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Old 25-03-2016, 12:24 PM   #31
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I will talk to a mate who works in a BMW workshop to see if the new BP has caused any issues. The BMW bikes are a bit fussy they advised their customers not to use one brand a while ago.
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Old 25-03-2016, 01:38 PM   #32
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So.. they have added some kero to the diesel.. and some toluene (or maybe a bit extra xylene) to the 98...

You have to love marketing people.

** as per two posts above. I agree with bp 98 being the best of the fuels. I think it has tons of xylene in it and pretty much never pings.
Please note:- Any fuel additive that has an "ene" as part of the name has cancer causing issues, why would you add it and burn it ?
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Old 25-03-2016, 09:31 PM   #33
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I will talk to a mate who works in a BMW workshop to see if the new BP has caused any issues. The BMW bikes are a bit fussy they advised their customers not to use one brand a while ago.
Yeah Optimax was always not recommended for bikes. I'm not sure if V-Power was in the same boat.
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Old 26-03-2016, 08:45 PM   #34
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Can someone help me here....

Everyone keeps talking about Ultimate, Vortex and V-Power fuels..

What has happened to mobil fuels now that they are all under the 7-11 brand?

Years ago, Mobil was the Brand but now doesn't get a mention. Does anyone know any info? Are their fuels rubbish?
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Old 26-03-2016, 08:46 PM   #35
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Mobil branding is back at 7-11
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Old 26-03-2016, 09:17 PM   #36
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have only ever run ultimate in my car - never a drop of anything else. will be keeping an eye on any change going forward.
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Please note:- Any fuel additive that has an "ene" as part of the name has cancer causing issues, why would you add it and burn it ?
Fuel by default also contains benzenes ,
I'm sure if you can work out how to remove ŕll the enes you'll not only be a genius, you'll be rich too
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Can someone help me here....

Everyone keeps talking about Ultimate, Vortex and V-Power fuels..

What has happened to mobil fuels now that they are all under the 7-11 brand?

Years ago, Mobil was the Brand but now doesn't get a mention. Does anyone know any info? Are their fuels rubbish?
Here in Qld Mobil Synergy never really took off. I did try it in my WRX on numerous occasions years ago but I had to go out of my way to get it. And now with Mobil stations gone, I've never wanted to try Fuel from a 7-11.

It did seem fine but I didn't get the same mileage as I did with Ultimate.
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Can someone help me here....

Everyone keeps talking about Ultimate, Vortex and V-Power fuels..

What has happened to mobil fuels now that they are all under the 7-11 brand?

Years ago, Mobil was the Brand but now doesn't get a mention. Does anyone know any info? Are their fuels rubbish?
The town I live in, Mobil fuel is BP fuel. Just different paperwork. Puma/Caltex/Shell/BP fuel is all 90 percent imported. Then piped off the ship to different terminals. Then the different additives get added.
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Can someone help me here....

Everyone keeps talking about Ultimate, Vortex and V-Power fuels..

What has happened to mobil fuels now that they are all under the 7-11 brand?

Years ago, Mobil was the Brand but now doesn't get a mention. Does anyone know any info? Are their fuels rubbish?
First this happened:

http://www.exxonmobil.com.au/Austral..._20090527.aspx

Then this:

http://www.7eleven.com.au/media-cent...fuels-business

and this:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/minin...109-30j1t.html

I'm sure there is more details, but they seem to be the major activities on the timeline....
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Can someone help me here....

Everyone keeps talking about Ultimate, Vortex and V-Power fuels..

What has happened to mobil fuels now that they are all under the 7-11 brand?

Years ago, Mobil was the Brand but now doesn't get a mention. Does anyone know any info? Are their fuels rubbish?
Here in Newcastle NSW the 7-11 have Mobil branding (including the old flying red horse) but don't offer a 98 ron fuel. They have a 95 which they market as "Special" fuel. My experience is that it doesn't give any better mileage than than 91 unleaded in my EL XR8 around town running.

My experience with dyno runs has been that BP Ultimate 98 generally produces the best numbers and dyno operators told me the same

I notice that local BP truck stop with the Ultimate diesel are promoting with signage on the bowser that it "busts dirt in 2 tanks".
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This strikes me as bizarre: "BP AUSTRALIA claims its new Ultimate petrol and diesel fuels improve fuel consumption..."

