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12-09-2016, 03:59 PM | #2 | ||
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FGX would be the only late model falcon without its own original styling though, can't see it being more collectable.
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12-09-2016, 04:33 PM | #3 | ||
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Collectiable Falcon?
Any that had a racing heritage, that was homologated for racing. The obvious being the GTHO P3. However I would suspect the GTHO P2 being more of a collector, it was more raw from all reports. More so, the GTHO IV. The rest? debatable. Later models? ED Sprint may be, but hard to think of any besides the FG F6 maybe.
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12-09-2016, 05:04 PM | #4 | ||
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What about Petrol Turbo Ghia Territory ????
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I think some of the guys really have no idea why the old bangers are so collectible....homologation race cars... Ask yourself why are EB and EL GTs essentially worthless, EB is now 25 years old and worth jack, a fraction of it's 1992 new price. An XY GT in 1996 was worth 3 or 4 times more than it's new price of 1971. See the trend. The other plastic GTs will be worthless too like the EB. FGX will be worth even less...... |
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Totally agree with you on the homologation race car bit, those models will always be worth the most. But also the reason an XY in 1996 was worth so much more was the inflation of the time period - GTHO was $4400 or so in '71, by early 1980s the equivalents top/lux models were blowing out to $12000. (1971 Houses 17K? Av wage 2500-5000? lolol) Then it continued on up... In the early 70's Wheels sold their XYGS302 tester for more than what they purchased it for! As for EB GT, memory recalls about 60K ask price circa 1993, look at FGX Sprints, 25 years later they are cheaper! So we've had deflation in car prices in this time. Accelerated depreciation in used cars. Apples and Apples. But yes the P3GTHO never went down in nominal value if the old stories are true. The money will be in those early models you could race, and in those amazing XA-C coupes. |
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There is no ultimate enthusiasts Falcon. But many varied Falcons are owned by enthusiasts.
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12-09-2016, 05:12 PM | #10 | ||
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The most desirable Falcon to me is the one i own.
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12-09-2016, 05:33 PM | #11 | ||
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just be aware Ford builds rust into Falcons and even FGx's are not immune
my painter just did a claim through Ford for over $10k for rust repairs on an FG Mk11 GTP. my GT has rust, my mates GT has loads of rust. my old AU has so much rust i gave it away. I still love my Falcon anyway and will never sell it
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12-09-2016, 09:15 PM | #12 | ||
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12-09-2016, 09:37 PM | #13 | ||
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Hey Superyob keep an eye on it for me will you, I wont be around in 50 years to know....but some non chrome bumper cars are already collectable.
In 50 years doing chrome will probably be illegal if the tree huggers have anything to do with it....it is not enviro good. So if you have chrome bumpers to do, get them done soon because plastic bumpers will take over in time. sorry to burst your bubble |
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12-09-2016, 10:16 PM | #14 | ||
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Buy it. Drive it. Clean it. ENJOY IT!
Keep the kays down if you want to keep it long term - but why fixate on what it may or may not be worth down the track? I was with my 50th Turbo for awhile. But honestly - I think the days of 'true' collectables are gone. I might be wrong. Or maybe I will be able to choose from a smorgasbord of immaculate, mothballed FGX's in 5-10 years time..... |
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13-09-2016, 09:53 AM | #15 | ||
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The forced induction FPV are the modern day collectables from Ford Australia.
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interesting thoughts here. as a motor dealer I see and deal in a lot of performance stuff, Holden and Ford, what I am seeing is the wholesale price of the cars is not far from the retail price. The cars also don't seem to sell very quickly either. So what does this mean? nothing bar a GTHO or A9X or similar cars are on the collectable list.
There is so many of what I call the bread and butter performance cars, XR6 Turbo, SS Commodore, Clubsport on the market it's killing it. I don't think you are going to see what is or isn't going to be collectable for at least 5 years after Ford and Holden shut down. even then I can really only see a few being the one's people are chasing. F6, sprint, GT-F, GT-Rspec, Clubsport R8, GTS, GTS-R (if it gets built)
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13-09-2016, 11:45 AM | #17 | ||
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I think the FGX is a good car and they've done well however there are a lot more appealing falcons to collectors. Especially the older ones. FPV and the Tickfords I would say will have an even bigger collectable presence already in the newer range models.
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13-09-2016, 03:39 PM | #18 | ||
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What makes a car valuable? - Rarity.
There's a reason why the Phase 4 will forever be the most valuable car ever built in Australia. There's only 3 and we can't have one. Too many Sprints were bought home on transporters to keep the kays down and put straight under covers.
