Pedestrian Run Down By Cyclist

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FGX-351

You'd be surprised. lol
I live on my inline skates, own at least 6 pairs as well as ice and old school roller skates.

You have a lot of good rinks available in Vic.
I'm on the QLD roller hockey team & whenever we play down your way I like to go check out the local rinks, geat fun!

When I was "growing up" in that era (late 90s/early 2000s) everything was inline roller blades, skateboards, every kid had "skate belts" (thick fabric belt with brass adjuster thing on it) and loosely fitted "skate shoes" (Vans, Etnies etc) with the laces tucked into the shoes instead of tied up and baggy clothes.

The local skate park everyone had skateboards and we were all little Tony Hawk wannabees discussing different decks, trucks, bearings and wheels .

Now, its just a few kids on push bikes at the skate park, when did that whole inline skating and skateboarding scene wear off our young people?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

It does seem that, like the wheel, it's going around in circles.

It's Groundhog Day....all over again

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

When I was "growing up" in that era (late 90s/early 2000s) everything was inline roller blades, skateboards, every kid had "skate belts" (thick fabric belt with brass adjuster thing on it) and loosely fitted "skate shoes" (Vans, Etnies etc) with the laces tucked into the shoes instead of tied up and baggy clothes.

The local skate park everyone had skateboards and we were all little Tony Hawk wannabees discussing different decks, trucks, bearings and wheels .

Now, its just a few kids on push bikes at the skate park, when did that whole inline skating and skateboarding scene wear off our young people?

Tony Hawk killed reality skateboarding when he realeased playstation skateboarding.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

when did that whole inline skating and skateboarding scene wear off our young people?

I think the whole PC/Console and social media dependence took over. Plus kids back then suffered enough broken ankles so when they eventually had kids of their own, buying them a tablet should be more hassle-free than a Steve Caballero deck.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by marty351

Tony Hawk killed reality skateboarding when he realeased playstation skateboarding.

Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 and 2 were the bomb, with epic soundtracks from bands like Pappa Roach from the 1990s/2000s

[marty351]

Playstation 2? you old fart....

[LG17]

Originally Posted by tempted

This is the only place that cyclists belong. End of argument.

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Narrow-mindedness gets nobody nowhere...

[Xauterus]

If its so dangerous to ride in traffic then conditions need to be changed to correct that for cyclists following the law.

[aussiblue]

When I was "growing up" in that era (late 90s/early 2000s) everything was inline roller blades, skateboards, every kid had "skate belts" (thick fabric belt with brass adjuster thing on it) and loosely fitted "skate shoes" (Vans, Etnies etc) with the laces tucked into the shoes instead of tied up and baggy clothes.

The local skate park everyone had skateboards and we were all little Tony Hawk wannabees discussing different decks, trucks, bearings and wheels .

Now, its just a few kids on push bikes at the skate park, when did that whole inline skating and skateboarding scene wear off our young people

This is what killed it in WA http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/w...0113/s209.html (also helped build a view that many WA cyclists were selfish road and path users).

ROAD TRAFFIC CODE 2000 - REG 209

209 . Travelling on in‑line skates etc. on bicycle path or separated footpath

(1) A person travelling on in‑line skates, rollerskates, a motorised scooter or a similar wheeled recreational device, shall not be on a part of a separated footpath designated for the use of pedestrians unless the person —


(a) is crossing the separated footpath by the shortest safe route; and


(b) does not stay on the separated footpath for longer than necessary to cross the separated footpath safely.


Modified penalty: 1 PU


(2) A person travelling on in‑line skates, rollerskates, a motorised scooter or a similar wheeled recreational device, on a bicycle path, or a part of a separated footpath designated for the use of bicycles, shall keep out of the path of any cyclist or EPT rider.

The cyclist lobby had this legislation put in place and some aggro riders then used it to push us of the footpaths even when we were on the LH side and there was plenty of room for them to get by on their side. Similarly, those same B&&%*sts would come up behind us and insist we get off the path even when there was plenty of room on the path to go around us. It was also an excuse for some of them to ride two abreast and force us off the pavements. Going off on sand or grass generally ruined your expensive skate bearing and for those others less experienced skaters it made them fall off. And skates are I think are as, if not even more, environmentally than bikes (less carbon utilising materials used in their manufacture).

PS I started inline skating in my late 40's when my kids took it and inline hockey up.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Xauterus

If its so dangerous to ride in traffic then conditions need to be changed to correct that for cyclists following the law.

