I am throwing down the gauntlet!!! - Page 2

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 05:05 PM

Thanks Maurie.I dont know what the result will be but Im gonna do my best!!

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Damo · 15-10-2006, 09:07 PM

my best is 92 mph with a DEV 4 cam, hardly a power house. I have a unichip to go in very soon, and if the cam still doesn't cut the mustard it will be coming out. I'd love to see the cars making 99mph with a dev 4 ?

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Damo

my best is 92 mph with a DEV 4 cam, hardly a power house. I have a unichip to go in very soon, and if the cam still doesn't cut the mustard it will be coming out. I'd love to see the cars making 99mph with a dev 4 ?

My best mph was 92.71 with the dev4 cam.To reach my goal I must get to 100 to 102mph terminal speed .Have you raced the dev 4? I cant say it had big top end ,however with a good tune they have a great power curve.

JC · 15-10-2006, 10:57 PM

Based on any I6 (not just AU) that runs 13s, you will not have a car that is capable of that time, AND keep it streetable. It's one or the other. Good on you for having a go, but there are cheaper & proven ways to do it then NA.

stiddy · 15-10-2006, 11:10 PM

I dont think the dev4 is capable of reaching 99-100mph EVER unless you have 100hp nos kit running aswell :P but thats not counted as NA..

Ditch the cam, what your ported head on, a better cam new tune and then go.

**Stav** · 16-10-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

I dont think the dev4 is capable of reaching 99-100mph EVER unless you have 100hp nos kit running aswell :P but thats not counted as NA..

Ditch the cam, what your ported head on, a better cam new tune and then go.

Only one way to know..change it and see.I will stick a standard one in..just to compare.

FS5 · 16-10-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Well tonight I decided to go for it 100% .I am aiming at the 13 second bracket from here on in .My plans will take a few months but I dont see why no one has reached the 13 second bracket.All the dilly dally ,dancing girls and then what? No ones done it.Bah!!

Will I do it is anyones guess but there you go.Is anyone else trying ?

well i think i'm going to have crack at a 13 now to mate , i've spent to much money now to give up.
i reckon you should be able to get 95/97 mph out of the dev 4.i got 95mph out of it in mine without headwork.so with a decent head it should be achievable.
if they can get an unopened ba i6 into the 13's surely a cammed up au wagon's in for a chance.
good luck with it mate.

Casper · 16-10-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FS5

well i think i'm going to have crack at a 13 now to mate , i've spent to much money now to give up.
i reckon you should be able to get 95/97 mph out of the dev 4.i got 95mph out of it in mine without headwork.so with a decent head it should be achievable.
if they can get an unopened ba i6 into the 13's surely a cammed up au wagon's in for a chance.
good luck with it mate.

No unopened I6 BA in NA form has EVER run a 13.

JC · 16-10-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

No unopened I6 BA in NA form has EVER run a 13.

If it's never been opened, how do they change the oil? You at least have to open the Oil filler cap (a 710 cap).

All this crap about opened, unopened - it's either stock, or it's modified. If modified, it's either NA or forced induction. What difference does it make if it's "unopened".

By unopened, the inference is that it has stock crank, pistons etc, but does that fact the you can change a cam without opening the engine make it unopened - I don't think so. That's an internal part that's been changed; to do that, a part of the engine somwehere has to have been opened to remove the cam.

So, back to what I said at the start; it's either stock, or modified.

Casper · 16-10-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

If it's never been opened, how do they change the oil? You at least have to open the Oil filler cap (a 710 cap).

All this crap about opened, unopened - it's either stock, or it's modified. If modified, it's either NA or forced induction. What difference does it make if it's "unopened".

By unopened, the inference is that it has stock crank, pistons etc, but does that fact the you can change a cam without opening the engine make it unopened - I don't think so. That's an internal part that's been changed; to do that, a part of the engine somwehere has to have been opened to remove the cam.

So, back to what I said at the start; it's either stock, or modified.

Opened effectively means that the engine in in the same configuration and using the same parts as it came with from the factory. Anything that has been changed from factory settings deems it opened. A new cam is most certainly opened. Even changing the cam settings is deemed opened.

As for the difference and who cares.. some people do. Its not everyones cup of tea and if you are not into dragracing then you probably dont care (and thats cool) but some of us do care and given this thread is about drag racing and the point was made than an unopened BA has run 13's, I was simply clarifying that the only BA I6 NA to run 13's was most DEFINATLY opened.

poolkeeper · 16-10-2006, 04:41 PM

3 phases.
unopened, na, forced
Thats how I see it...

