Gt Ho 428??? - Page 3

dom_105 · 28-10-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It was painted blue by Ford after the R&D had been done on it and had the decals added to be shown as the EA GT351 concept at one of the motorshows. It was then sent to be crushed after they had finished with it. Some of the PD guys didn't want it to be crushed so they hid it somewhere inside the proving ground where it was dicovered about 10 years later. It was then sent to the Gordon to be restored. I remember seeing it inside the spray booth when I was attending the Gordon in 99, and I thought thats a pretty good looking EA, I wonder who's it is. A little bit later it was revealed as the EA GT351 protype which was a bit of a spinout. It was still red in the engine bay when I saw it being restored.

Engine bay is still red, as of 2005

Must make the trek down to the Discovery Centre.

nugget378 · 28-10-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

a 428 HO verses a 308 LC torrie
well in cercuit racing you must turn left eventualy,
so when you open the drivers door and stick your foot out
it depends on how much tread you dunlop volley's have.

Have you ever driven a 308 equipped LC or LJ?
A good friend of mine has one,and turning of any sort is certainly not its strong suit,in fact they are generally thought of as a drag only car,they handle that bad..
Dont assume that it would handle any better than a BB equpped falcon,one of which I have also driven...

burnz · 28-10-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Have you ever driven a 308 equipped LC or LJ?
A good friend of mine has one,and turning of any sort is certainly not its strong suit,in fact they are generally thought of as a drag only car,they handle that bad..
Dont assume that it would handle any better than a BB equpped falcon,one of which I have also driven...

100% agree please reread my first post.
handeling isnt the main problem (manhandle)
the brakes is what i'm refering to. on both car's

sleekism · 28-10-2007, 06:32 PM

I don't doubt that the big block could be a weapon but remember that all the circuit V8's were small blocks.

Remember Ford built two BOSS Mustangs in 1969.

The BOSS 302 small block for trans-am
The BOSS 429 for NASCAR

The big blocks lived in NASCAR where handling wasn't hugely important.

If you were campaigning a big block better hope it's a monster on the straights.

What would have been the biggest weapon would have been a Valiant Charger with a 426 Hemi or 440BB. But seeing as the Dodge Challenger hemi had 70/30 front/rear distribution handling again would have been an issue.

vztrt · 28-10-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xe351

i wonder what car tom gormon drives? he should look at this

He drove an e-gas wagon early last year (to try and get some of the other employees to take one as a company car). But like the other executives (high up) it'll be an FPV as they don't pay for fuel.

BAxtER · 28-10-2007, 07:08 PM

can someone clarify for me as i have no idea but would like to know. Does ford keep the number 1 build cars of the models (40th anniversary GT, Cobra 302) or do they sell em off like any other car, or does a lucky executive keep it. Also same question for build number 302 in the cobra and 40 in the 40th anniversary GT.
Cheers

fpvgtp · 28-10-2007, 09:33 PM

Info gained while talking to FPV rep at Sydney motor show Cobra 1 is going to best metro dealer and Cobra 302 is going to best regional dealer. Who decides and when this happens i do not know.

**Charliewool** · 03-11-2007, 09:18 PM

Just cleaning my garage up and came across "Essential Falcon GT calendar 2004"

January's feature is titled "R Code original" (NSW rego THE428)

"Scott Hill said he was in the right place at the right time when he heard this GT had been traded to a Mercedes dealer in Sydney. Scott snapped up the car, knowing it was once the personal transport of Bill Bourke. Bourke had the car built up in Broadmeadows factory and is, according to Scott, the only factory built and tagged R coded four door car in the world.
The genisis of this car was actually the Super-Roo show car displayed at the 1969 Melb Motor Show.
That was a two door XT Falcon coupe, with R code option fitted... a 428 Cobra Jet engine with Ram-Air.
After the motor show that car was stripped at the factory and the engine and the Mustang Mach 1 seats were put into this XW shell, as well as a sunroof, air conditioning, power steering and a 31 spline 9" diff.
Other unique features include the XY bonnet locks, rally style map light and the black paint with gold meatallic stripes.
It also originally had Torque Thrust American Racing alloy wheels, which Scott still has, but now rides on Ford Torino 5 slot wheels from the States.

I know it IS ONLY a calendar!... But wonder how close to the fact??