The only way to ensure they are safe is to separate them from cars. There are certainly places where we try, but still the dedicated paths are not up to the cyclists exacting standards, and they continue to mix it with the cars and come off second best.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by tempted

In follow up to the video I posted of the truck, this may help to put into perspective what a truck actually pays to use the road. This is what a relative of mine who runs his own business pays to register a prime mover.
As you can see, there is a 'road user fee' of almost $5000. Now why should cyclists who pay ZERO road user fees even have the right to be on the road, let alone demand the same rights and space as paying users. Its ludicrous.
The pencil pushers who dream up these laws giving cyclists rights should get out from behind their desks and out into the real world, where they will see that there is simply no place for cyclists on the roads. Motor vehicles and bicycles are like water and oil - they do not mix!
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Get real!
Even IF there was rego on a bicycle, it'd be all of $0.02 going by those charges. Maybe you should be lobbying for reduced rego charges for trucks instead of this ill fated witch hunt.

...and what would you charge pedestrians?

[b0son]

tempted, it may sound like a lot, but if we take the car's rego fee as the benchmark, then some truck drivers are paying nowhere near enough, when you consider that a fully laden B-double can do 20,000 times the damage to a road that a typical car will.

personally, I'd be happy for bike rego to be completely free, maybe a token contribution toward some sort of cyclists insurance scheme. just have them accountable in some way, eg. a licence (so you can request details if an accident occurs), and/or plate so they can be identified. I suspect even with it being no-cost, the biking lobby would still resist it.

[Xauterus]

So by your own statement a bicycle is a vehicle. Therefore it has a place on the road. The only reason for cyclists to ride on a footpath is because road conditions are too dangerous.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Xauterus

So by your own statement a bicycle is a vehicle. Therefore it has a place on the road.

A ride-on lawnmower is a vehicle. A mobility scooter is a vehicle. Want to share the roads with them?

[Xauterus]

It is not legal to ride a mower on the road. A train needs tracks so will not be sharing a road. Trains cant swerve either.

[aussiblue]

Well there was a time when trains in Midland Junction WA shared the road with cars. You can still see the lines embedded in asphalt in places.

[flooded one]

in Queensland them mobile scooter things for the disabled have to be registered and they don't even get to use the road!! I don't know why Cyclists get in such a uproar about rego??

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by marty351

Playstation 2? you old fart....

N64, PS1 and PC, the first two Tony Hawk games were pre PS2, I had the second one on PC as a laddy.

Its one of the highest ranking video games of all time according to multiple reviews and it scored very highly back then.

How times change.

Mind you given that I'm only 23, I've been playing games through 5 out of the 8 generations of game consoles, If there was an 'oldies' thread for gamers I'd be up there

Originally Posted by tempted

In follow up to the video I posted of the truck, this may help to put into perspective what a truck actually pays to use the road. This is what a relative of mine who runs his own business pays to register a prime mover.
As you can see, there is a 'road user fee' of almost $5000. Now why should cyclists who pay ZERO road user fees even have the right to be on the road, let alone demand the same rights and space as paying users. Its ludicrous.
The pencil pushers who dream up these laws giving cyclists rights should get out from behind their desks and out into the real world, where they will see that there is simply no place for cyclists on the roads. Motor vehicles and bicycles are like water and oil - they do not mix!
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Except most cyclists own a car, which is sitting in their driveway when they're on their pushbike

I own 3 cars which are all fully registered (used to be 4 cars), therefore I have more rights to use the road than you.

Fortunately it doesn't work that way.

This is an easy subject to bring politics into, but for the sake of this thread's health, I won't mention anything.

[FGX-351]

lol i'm 27 and I still own just about evey old console(bit of a hobby).
I remember the Tony hawke days like it was yesterday, good times.

Been skating on rolle/inline since I was 8 & havent given it up, its coming back in QLD.
If you type in stafford skate cente into youtube ive put up heaps of vids.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by tempted

I don't see what relevance pedestrians have in this matter. They cross the road to get to the other side and that's it. They don't walk along main roads taking up entire lanes forcing motorists to avoid them.
A pedestrian is not classed as a vehicle. A bicycle is.

Pedestrians use the roads at no charge just like bikes!

[aussiblue]

Pedestrians use the roads at no charge just like bikes!

