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Old 05-01-2018, 02:52 PM   #61
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More consistent news from Tesla!

standard fare from Tesla, make promises and fail to deliver.
but the lata sipping, smashed avocado lover green voters will stall talk up Elon Musk as the saviour of the universe.
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By the time the last guy get his Tesla 3, the first one will be in a Museum.
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https://dailykanban.com/2018/02/sear...y-truck-plant/

Interesting article comparing Elon Musk's idea of wanting the tesla plant to have mostly robots doing most of the work, and the trouble's that is causing, compared to Fords production expertise with manufacturing and how it's not possible to have all manufacturing done by robots.
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Tesla Looked Like the Future. Now Some Ask if It Has One.

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Tesla shares?... buy buy buy!
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"Tesla is just months from a total collapse, says hedge-fund manager"

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“As a reality check, Tesla is worth twice as much as Ford [estimate of the enterprise value of both companies], yet Ford F+2.03% made 6 million cars last year at a $7.6 billion profit while Tesla made 100,000 cars at a $2 billion loss,” Thompson said. “Further, Ford has $12 billion in cash held for ‘a rainy day’ while Tesla will likely run out of money in the next 3 months. I’ve never seen anything so absurd in my career.”
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PayBack

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oops , that's gonna hurt .
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Old 30-03-2018, 07:56 PM   #70
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Didn't Elon recently receive $2 Billion from Tesla as recognition for his efforts or some such BS.

The rats are lining up at the gangway....
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Following the now familiar script when facing extinction, next week Elon will announce the new Tesla Model FU.

Key specifications, body work carbon fibre with kevlar, 1,000 shades of black with nano coated crystalline paintwork that bonds to each individual carbon weave, fully 100% certified organic interior, 0-60 in 0.1 seconds, 1/4 in 0.2 seconds, top speed currently limited to C but work underway to improve upon this, 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 km range or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years without recharge (which ever comes first), room for a family of 18 and their pets, hover mode capable with future proofing for teleportation and cryogenics. No specific mention of costs but will be targeted at an even lower price point than the Model X.
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So Ford made $1200 odd profit per car??
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Didn't Elon recently receive $2 Billion from Tesla as recognition for his efforts or some such BS.

The rats are lining up at the gangway....
Looks like he’s on a performance payment plan....

https://www.rt.com/business/422001-t...-compensation/
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The future of Uber doesn't look so great either.
http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/1950...f-self-driving
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What a damming article on Uber self driving cars.

What amazes me is that in the test stage they just plonk an every day Betsie in the drivers seat to monitor the progress of the systems. How is that responsible? Absolutely crazy

Tesla https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/30/tesl...ases-risk.html

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Beta testing on public roads is downright scary, I hope the tragedy in Arizona
serves as a warning that these cars are not ready to travel on autopilot,
that lady was crossing a four lane highway (illegally) but the Uber system
never detected her way out in front?

People at the crash site have said that the lighting is better than the dash cam showed.
and that reenactments of events revealed that people positioned where she crossed
could be seen way off in the distant.
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What really irritates me about Uber is that they are allowed to operate in Victoria , at the same time killing the taxi industry who are regulated and pay tax. Uber are just another one of these cowboy multinational companies that will pay very little tax if any and consider the people that work for them as contractors (no entitlements at all). I've got no idea why a Labour government would allow them to operate.
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Uber is only popular because they are cheaper than Taxis, what would happen
if Taxis were allowed to play by the same rules - no or low license fees and
transfer all vehicle costs to owner drivers like Uber does?
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[QUOTE=rjk74;6110129]What really irritates me about Uber is that they are allowed to operate in Victoria , at the same time killing the taxi industry who are regulated and pay tax. Uber are just another one of these cowboy multinational companies that will pay very little tax if any and consider the people that work for them as contractors (no entitlements at all). I've got no idea why a Labour government would allow them to operate.[/QUOTE You forgot to mention that they are opportunistic parasites aided an abetted by the stinking government .
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What really irritates me about Uber is that they are allowed to operate in Victoria , at the same time killing the taxi industry who are regulated and pay tax. Uber are just another one of these cowboy multinational companies that will pay very little tax if any and consider the people that work for them as contractors (no entitlements at all). I've got no idea why a Labour government would allow them to operate.
You forgot to mention that they are opportunistic parasites aided an abetted by the stinking government .
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Maybe Elon Musk might need to try this .