Why would any petroleum refiner wanna do that? Isn't it counterproductive dollar-wise?
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Old 29-03-2016, 04:21 PM   #43
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Here in Newcastle NSW the 7-11 have Mobil branding (including the old flying red horse) but don't offer a 98 ron fuel. They have a 95 which they market as "Special" fuel. My experience is that it doesn't give any better mileage than than 91 unleaded in my EL XR8 around town running.
Don't know what part of town you frequent, but it must be very limited.

Almost every 7-11 in Newcastle has 98 RON Mobil fuel, it's called Supreme+ & is the Red coloured hose.

The "special" fuel you talk of isn't 95 RON, it's regular unleaded 91 RON, (Deep Blue hose). You don't get any better mileage than 91 unleaded, because you're only using 91 unleaded.

Extra (which is a lighter Blue hose) is 95 RON & then they have Special E10 which is Green coloured hose & is 94 RON.

I've been using Mobil/7-11 98 RON fuel in my FPV Cobra quite a lot over the past 12 months, cause 7-11's seem to be in abundance everywhere I go.
I haven't had a problem with it.

I use BP Ultimate whenever possible, but haven't used a lot over the past 12 months.

Last 5 tanks have been 2 Ultimate & 3 Shell V-Power. I haven't done exacting calculations, just comparing regular similar trips & how often I need to fill up, but I seem to be getting more mileage out of the V-Power than both BP Ultimate & Mobil/7-11 Supreme+ 98?
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This strikes me as bizarre: "BP AUSTRALIA claims its new Ultimate petrol and diesel fuels improve fuel consumption..."

Why would any petroleum refiner wanna do that? Isn't it counterproductive dollar-wise?
You read that marketing spin in conjunction with – on public holidays we jack the prices up so much it almost tears you a new one.

I’m sure any costs incurred by improvements is somehow passed onto the consumer.
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Old thread I know - but after 7 years of trying different petrol in first a modified AU Fairmont Ghia then my current modified (stock tune dual-fuel) FG XR6, 95 on either car just wasn't worth the extra c/pl for only mild performance gains. Shell V-Power years ago was A1, the additive package was changed, and it seemed only good the first 1-2 weeks.

BP Ultimate both these cars took quite a long time to get used to (?) it seemed superior to Vortex 98.

To be honest in the last 4-5 years I broke past the silly "No, no, not 7-11 petrol" as I have over time found Mobil's Special 91 to be gutsy, strong, reliable and above all consistent quality, better than all other 91 RON (definitely better than any 95 RON from Shell etc). I must say I live in Melbourne and the Mobil fuel comes refined from the Altona refinery.

The last six months I've only used Mobil Special 91 from the one site (yes I drive regularly enough on petrol unlike many slapdash dual-fuel car owners)...and I've been deeply impressed, so next I will try their Supreme 98+.

Use whatever (correct) fuel for your car, it's YOUR car, not mine nor Martha's across the street. They vary...two cars identical from factory end up being different beasts unless driven, serviced and looked after identically. A billion tuners swear by Ultimate 98...but Mobil Synergy 8000 used to be the tuner's wet dream. Seeing that all that has happened is 7-11 petrol is Mobil and some Mobil stations have opened, Mobil have recently upgraded their additives...the Supreme 98+ could be the bee's knees.

All I know is that Mobil 91 RON (Special 91) is ridiculously good 91 RON petrol in the last few years. I don't drive for economy (but avoid LPG/petrol that goes "zoom" but also the gauge zooms down disproportionately also). As long as I get a combination of high-performance and good economy I'm happy. Actually, in petrol I've not been that happy since V-Power changed ~ 2013. I've never used BP 91 RON as it contains 2.5% ethanol as stated on the pump. It might be good, but after a bad E10 experience in the Fairmont Ghia, not touching ethanol-containing fuel ever again.

You're buying Mobil product, not a 7-11 snack. Who cares what the storefront is? I'm also a happy chappy because I discovered the closest Shell (independent, always has been) their LPG is Supagas (100% propane, no butane)...still, for the best economy/performance, Mobil's LPG is the best. Actually, that's how I got into Mobil petrol, via their LPG. I do love Supagas though...

I'm really excited to try the Special 98+ to see if it's similar to Synergy 8000. It's definitely refined to 98 RON, not jacked-up 95 with additives to reach 98 RON, I've checked. In the US the best tier Mobil "gasoline" is called Synergy, I bet the additive package is similar (with variations) worldwide.

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Dude, sounds like you need to switch to BP Opal
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Whatever. Go pour it on yourself, set it alight - still burns. Oh, congrats on being the only poster in two pages not talking about fuel properly. And lastly for being the most hostile person on AFF I've encountered in nine years.

