS or FPV GT...

I don't expect much weight saving being achieved by manufacturers these days, especially when there's so much emphasis being placed on vehicle safety.

The current M3 is a prime example, BMW where really hoping to shave weight with the 4.0Litre V8 being lighter than the outgoing 3.2L straight-six and standard CF roof...it didn't happen, the E92 weighed in at 1655kg.

That's right, a new 2-door M3 is only 50kg lighter than a base model FG !!

Surprisingly, the current M5 weighed the same as their outgoing E39 M5 (5L V8), which isn't bad when you consider their 5L V10 weighs 240kg.

While I do agree the current E-class and 5-series are lighter than our Aussie-made cars, they are also smaller in dimensions.

phillyc · 11-10-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

This 100 Kg weight loss fairy tale for Zeta had its roots in an idea Holden had for using aluminium bolt on
panels for doors and boot lid. IIRC, the whole idea was scrapped in favor of move onto a lighter platform instead.....

The 2009 VF was meant to have plastic composite front guards, roof and bootlid and they were looking at aluminium doors too. Funnily enough the VF is yet to happen and those changes to be made are still not done.

phillyc · 11-10-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

no doubt every car manufacture would like to cut kilos but its not fords focus ATM, for Holden Areo and now weight loss is their prime focus....no more power hikes.

https://media.ford.com/article_displ...ticle_id=31620

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Weight reduction
Ford increasingly uses light-gauge, high-strength steel and lightweight materials such as aluminum and magnesium to meet weight reduction goals ranging from 250 to as much as 750 pounds. In turn, weight savings in body and structural materials allow for the use of smaller-displacement engines and lighter-weight suspensions and chassis components.

Seems pretty clear to me that weight loss strategy is part of their plan. Indeed with Mazda2/Fiesta, Falcon GS/GT and Explorer that it has already started.

irlewy86 · 11-10-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

This 100 Kg weight loss fairy tale for Zeta had its roots in an idea Holden had for using aluminium bolt on
panels for doors and boot lid. IIRC, the whole idea was scrapped in favor of move onto a lighter platform instead.....

And by lighter platform its either a lot smaller or ...... FWD

Quicksand · 11-10-2010, 05:50 PM

Is there actually a link of some sort to this declaration by HSV? I scanned the thread and couldn't find anything.

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

The 2009 VF was meant to have plastic composite front guards, roof and bootlid and they were looking at aluminium doors too. Funnily enough the VF is yet to happen and those changes to be made are still not done.

Looks like VE has been quite an expensive exercise for Holden, maybe the cash to evolve
onto the next weight loss iteration evaporated with G8's $215 million loss...

No doubt Holden will lose weight eventually but I think both Ford and Holden are
doing it tougher than either likes to confess...

flappist · 11-10-2010, 07:08 PM

You guys really don't get it do you......

Up until this month HSV had a HEAVY reputation as being the HEAVY hitter in the Australian sports saloon arena.

Now the new coyote GT has been released that huge burden has been aquired by FPV taking all the WEIGHT of that responsibility.

Some have stated that the new FPV is ugly and not even close to as wonderful as HSV so FPV as a company have taken the moral responsibility to ensure that during any drag race the period of time you can see the FPV is much less than the time you can see the HSV allowing you to drool over its stylish looks as it flounders down the track while the FPV enthusiasts are forced to gather around the FPV vehicle which has already returned to the staging area ready for the next run.....

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 07:14 PM

Nothing good will come of this,
Holden only had to win one race,
the only one that matters in Australia....

and they did that yesterday.....

4Vman · 11-10-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

You guys really don't get it do you......

Up until this month HSV had a HEAVY reputation as being the HEAVY hitter in the Australian sports saloon arena.

Now the new coyote GT has been released that huge burden has been aquired by FPV taking all the WEIGHT of that responsibility.

Some have stated that the new FPV is ugly and not even close to as wonderful as HSV so FPV as a company have taken the moral responsibility to ensure that during any drag race the period of time you can see the FPV is much less than the time you can see the HSV allowing you to drool over its stylish looks as it flounders down the track while the FPV enthusiasts are forced to gather around the FPV vehicle which has already returned to the staging area ready for the next run.....

Well thats a "weight" off my shoulders!!!!

flappist · 11-10-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Nothing good will come of this,
Holden only had to win one race,
the only one that matters in Australia....

and they did that yesterday.....

Really.....

You are aware that the majority of car buyers in Australia think Bathurst used to be a race track or something back the olden days.

4Vman · 11-10-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Nothing good will come of this,
Holden only had to win one race,
the only one that matters in Australia....

and they did that yesterday.....

Yes.. the resale value of VL Terbo's and VN SS's just went through the roof....

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Really.....

You are aware that the majority of car buyers in Australia think Bathurst used to be a race track or something back the olden days.

Race on Sunday, win on Monday.

4Vman · 11-10-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Race on Sunday, win on Monday.

In 1974.......

Anyway back to the imaginary Jenny Craig job at HSV..

Anyone got a specific link to this World leading R+D exclusive?

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 08:14 PM

Holden killed us on the race track and will now slaughter us in the showroom.

FPV were at their pathetic best....

irlewy86 · 11-10-2010, 08:21 PM

Nonsense; Money talks and bulldust walks. The GS and GT will sell.

flappist · 11-10-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Holden killed us on the race track and will now slaughter us in the showroom.

FPV were at their pathetic best....

Ah of course....you are one of the clever ones who think that the Ford V8SCs are actually FPVs and Holden V8SCs are actually HSVs don't you?

Now get back under your bridge, there is a billygoat coming........

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

Nonsense; Money talks and bulldust walks. The GS and GT will sell.

But XR8 won't.....

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Ah of course....you are one of the clever ones who think that the Ford V8SCs are actually FPVs and Holden V8SCs are actually HSVs don't you?

Now get back under your bridge, there is a billygoat coming........

Of course I do because as devil's advocate I'm speaking for the
average bogan who's hero car just supplanted the evil blue nemesis.