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First time I've noticed the showroom in the CBD today.

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You forgot to mention that they are opportunistic parasites aided an abetted by the stinking government .
It's the federal government that needs a policy on this.

They allowed an international company to walk in and trash law abiding Australian businesses run by families.

W.A Labor tried to force uber into having a levy of a couple of dollars per ride so they could compensate taxi plate holders.

The liberals voted it down in parliament and gave a free pass for the American company to keep sending our money offshore while paying no tax.

Uber are scabs!
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First time I've noticed the showroom in the CBD today.

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Can we stick to the topic please, and not go wandering into politics.
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Yep, Martin Place.
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How 'bout this from 2012 or so . If only the range was more Tesla like . Interesting vid actually .

https://myelectriccar.com.au/ford-focus-electric/

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I do like decisive people who tell dweebs to sod off, but Musk isn’t decisive, he is delusional. “couldn’t care less” and “boring questions” ... The market is betting more on Tesla flopping rather than succeeding, Musk is doing his best to make that happen. It is not going to end well for Tesla.

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Elon Musk's refusal to answer 'boring' questions sinks Tesla shares

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Tesla shares slumped after chief Elon Musk said he did not care if day traders sold their stock in the company.

"We have no interest in satisfying the desires of day traders," Mr Musk said in a conference call with investors on Wednesday.

"I couldn't care less. Please sell our stock and don't buy it."

The company's shares ended the day 5.6 per cent lower at $US285.45 on Thursday (local time), which shaved almost $US3 billion off Tesla's market value.

It was also his refusal to answer "boring" Wall Street questions about Tesla's first-quarter earnings which sent the electric vehicle maker's shares down as much as 7 per cent earlier in the day.

Mr Musk was also asked about Tesla's capital requirements and its nagging problem of failing to meet car-production targets.

His answer was: "Boring questions are not cool".

On Wednesday (local time), Tesla forecast lower capital spending for the year and a profit in the second half.

Mr Musk was also bullish on upcoming projects, promising decisions soon on the construction of a new Model Y factory, and the location of a Chinese Gigafactory.

He also pledged to reduce third-party contractors, saying their use had "really gotten out of control".

Mr Musk has won legions of vocal fans for his soaring vision and bold promises, from making electric vehicles mainstream to sending rockets into space as the CEO of SpaceX.

But the entrepreneur has also exhibited erratic behaviour in recent months, from late-night tweets and jokes about bankruptcy to a public spat with regulators investigating a fatality involving a Tesla vehicle.

Tesla shares have lost more than a quarter of their value since touching a high of $US389.61 in September, hurt by reports of bottlenecks around production of the Model 3 sedan, seen as crucial to Tesla's profitability.

Its stock is closely held, with co-founder Mr Musk owning 22 per cent and its top four investors, including him, over 40 per cent — giving Mr Musk a certain freedom to brush off analyst concerns.

Tesla's total market value ($US51 billion) exceeds that of Ford Motor Co ($US43.9 billion).

However, Ford's revenue last year ($US156.7 billion) surpassed Tesla's ($US11.8 billion) by far.
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How long did it take Amazon to turn a profit?
If you invested $1000 in Amazon 10 years ago what would it be worth now?
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Interesting article comparing Elon Musk's idea of wanting the tesla plant to have mostly robots doing most of the work, and the trouble's that is causing, compared to Fords production expertise with manufacturing and how it's not possible to have all manufacturing done by robots.
I may pointing to the elephant in the room but Musk's bent on eliminating humans from the production against Ford's KTP is that Ford not doubt have many employees that buy a vehicle that comes off their own production line every few years where as Tesla aiming for no employees reduces it customer base thus less vehicles built.
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