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13-11-2012, 11:20 AM | #1 | |||
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There is a new Hooning Fact Sheet out (linked to below) that mentions Cruising in a very discriminatory way.
Hooning Fact Sheet I have drafted a letter to the authors regarding this. I encourage all interested people to send a copy of this letter to the Fact Sheet Authors at: marketing.carrsq@qut.edu.au Quote:
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13-11-2012, 11:53 AM | #2 | ||
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Of all the descriptions, only one is 'hooning', and that is illegal street racing.
NONE of the others mention performing these acts on the street, therefore they are not anti-social, rather they are sanctioned sports/competitions. |
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13-11-2012, 12:12 PM | #3 | ||
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I think you've missed the point they're trying to get at. To me it clearly says they don't consider cruising itself a hooning behaviour, and with a little imagination I think I know what they're on a out. They're trying to include the behaviour where Mr X drives at half the speed limit down the Main Street slow enough so that everyone can look at him in his likely modified car.
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13-11-2012, 01:23 PM | #4 | ||
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So you can drive to be quickand wreckless and be a hoon, or drive slowly at a safe speed without breaking any road laws and still be a hoon.
Wait till my grandma finds out she's a hoon too.
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13-11-2012, 02:00 PM | #5 | ||||
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I do have issue with the "slow cruising" which isnt hooning, but is hooning... I was on a sanctioned cruise (123 cars) on Sunday with 4 police vehicles in tow. Due to the heavy traffic we all went slow along the strand in our modified cars.... dear oh dear (and the cops were good, all went well)
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14-11-2012, 11:46 AM | #6 | |||
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"You can't arrest us because we're going the speed limit" kinda thing.
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14-11-2012, 01:34 PM | #7 | |||
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It is illegal to drive too slow. |
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14-11-2012, 01:45 PM | #8 | ||
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Oh, this is a new one to me. Where (in any states road rules) does it say that?
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13-11-2012, 01:36 PM | #9 | ||
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Super hoons...
http://www.motorclassica.com.au/general-information/ |
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13-11-2012, 02:04 PM | #10 | |||
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How about a fact sheet on universities: Facts: 1) Illegal drug use is rife within tertiary education. 2) Extreme anti government and anti society groups who engage in protests some involving damage to public and private property are very common in tertiary education institutions. 3) Unroadworthy and dangerous motor vehicles are very common in universities. So for a start we have drug using terrorist mentality road hazzards telling us how we should live our lives. I wonder if they would dispute my facts..... |
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13-11-2012, 02:16 PM | #11 | |||
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Be aware that reports such as this will be used by the media, and future Law-Makers. Unless you are happy for Cruising to be included in future Anti-Hooning Legislation, I would ask for support in getting the authors of this report to remove that section from it. Last edited by ZC-Cruiser; 13-11-2012 at 02:42 PM. |
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13-11-2012, 04:46 PM | #12 | |||
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There are few who choose the academic path because it is so gruelling for little short-term reward. It involves at minimum a 4 to 5 year Honours degree, then a 4 year PhD, and then post-doctoral studies. It is difficult because during a Bachelor w/ Honours degree you usually only have the money you get from parents, centrelink or part-time job. It's very hard to work a part time job when striving for 1st class honours which is necessary to qualify for a PhD scholarship. PhD scholarships are just over $20,000 a year for 3.5 years max (FYI PhD's are the equivalent of a full time job, often more because of weekend work). You only start earning decent money when you start post-docing (which is very competitive) and continued success and opportunity to 'climb the ladder' is largely dependent on how many papers you can get published. This means that you end up about 26-27 with no money or assets to your name, whilst you've watched all your friends go travelling, have kids and buy a house. The point I'm making is that an academic is about as far as you can get from the binge drinking 'happy with a pass' yobs who live in the unibar or those who use their short time at university to launch their 'political' careers.
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Other students never leave school and continue to develop and/or teach theories and practices based on what they were taught earlier. These are called academics........ |
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13-11-2012, 05:09 PM | #14 | |||
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13-11-2012, 05:02 PM | #15 | |||
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13-11-2012, 02:11 PM | #17 | ||
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Jim, where do they mention any of those activities being performed on the street?