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13-09-2016, 03:50 PM | #19 | ||
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I read in Unique Cars a couple of years ago that old Holdens ie FCs are stagnating on the market due to the people that grew up and desired this era of car are dying off!. Just maybe the kids of today won't want to tinker around with old uncomfortable carburettor cars. Opting for sportier jap coupes or later Falcon and Commodore performance cars with all the mod-cons. All I know is the more Late model performance cars that fall into the hands of young guys and get modified, flogged out or worse written off. The more scarce they will become.
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Want to buy an investment car? I'd be looking for a mint low km early WRX Evo or GTR. Unfortunately in my mind and for Ford lovers the current crop of performance offerings probably won't ever bring mega bucks. They will be valuable, yes but historically it's the hero cars of the era that become collectible. Usually the car that had mass appeal to the younger generation of the time. When they become cashed up middle aged mid life crisis's crooning over days gone by they reach into their pockets and buy a piece of their youth or the dream car they all wanted (just like we are doing).
Don't get me wrong I love my Falcons and Territory, but my son who is 19 and drives a crazy turbo Forester, his heart is in the Forester and similar cars that are relevant to his generation. In 20 years time I can't see him or any of his friends stumping up big bucks for a Falcon. They will want cars relevant to them, not their parents. Besides mine will still be in the shed....
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The FGX's value or collectability factor is being determined and judged by many by what has happened in the past with earlier models.
As it stands, there is no point in even worrying about it now. The FGX's true value, and I don't really mean in a dollar form, will take decades to materialise, just like XY GT's ect are now. Those cars (and other notables over the years) have there point in history, FGX is THE LAST FALCON EVER. I have to say I hate these threads! Round and round and round they go with the my car is better than yours because, because, because......... I love for ALL FALCONS and FPV's, they will all be "collectable" one day as all notable and culturally important cars are. But I hate being told that my cars are worthless because they don't have the right badge or are the wrong model in the eyes of the experts. Both my Falcons hold great value to me, I had the privilege of ordering them from the factory new, I know them inside out and enjoy just knowing they are sitting in my garage waiting for the next drive.
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Bought the XR8 as it starts, has aircon, 5 star safety, uses lots or little fuel depending on the mood of the driver, great bang for buck and it goes like stink. Can't afford an old GT and the XR8 was my last chance to get a Ford V8 that no one else has flogged out. Will it be worth mega bucks in the future.......I could not really care less.
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13-09-2016, 08:18 PM | #23 | ||
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Same same
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People don't often sell eb gts so they must be a great car,the car only has to feel collectable to the buyer and if you are happy with the price you paid then its all good.
When an eb/el gt is nearly 50 years old they may be worth heaps,who knows? My favourite gts are the xr and eb/el,i personally don't class anything after el a real gt because they were not built in very limited numbers making them a regular old car imo. Gts made in the 1000s are not rare. I expect a lot of people to agree with me and not crack major sads lol |
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My point is to grab a fgx whilst you can. It's not about future value, it's about owning a factory Ford forced induction falcon! A supercharged V8!! Or an I6T
In the past, if you missed out on a XY GT you buy an xa GT next year, if you missed out on an EB xr8 you can buy a ed xr8 the next year. Miss out on a bf xr6t, get a FG xr6t next year. but Miss out on a fgx xr6t/XR8/G6ET you won't be able to grab one next year. There is no tomorrow, no more evolution, no more I'll get one next year. The fgx is the best falcon will ever be, it has the exact same fpv supercharged V8 / i6t AND the fgx updates making it best of breed. Sure sync2 is no game changer but the fgx has everything else from fpv AND sync2. Take a moment and think about it, ford are offering a factory forced induction turbo 6 AND Supercharged V8. An enthusiasts dream. But no more from october7. Further, all the immaculate low km FPV supercharged V8s and fgx xr8s will be kept by their owners.(and i6t cars) They won't be trading them in anytime soon. You might find an end of lease battered car in years to come but for the top condition examples they will be weekend cars only. Owners just won't sell them....well maybe if someone over pays.. It's not about future values, it's about actually getting your hands on one of these brilliant machines. BUY NOW before they are gone. Last edited by SprintFg; 13-09-2016 at 10:08 PM. |
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It's a shame the Sprint twins weren't offered in green, like this:
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Slightly off topic a little, but in the same vein...
I heard that the new $5 notes are now hitting the streets...Does this mean we should be keeping some old ones in the hope that they will be worth millions later or are we better off mothballing a couple of hundred new ones? I'm so confused???
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Don't be confused...... I have a special edition 5 dollar coin and yes it's worth almost 6 times its stamped value. It's worth more because it's a special commemorative coin. Example below https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/152171395015 It's kinda like special commemorative cars. They are worth more.
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Sell Sell Sell... Just having a laugh to myself folks - carry on...
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