what E-series ford I6 will beat a VN V6 auto? - Page 5

Full Spectrum · 20-11-2006, 04:22 PM

I'll top that... A brand new Toyota Yaris tried too drag me:P

Ruger · 20-11-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Actally .... Vn,s all have a 3.08 diff ratio. Many Falcons have a far more agressive ratio than that. The problem is... tadaaaa... Falcons weigh 400 kilograms more.
Funny that with all that extra tin they bend just as easily though (when they hit a tree).
Last week i tried my old VN Auto Calais (diff: 3.08:1)against my 99 AU Ghia (diff:3.45:1) and geuss what, the old VN with 250,000 klm on the clock won.
There is a better thing for the really heavy Ghia though. It goes up hills better than the old Calais. So some of it is good. Ford is comfyer as well.

have a peak at the gearbox ratios....

Full Spectrum · 20-11-2006, 04:38 PM

Vp Commo V6

mcflux · 20-11-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EFLAD79

Your quite right, just searched through my desk(mrs gonna kill me shit everywhere now) and found the slip, it was actually 14.953@155.2km/h (which is 97mph, was close to the mark).

Now what would It take to get my EF futura up to this kinda speed? Forced induction would be best yeah?

Luke

Erm, 97mph is still rather high for both your 14.9 time and for a magna V6. Well done with the 14.9 though.

I'd honestly say the speed reading was out mate.

xr8man83 · 20-11-2006, 09:22 PM

there is no way that a stock ea runs a 15.5 i had one as a first car and it was a slug my mums exel was nearly faster

EBFalcs · 20-11-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick_Aussie

If your interested. Eflad.
The VN v6 auro. doing 7.16. first one he did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwiHG6CCq2U

And his VP V8. doing a 6.05.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by-sj9jAUGk

But honest you got too know this guy and what he does before questioning him, He's very good in tuning there ecu's and has so for many for nothing.

i got a VP 5L calais, would he do a chip for me, even though he don't know me from a bar of soap, can he do a changeover,

Gohan · 20-11-2006, 11:20 PM

i hate VN, VPs they are so not cool anymore dont tell that to the Greek crowd i'd rather the EA or EB to those to commodes VR VS i love to death

EBFalcs · 20-11-2006, 11:22 PM

mate, get a 5L eb/ed onto a 5L vn/vp, and th eb/ed will get eaten.

21-11-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gohan

i hate VN, VPs they are so not cool anymore dont tell that to the Greek crowd i'd rather the EA or EB to those to commodes VR VS i love to death

I have to admit, I do love the VS series, very good car. Almost bought a 5.7 stroker Senator, but insurance was way too much. That had chip, cam, exhaust and headwork done, had over 200kw at the wheels. 4 spot callipers too.

Ruger · 21-11-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gohan

i hate VN, VPs they are so not cool anymore dont tell that to the Greek crowd i'd rather the EA or EB to those to commodes VR VS i love to death

Im greek have alot of greek friends most are ford nuts and most wouldnt drive a commodore.
Wouldnt buy any commodore v6 commodore built to this day.

Cespenar · 22-11-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruger

have a peak at the gearbox ratios....

Ok, I looked at the ratios and I still think all that fat is the
problem.
1stgear: 9.4248 - V6. 8.2455 - I6
2ndgear: 5.0204 - V6. 5.0025 - I6
Not much between the gears is there?
The V6 has 127kw and 288nm
The I6 has 168kw and 370nm (heaps more)
It has to be the nearly 400kilograms that drag th I6 behind the VN.

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22-11-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Ok, I looked at the ratios and I still think all that fat is the
problem.
1stgear: 9.4248 - V6. 8.2455 - I6
2ndgear: 5.0204 - V6. 5.0025 - I6
Not much between the gears is there?
The V6 has 127kw and 288nm
The I6 has 168kw and 370nm (heaps more)
It has to be the nearly 400kilograms that drag th I6 behind the VN.

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168kw?? I thought the I6 had 157fwkw?? Unless the EL XR6 had more??

So the I6 would be heaps better to tow with wouldnt it? With all that torque??

Luke

Cespenar · 22-11-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EFLAD79

168kw?? I thought the I6 had 157fwkw?? Unless the EL XR6 had more??

So the I6 would be heaps better to tow with wouldnt it? With all that torque??

Luke

The 99 Ghia has 168Kw at about 4800rpm. It is the VCT motor. Very similar to the xr6. The standard motor is 157. It's not the horsepower that makes it a great towcar. It is the torque. At 370 Nm it is heaps better that the commodore.
The crumpledor was fantastic running light, but put the kids in, (ages 24, 27, 31) and the 'dore felt the fat, real bad.
One point I'll have to throw in here, and that is with all the fords our family has owned, all 5 of them, they don't rev out quickly. The holden types were quicker to spin up and were alwawys a crisper motor. I have no idea why this is so. :sm_headba

mcflux · 22-11-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

Ok, I looked at the ratios and I still think all that fat is the
problem.
1stgear: 9.4248 - V6. 8.2455 - I6
2ndgear: 5.0204 - V6. 5.0025 - I6
Not much between the gears is there?
The V6 has 127kw and 288nm
The I6 has 168kw and 370nm (heaps more)
It has to be the nearly 400kilograms that drag th I6 behind the VN.