When has anyone set up sophisticated timing devices to 'break records' for illegal street based time trials? |
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13-11-2012, 02:22 PM | #18 | ||
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13-11-2012, 02:45 PM | #19 | ||
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I though the report was good. If you read through it actually states most cars are not modified and are common cars such as a ford or Holden.
It also makes the difference between an enthusiast and a hoon. It does not say cruising is a hoon act, but it is associated with hooning. This is correct, look at Cruise for Charity in Vic last few years it has turned into a burnout fest at the end. |
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13-11-2012, 03:04 PM | #20 | |||||
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It's inclusion in a document such as this could result in future legislation containing sanctions against cruising. The fact that no statistics are given as to the proportion of hooning offenders who were participating in a cruise when they committed the offence is suspicious. The way that the proportions of hooning cruisers are referred to in vague terms is also suspicious: Quote:
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13-11-2012, 03:20 PM | #21 | ||
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I drink ..
It is a behaviour sometimes engaged in by those drivers who engage in drink driving.. I don't actually but the point is there. Fools.
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13-11-2012, 03:15 PM | #22 | ||
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We are all hoons, because we don't just think of cars as a form of transport. So just don't do the wrong thing and they can label us as they want. There's no use upsetting ourselves by trying to justify not being a hoon. As you a fighting a loosing battle, don't forget if you don't break the law, you have nothing to worry about.
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13-11-2012, 03:52 PM | #23 | |||
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I am simply pointing out that in this report on hooning, there is one paragraph that has clearly not been subjected to the same rigor as the rest of the document. I am not trying to fight a battle against hoon laws, I am trying to ensure that non-hoon behaviour (in this case Cruising) is not included in future Anti-Hooning Legislation because we couldn't be bothered to point out to these researchers that we have spotted this suspicious, statistic-free reference to cruising in a report on hooning and would like it removed. Anthony Standfield, President at Queensland Torana Car Club, has already managed to get that paragraph changed to what it is now by making representation to the researchers. I applaud Anthony for achieving this and would now like to take it one step further and have the reference to cruising removed altogether. I am proposing that anyone who is interested in ensuring that cruising is not defined as hooning in the future should send a copy of the letter above to the email address of the researchers (also above). |
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13-11-2012, 03:22 PM | #24 | ||
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You know, I'm getting sick of hearing the "If you don't break the law, you got nothing to worry about".
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13-11-2012, 03:35 PM | #25 | ||
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Well mate better get used to it, because that's the only thing that's going to protect you from hoon laws. And yes it gets said alot, but that's because it's the truth. Look I love taking of from a set of light fast or putting the foot down when ever possible. But the laws have changed and so do I, otherwise it could be my XBGT coupe getting crushed. We all have to face facts, these laws are here to stay.
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13-11-2012, 03:44 PM | #26 | |||
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I mean do you actually believe that not breaking the law will protect you from our paranoid overly litigious public vegetables? These laws are here to stay? Sort of like a 1000 year reich really........ |
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13-11-2012, 03:59 PM | #27 | ||
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Yes seriously, if you've done nothing wrong then you can't get done, even by hear say. Like the worlds going to end it's all up in the air. I've been driving for over 20 years, I've been convicted of street racing twice. But all I got was a 6 months suppension. So I'm no angel but I know when the law is being rediculious. And these new hoon laws are over the top, but because of the few idiots that don't know a good time or place to play up, then we're all stuck with the laws. And they have been around a few years now and seem to be getting stricter.
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13-11-2012, 04:10 PM | #28 | ||
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14-11-2012, 12:18 AM | #29 | |||
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I will not, however, cease to scrutinize unjust laws. I can't see how having a defeatist attitude will protect me from anything, in fact I believe it would make me more exposed. Feel free to 'get used to it' if that works for you, it does not work for me. |
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14-11-2012, 04:02 AM | #30 | |||
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But I know where you're coming from 20 years ago the cops used always pull me up in the hardtop. But now I don't get pulled up for no reason anymore, so not much has change just they crush cars now. I'd probably get pulled up alot if I drove a newer modified car, as that's what they seem to target these days. But it used to be me and my mates in monaros,toranas, XY/W/A/B's getting ran over the pits on a number of occasions. |
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