Trump moron. Managed to get some racism in there too hey?

Been 3 years since I've posted, looks like AFF has gone down the drain like many a forum has.

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Yep, 20-30 odd years ago the Mobil Synergy fuels were the bees knees. Recommended fuel by many manufacturers for their vehicles. Even Ford/Tickford recommended it. Tickford V8's were tuned for it. I used it religiously back in the day. What a sad situation it is now. Hardly any Mobil stations around anymore.


Ps: On a side note, gotta love people who get deeply involved with politics, elections, etc of a said politician of a certain country. But were born, and/or live on the other side of the planet!!?? Why don't you go live in that country then if you're so deeply interested in their politics??
Freakin' morons!!

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Yep, 20-30 odd years ago the Mobil Synergy fuels were the bees knees. Recommended fuel by many manufacturers for their vehicles. Even Ford/Tickford recommended it. Tickford V8's were tuned for it. I used it religiously back in the day. What a sad situation it is now. Hardly any Mobil stations around anymore.


Ps: On a side note, gotta love people who get deeply involved with politics, elections, etc of a said politician of a certain country. But were born, and/or live on the other side of the planet!!?? Why don't you go live in that country then if you're so deeply interested in their politics??
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as I have over time found Mobil's Special 91 to be gutsy, strong, reliable and above all consistent quality, better than all other 91 RON
I also use 7/11 fuel Special 91 in my car, mostly because of the Fuel Lock feature I can beat the pricing cycles.

I am interested how you measured the performance of the fuel to make this observation?
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I am a direct Holden descendant, (yes those Holdens!) even before I could drive I'd get into a car and would tell the owner "This car needs a service" and unerringly they'd say in shock "It was due a couple of months ago, how can you tell?". Mobil Special 91 is the only powerful, consistent petrol I've found in latter years. I've found this from batch to batch, and site to site. V-Power used to be great six years ago in that regard, I hesitate to say BP Ultimate 98 because in my current (FG XR6) and last car (AU Fairmont Ghia) Ultimate 98 made both cars run roughly for about a quarter of a tank.

theBlake, I have odo'd it (Mobil Special 91) quite some time ago, it's more the number of times I've had a great tank of brand-x then buy it again and it was only passable that really put me off. I've found Mobil Special 91 to be consistently grunty, powerful petrol every batch, every site, and that I can't say of any other brand. Hence why I am very interested in trying Mobil's Supreme 98+.

Who doesn't get sick of "passable" petrol, or petrol that varies from batch to batch? BP's LPG is definitely the most economical (highest butane content) but that comes at the cost of performance. Sluggish takeoff, ridiculously sluggish actually, and peak (overtaking say) power problems, labouring up hills and downshifting too. People who tow also report no-go, as per the LPG threads. Mobil LPG wins here again on the economy/performance ratio, perfect. Supagas (pure propane) is amazing but not as economical.

I'm going to quickly plug Liqui-Moly Fuel System Cleaner/Conditioner. I found out about it on bobistheoilguy, researching Techron Concentrate to try to unstick a possible fouled fuel sender issue. One poster raved about it being the fuel system cleaner to be beaten bar none (including the tank). I never expected to find a) my fuel consumption to drop by 1.8l/100k, nor the palpable rear end drivetrain oomph. The engine purrs like my (now dead and years back) Grandpa's BMW 325i, the car slickly oozes forward like a hot knife through butter (both BMW and Ford use/d the boxer inline six, the most powerful but least economical engine type)...anyway, the (already well-mantained) car is performing superbly, even the overall dynamics have changed for the better.

Supposed to last 10,000ks, and I've seen this effect after only 20-odd, despite the steel can stating 200k. 36/38 glowing reviews on the Supercheap Auto website (more than for any other additive) convinced me to try it - some had tried 4,5 and little to no effect. Has it unfouled the sender? Probably, but I won't know until I've used a full quarter tank and top up a bit. It seems to have done everything else bar the car becoming German, so I suspect so.

Karl Benz invented the motor car, and Liqui-Moly are Germany's leading oil brand. At $27-31 a can it may *seem* pricier, but why pay $10-15 on glop that barely or doesn't work? The Germans don't have unrestricted speed autobahns for nothing...

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My two small turbos give me brilliant smooth economy on E10 from Liberty/Shell or United as a 94/5 replacement. But I’m a hypermiler type of driver.
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Should be interesting!