Other featured cars are a few XY's, XWs, a Springtime Yellow XTGT, a Skyview blue RPO83 XA, Dunlop's wild Violet ute, panelvan, and sedan, and the Firth/Gibson Ivy Green XRGT which won Bathurst after a lap counting error in which the Geoghegan Bros White XRGT actually received the chequered flag.

XTGT Code Z · 04-11-2007, 01:48 PM

bill bourke's 428 xw was built in the states, as said earlier by 4vman, and the story in amc #14 is the truth.
it was a present from the head of fomoco in the us, after he visited australia in the late 60's, and had many new style bits and pieces that took a few more years before they were available on local falcons. obviously the 428 was never one of them.

tom gorman does drive a bfII gtp at the moment.
he did have an e-gas wagon for a very short time before that, but it was only a fill-in until his gtp was ready.
he had a typhoon before that, usually has an fpv product these days, and he gets a new one every 6 months or so.
this comes from a source thats in the right place at ford hq in broadmeadows.

13-03-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

the only factory built and tagged R coded four door car in the world.

Greetings from the States!

I would be willing to bet that it's not the only 4-door CJ in the world.

BadMac · 13-03-2008, 08:24 AM

Funny that this thread comes back up today. The car is for sale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...link:middle:us

How much will it go for?

sleekism · 13-03-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by |||

thats a shame it never got the go ahead. a 428 powered phase 4 would have thrashed the xu2s

From what I remember reading Ford was trialling XA Falcons with FE family big blocks and the result was they understeered like pigs especially in the wet where you would turn the steering wheel and the car would keep going straight.

Big-blocks have never been good track cars wunless of course you call NASCAR circuit race.

Even Chrysler which had the mighty 426 Hemi used the LA family 340ci small block for circuit racing (Trans am) and from what I have heard the Chrysler 340ci was quite a weapon.

klawsterfobik · 13-03-2008, 09:16 AM

Holy Moly.... that would be one hell of a car to own.

I don't know if it will sell for 300k plus though, my thoughts are around the $250k mark.

Would save me the hassel of putting a big block in the XY! I do hope that it stays in Australia though

Rob · 13-03-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by klawsterfobik

Holy Moly.... that would be one hell of a car to own.

I don't know if it will sell for 300k plus though, my thoughts are around the $250k mark.

Would save me the hassel of putting a big block in the XY! I do hope that it stays in Australia though

It would be such a shame if it ended up in the US :(

4Vman · 13-03-2008, 10:22 AM

I really don't understand why its been advertised this way, the car has no relevance to the Americans, despite all the claims its not a factory R code vehicle, it left ford's line as a T code 351W, the plate says T code, Fords records list it as engine code T.
Ford US also fitted 428's to other 4 door special vehicles, so its not the only 428 powered 4 door in the world either...
The 428 was fitted in the states as a project/present for Bill Bourke. The car has sentimental significance to Australian GT enthusiasts, and is an important part of our GT history, but as a 4 door Aussie sedan i can't see it attracting more interest in the US than here.

**Charliewool** · 13-03-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

From what I remember reading Ford was trialling XA Falcons with FE family big blocks and the result was they understeered like pigs especially in the wet where you would turn the steering wheel and the car would keep going straight.

Big-blocks have never been good track cars wunless of course you call NASCAR circuit race.

Even Chrysler which had the mighty 426 Hemi used the LA family 340ci small block for circuit racing (Trans am) and from what I have heard the Chrysler 340ci was quite a weapon.

Apart from maybe a tunnel-port 427, I wouldn't entertain a FE block in any Aust bodied car. Just a glorified 1959 (332) boat-anchor.
I would also suggest a 351 (HO) Cleveland would have more factory ponies than a 428CJ, or even a 428SCJ?
(Flame away)

4Vman · 13-03-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

Apart from maybe a tunnel-port 427, I wouldn't entertain a FE block in any Aust bodied car. Just a glorified 1959 (332) boat-anchor.
I would also suggest a 351 (HO) Cleveland would have more factory ponies than a 428CJ, or even a 428SCJ?
(Flame away)

This is exactly why big blocks didnt find their way into our HO's and GT's, because the balance of the car was upset to the point where lap times were slower despite the extra torque.
Having driven a HO and 428 GT500 mustang back to back the HO's 351 had better throttle response than the 428, and it liked to rev more too, the only advantage the 428 had was torque and the ability to use a higher gear, but on a track the HO would have eaten it alive.
For the same reason Moffats Boss 302 mustang lapped quicker with the Boss 302 engine than it did with the 351 Cleveland, despite being 50HP down compared to the clevo.

freaky · 13-03-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BadMac

Funny that this thread comes back up today. The car is for sale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...link:middle:us

How much will it go for?