Actually they mainly use footpaths and rarely run over other traffic :-) But there is always an exception: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86uZJfj3DI

[aussiblue]

Then there is passive revenge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6FqvKVh4Ro

..and remember to put the handbrake on before you get out to respond to an aggro pedestrian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7J2j5Byh0Q

And don't upset old ladies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qz6TT1v_I0

[mik]

Originally Posted by b0son

tempted, it may sound like a lot, but if we take the car's rego fee as the benchmark, then some truck drivers are paying nowhere near enough, when you consider that a fully laden B-double can do 20,000 times the damage to a road that a typical car will.

personally, I'd be happy for bike rego to be completely free, maybe a token contribution toward some sort of cyclists insurance scheme. just have them accountable in some way, eg. a licence (so you can request details if an accident occurs), and/or plate so they can be identified. I suspect even with it being no-cost, the biking lobby would still resist it.

hehehe your joking right ?? you wanna pay 50 buks for a loaf of bread ???
a standard b double already pays about 16000 PA for the privilege of driving on our roads, not to mention higher fuel prices.

[csv8]

Cyclists have an attitude that they can dictate their road rules and ignore the majority. Look at the ridiculous situation in Queensland , where cars etc have to give 1m>1.5m clearance?? from Jan 1 can ride across zebra crossings and don't have to stay in cycleways!!! Its time cyclists took responsiblity for their actions and not inconveinience other road users..and paid rego, over the age of 18.....http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Que...oad-rules.aspx
Cyclists in bicycle lanes

From 1 January 2015, a cyclist will be able to choose whether or not they wish to ride in a bicycle lane where one is provided. The lane is there if they wish to use it but they will not be obliged to use it.

This change is consistent with the rules for other special purpose lanes (for example, buses do not have to use bus lanes and drivers do not have to use transit lanes). It will take away an unnecessary limitation on cyclists using the road as legitimate road users.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by mik

hehehe your joking right ?? you wanna pay 50 buks for a loaf of bread ???
a standard b double already pays about 16000 PA for the privilege of driving on our roads, not to mention higher fuel prices.

Yeah true. Give the truckies a break if anything. Imagine if they went on strike...go down to the local supermarket in a weeks time, and all you would see is 500 people fighting over the last can of Pal.

[mik]

Originally Posted by csv8

Cyclists have an attitude that they can dictate their road rules and ignore the majority. Look at the ridiculous situation in Queensland , where cars etc have to give 1m>1.5m clearance?? from Jan 1 can ride across zebra crossings and don't have to stay in cycleways!!! Its time cyclists took responsiblity for their actions and not inconveinience other road users..and paid rego, over the age of 18.....http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Que...oad-rules.aspx
Cyclists in bicycle lanes

From 1 January 2015, a cyclist will be able to choose whether or not they wish to ride in a bicycle lane where one is provided. The lane is there if they wish to use it but they will not be obliged to use it.

This change is consistent with the rules for other special purpose lanes (for example, buses do not have to use bus lanes and drivers do not have to use transit lanes). It will take away an unnecessary limitation on cyclists using the road as legitimate road users.

Yes, the 1 metre or 1.5 metre clearance issue will be interesting, so in theory on a single lane heavily trafficked narrow road, basically you could have one meandering cyclist wobbling his way down the road holding up a kilometre of cars in peak hour if motorists where to follow the law(fat chance) to the letter,
either that or they will have to overtake on the wrong side of the road.

at least one good thing happening , in the next paragraph it says cyclist fines are going to be more in line with other road users,
good for the goose. ....... good for the gander.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

Actually they mainly use footpaths and rarely run over other traffic :-)

I suppose we should be thankful that the cycling fraternity don't have their version of Harold Scruby !

[MAD]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

I think the problem here is more how is the victim covered? Even if there is harsher punishment how do we look after the innocent person?

May have been covered already but the simple answer is free healthcare.
Yeah, yeah, it's not actually free, but this is somewhere I want my taxes going.

Don't forget that the savings on all other gap filling insurances would be significant.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by MAD

May have been covered already but the simple answer is free healthcare.
Yeah, yeah, it's not actually free, but this is somewhere I want my taxes going.

Don't forget that the savings on all other gap filling insurances would be significant.

Free health care doesn’t offer enough if the victim has to spend the rest of their life in a chair.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by tempted

But a pedestrian isn't a vehicle.

So what?
They're still a road user.