There's something very Fishy about that claim....
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I spoke to my just-retired friend who was one of the best smash repairers in Melbourne (his shop was the first to use Mercedes & BMWs paint system in Australia in 1983, his liaison mechanic ex-lead tech for Mercedes-Benz Australia) and asked his opinion of Mobil Supreme 98+. He said it was "very good". Worth noting. Also gave him a heads-up on the Liqui-Moly Total Fuel System Cleaner/Conditioner, he said he'd be putting a can in his car today.

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Glasurit was the system used by Higgins Panels Bullen in the early 80s.......my 604


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Hi Ryeman. I have the flu, might have been Glasurit or Spies-Hecker (I forget) but he had the newspaper article framed on the wall about him and his father's shop (Dawson Automotive in Heidelberg West) being the first shop in Australia. I think a number of body shops quickly followed.

Interested that you use E10...the price difference doesn't equate to the energy density usually. I stupidly put a third of a tank of E10 in my last (yes E10 capable) AU Ghia but that car (and my current) being dual fuel you don't use it as much and it played merry hell with my tank - violent shuddering of the engine a month later on petrol. Was told you'd have to run it out in 2 weeks, and in essence don't put E10 in a dual fuel car.

Petrol's at the bottom of the cycle at the moment but I was advised by MotorActive the Aust. distributors of Liqui-Moly to run it only on petrol (I'd added the full 500ml to just under half a tank of Special 91 and added 3.5 litres more to "swish it down" - wish I'd measured half out 'cos a can does up to 100l, could have kept the rest for next 10,000k but it was a Repco RACV 30% off weekend so just chucked it in - only found out about it weekend before last Sunday AM) and I'm supposed to run a full 1/4 tank then go back to mixed use (rest will keep mixing through over coming months at the right dilution anyway), and it doesn't pay to have too much petrol in a dual fuel car and not driving heaps atm.

The Fuel Lock thing, how does it work? Seen the ads on TV, you take a pic and it's valid a week, yes? Must use it. Won't be topping up for 2-3 weeks though will transition to Special 98+ will be a mongrel mix but over time...

Pretty sure I have a workshop-only Liqui-Moly friction-modifier tube in my diff too, trans/diff guy (Sam at Tech Automotive in Thomastown) he put it in as standard, got the 100,000k diff oil change done early at 90,000k whilst getting another job (car still is only 97k) and rear end felt great on driving out etc, was a few years ago. Can't see it on their website but looked it up at the time. Quality gear.

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My 604 was pure LPG, but I had my FG XR6 converted to LPI and was always concerned with ‘old’ petrol becoming an issue in time.


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Yeah, it's a s*it with dual fuel cars, always worrying about stale fuel. I just top it up with $5-10 every 2-3 weeks. Been using Special 91 cos it's enticing to add that "extra" at the bottom of the cycle vs 98 but 98 should last 3 months. Mobil told me that topping up the way I do with their 91 everything will be fine for 12 months (by which time what you've added a year back is gone)...but I miss 98 esp. given the unique stock tune of an FG Barra:

91 RON is 195 kW and 391 Nm
95 RON is 201kW and 409 Nm
98 RON is 208kW and 420 Nm

Bought mine in VGC at 84k already with SVI but nearly bought a demo black XR6 Mk 11 at $26k with under 200ks on it (showroom car) and was going to get LPI on it, not Orbital the other one. Black is a cow to keep clean and I wanted a "hero" colour so she's a Nitro FG XR6, some nice body/CAI upgrade mods plus Redback straight-through exhaust (which I'd have added) by previous owner and Ford leather seats etc through a Ford connection so essentially the Luxury Pack, plus Technology Pack.

I must admit I miss the 98 kick!

(My friend's just-closed shop was Dawson Prestige, not Automotive)

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Old 14-08-2019, 11:14 PM   #60
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Found it. The Liqui-Moly gear additive in my diff.

https://www.liqui-moly.com.au/produc...-oil-additive/

And here's the Total Fuel System Cleaner/Conditioner:
https://www.liqui-moly.com.au/produc...r-conditioner/

How many people swear by Mobil 1 oil? Their fuels are also A1. The site I use is a huge four bay two bowser per side layout normal petrol station - it's a well-frequented large site with exactly the same services a petrol station should have, it just happens to be 7-11 branded with Mobil fuels.

Check out Mobil's fuels (everything is additised from Special 91, Special Diesel, E10 (94 RON), Extra (95 RON) and of course Supreme 98+ with the top grade package) plus a fun video:

https://www.mobil.com.au/en/our-fuels

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