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Erm, I'm not sure where you're going with those gear ratios. Anyhoo here are some gear ratio comparisons:

TH700
# First - 3.059
# Second - 1.625
# Third - 1.000
# Fourth - 0.696

BTR
# First - 2.39
# Second - 1.41
# Third - 1
# Fourth - 0.68

Note the huge difference between the two first gear ratios, and the considerable difference in the second gear ratios of these two autos. This is the main cause for the Falcon's slower launch.

BlewThunder · 22-11-2006, 11:24 PM

EDIT: *stupid not reading whole thread*

Full Spectrum · 23-11-2006, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EBFalcs

i got a VP 5L calais, would he do a chip for me, even though he don't know me from a bar of soap, can he do a changeover,

Maybe if you have the cable that goes into your ecu he might be able too give you the program too download into your car. I can ask him i'll see what i can do.

Full Spectrum · 23-11-2006, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

One point I'll have to throw in here, and that is with all the fords our family has owned, all 5 of them, they don't rev out quickly. The holden types were quicker to spin up and were alwawys a crisper motor. I have no idea why this is so. :sm_headba

I just think V6's do rev faster dont know why myself maybe it's just easier too rev the V shape being smalled more compact?.

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Originally Posted by Cespenar

The crumpledor was fantastic running light, but put the kids in, (ages 24, 27, 31) and the 'dore felt the fat, real bad.

I use my car too go too the footy. I carry 5 people out weight in total and a guess on my 4 passengers is car and passengers... 1800kg plus easy. I don't feel like the car is that much slower, Sure it feel that extra weight as it's alot, But it's not a fat lazy car still it's still responsive and gives me good fuel ecoenemy. Had a bloke one night coming home from the footy in a Camry V6 tried too pass me on the inside near the lights parked car was there, He pulled into the lane and didn't care how close this car was he tried me, Speed up he backed off, Till the next time he went again. Got the shits at the next lights i pulled too the left lane with a car parked 50 meters away and asked him would he like too do that again?, He did but i still got over, It's never felt like the old VB with 5 adults in the car and you only got 66kw and you would swear that someone had stolen 4 cylinders.

Cespenar · 26-11-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Who cares what they ran in 1988. VNs will have long rattled 50 kilos of random parts off and EAs will be 20 kilos lighter from constant decking of the head. 250,000 kms later and the engine would be lucky to make three quarters what it made from factory.

Hey, the old Calais has done the 250,000 Klm with no work done to the motor and it is still as quick today as it was in 91.
Get that date folks?
Holden reduce the real grunt of the early six because it could shame the 308 with the 308 having a higher top speed, but same times to 150 odd kph.
Instead of beefing the 8 they sickened the 6.
Oh, and just to make a POINT, the crumpledor has still got full compression after doing all of 250,000klm. My bros' 96 XH has high comp to, after 180,000klm. but like all ford sixpacks, his head was iffy. I now have my VCT ghia and rue the day that the head might warp.
Some cars are good, some aren't. Lot's more old holdens around than old fords. Maybe they are put together better. I dont argue the toss. I check then speak. What everybody should do. AU ghia is STILL the comfyest!

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Cespenar · 26-11-2006, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Erm, I'm not sure where you're going with those gear ratios. Anyhoo here are some gear ratio comparisons:

TH700
# First - 3.059
# Second - 1.625
# Third - 1.000
# Fourth - 0.696

BTR
# First - 2.39
# Second - 1.41
# Third - 1
# Fourth - 0.68

Note the huge difference between the two first gear ratios, and the considerable difference in the second gear ratios of these two autos. This is the main cause for the Falcon's slower launch.

Those ratios are different than the two VN's I had. Both the VN's had the same rations. The early one that had more torque than quoted, and the 91 Calais bot could do a fairly standard 302, but fiddle with the good bits and any car will fly.
Anyway, I quoted the overall ratios. You forgot to add the diff into the equation. The vn's all had 3.08, and the XH and BA utes, the EB xr8 and ef xr6 had 3.54 diffs from the factory. The au1 xr8 and au2 xr8 and my au ghia all have 3.54 diffs as well. Standard! S***! that's seven fords. not 5! Add the corty XLE and the 74 351 fairlane and we,ve got nine! S*** again. If we went through that many fords and only five holdens, something must be wrong with the fords! AARGH! SPIT SPIT!

5L · 26-11-2006, 05:38 AM

i cant believe this thread is still going,

Faker · 26-11-2006, 06:45 AM

I have an Auto V6 VN Lexcen and an AU. Both stock and the Lexcen has a gas conversion.
The Lexcen kills the AU but the AU is better to drive.
Last year I ran a 15.62 quarter in the VN at the Kwinana Motorplex.

Auto EA, EB and even ED Falcons do not come close. The AU is much quicker than them all. THe 4spd EA/B was slower than the three speed and both were around three seconds slower to 100km/h compared to the manual.
Even with the 4.0 litre the EB & ED were slow in auto form.

The VP was not quicker than the series I VN despite what Holden's figures state.

Against my Nephew's EL XR8 I stay in front up to about 140km/h.
His car is dead stock and is a slug considering it has an eight.

My VN was cheap and on gas, that's why I own it. It is loud and noisy but that just adds to the fun.
******** all you want the fact is if both cars are in good condition and stock the VN will hose any EA, EB or ED auto and it would take a well driven manual to just beat it.

As for the 125kW, the times achieved indicate this figure cannot be correct.