Interesting. In the article posted above he states

"I'll keep it, my son will have it. I'll never sell it, never in a million years."

F6 R-Spec · 13-03-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by freaky

Interesting. In the article posted above he states

"I'll keep it, my son will have it. I'll never sell it, never in a million years."

I remember that statement he made, what a tossa. :togo:
He picked it up for a bargan as well.

ltd · 13-03-2008, 01:41 PM

See, I told everyone the interest rates where going to hurt.

Seriously though, that's pretty cheap for a one off GT.
Maybe it's a scam?
Oh, and as for the guy who attacked 4V a couple of pages back; mate, you are outclassed and I'd quit before looking really foolish.

klawsterfobik · 13-03-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The 428 was fitted in the states as a project/present for Bill Bourke. The car has sentimental significance to Australian GT enthusiasts, and is an important part of our GT history, but as a 4 door Aussie sedan i can't see it attracting more interest in the US than here.

My thoughts exactly.

For Australian enthusiasts it holds a lot of importance, but the majority of yanks wouldn't know a Falcon GT unless it was a coupe! He would have got more interest advertising it in Unique Cars (would have made the cover easily!) and putting the word out though GT clubs around the county than putting it on eBay in the US.

*shrugs* If it doesn't hit his reserve (which would be interesting to know) he might go down that route.

RedHotGT · 21-10-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 10secondET

what about the lime green xy gt with a 460 it was a one off and was burried smack bang in the middle of the proving grounds back in the 70s in a container rappted in plastic and covered in oil it was doug up 2 or 3 years ago and was totaly rotted

Another big thread mine from Loftie...

So - did any proof or photos ever come of this 'illeged' discovery????

fmc351 · 21-10-2010, 05:14 PM

I saw this XW in unique cars back in the late 80's. It was a full page ad, listed for $40k, I thought it was one of those my dads uncles best mates friends got this from the CEO of Ford because yadda yadda. If only I knew.... I could have been spewing I diodnt have a spare $40k at the time instead of thinking yeah yeah whatever you say mate.

On the car being dug up, maybe it was the result of Chinese whispers and that Plymouth that they pulled from the ground, container had filled with water over time.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/16/t...a-rust-bucket/

**Polyal** · 21-10-2010, 05:25 PM

Whats with the thread mines lately....just to stir it up.

BB XW > XY GTHO

**Revolver** · 21-10-2010, 09:24 PM

Just made a compete fool of myself. Didn't even check the first post date & time, thinking that the 3 pages were recent..... Then saw lofties post from today.

Be good to see a photo of this buried GT. Very. But what would a Plymouth being doing at the proving grounds??? & what model??? Thats made serious ?????????? Go 'round my head....

XAGSV8 · 21-10-2010, 09:48 PM

Ha Ha, rep points added for been unashamed & proud of thread mining.

TC200six · 21-10-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

On the car being dug up, maybe it was the result of Chinese whispers and that Plymouth that they pulled from the ground, container had filled with water over time.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/16/t...a-rust-bucket/

That story was featured on an episode of American Hot Rod (I think, or possibly a similar car show on Discovery Channel). It's shame they didn't seal it away above ground in a building or something because it was a shame to see what would have been such a nice looking '50s American car wasted like that.

As for the rumour of a so-called one-off Falcon time capsule that failed... I'll believe it one I see concrete evidence, but the thought of it disturbs me.

RedHotGT · 22-10-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by XAGSV8

Ha Ha, rep points added for been unashamed & proud of thread mining.

Oh its a bit of fun...

Sometimes I'm not really contributing to 'current' threads... and rather than a

i figured a bit of a DIG won't go astray...

munkky · 22-10-2010, 03:49 PM

i love this thing

Phantom Phord · 22-10-2010, 09:56 PM

All hail, Bill Bourke!

Dead set LEGEND!