Sourbastard · 16-10-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Buy a V8.

buy a polarizer.

jonbays · 16-10-2006, 05:02 PM

Unopened is such a w#$*. If i put a BA engine in my AU is it unopened? If I put an AU engine in my EB is it unopened? If I put a DOHC head on my AU is it unopened?

None of it makes any sense to me.

Sourbastard · 16-10-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbays

Unopened is such a w#$*. If i put a BA engine in my AU is it unopened? If I put an AU engine in my EB is it unopened? If I put a DOHC head on my AU is it unopened?

None of it makes any sense to me.

i have the feeling the whole opened/unopened debate is mostly for people with something to prove.

For me personally, dont care, if I can afford to do it and go faster, ill do it. unopened, unsalted, unsaturated, undressed and undernourished.

GreenMachine · 16-10-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

For me personally, dont care, if I can afford to do it and go faster, ill do it. unopened, unsalted, unsaturated, undressed and undernourished.

Your Xp's going to run a Windsor, isn't it Dave? You should add "un-derpowered" to that list...

But yes - unopened is a **** to allow people with relatively good times and not enough money or skills to crack a few bolts to attain "fastest unopened blue street tyred BA GT registered in Qld in '05" titles...

Sourbastard · 16-10-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Your Xp's going to run a Windsor, isn't it Dave? You should add "un-derpowered" to that list...

I dont need power, my car weighs less than the bonnet of the marquis.

EFFalcon · 16-10-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Based on any I6 (not just AU) that runs 13s, you will not have a car that is capable of that time, AND keep it streetable. It's one or the other. Good on you for having a go, but there are cheaper & proven ways to do it then NA.

i've seen 2 13 second EB/ED's that were perfectly streetable, no slicks, no weight reduction, true street trim and all N/A.

Sourbastard · 16-10-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

i've seen 2 13 second EB/ED's that were perfectly streetable, no slicks, no weight reduction, true street trim and all N/A.

ive seen alot of 213 second EB's as well. You would have thought they would have given up at 60 seconds.

FS5 · 16-10-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

No unopened I6 BA in NA form has EVER run a 13.

i was under the impression that jmm had a ba running 13's .i must have got my wires crossed with something else.

sorry.

FS5 · 16-10-2006, 05:45 PM

stav,i apoligize for starting a ******fight on your thread.

OED666 · 16-10-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

A 13 second NA I6 would be an animal to drive on the streets (read, not comfortable).

My car is completely streetable, see sig for qtr time... My little brother is learning to drive in it... The difference with useless is that his is an Auto. It will be awesome when an Auto, N/A 6 is in the 13's.

Casper · 16-10-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FS5

i was under the impression that jmm had a ba running 13's .i must have got my wires crossed with something else.

sorry.

they do.. but its not running a stock engine. Its been opened in a big way.

xr8ute · 16-10-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

they do.. but its not running a stock engine. Its been opened in a big way.

What sort of internal mods Casper?

Casper · 16-10-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

What sort of internal mods Casper?

not sure, was a fair while back that I saw it (Feb I think) and it had no cams in it at the time.

Sleeperau · 17-10-2006, 01:15 AM

N/A I6 AU auto wagon..... mmmm. If you get there please relay the secrets. If anyone will, you will, good luck Stav.

JC · 17-10-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Opened effectively means that the engine in in the same configuration and using the same parts as it came with from the factory. Anything that has been changed from factory settings deems it opened. A new cam is most certainly opened. Even changing the cam settings is deemed opened.

As for the difference and who cares.. some people do. Its not everyones cup of tea and if you are not into dragracing then you probably dont care (and thats cool) but some of us do care and given this thread is about drag racing and the point was made than an unopened BA has run 13's, I was simply clarifying that the only BA I6 NA to run 13's was most DEFINATLY opened.

Fair Enough (I assume your first line is "Unopened" - not opened - or there is a not missing somewhere).

So Useless' car would count as opened, but if the parts go back to stock, does it becomes unopened, or opened then closed? LOL.

Do extractors count as opened? what about exhasut. If not, why not? Isn't opened/unopened so that every car can be the fastest in it's own unique category? eg:
1. Fastest unopened, chipped with exhaust BA GT
2. Fastest unopened, exhaust and Pod BA XR6T
3. Fastest opened, no chip, no exhaust AU I6 Forte Auto missing second gear.

etc.

OK, just trying to have fun! I get the thing about opened and unopened, but to get under 14 seconds, the car needs to be opened, let alone into the 13s. (Oh hang on, that's the same thing!).

JC · 17-10-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OED666

My car is completely streetable, see sig for qtr time... My little brother is learning to drive in it... The difference with useless is that his is an Auto. It will be awesome when an Auto, N/A 6 is in the 13's.

Sorry, and it's not that I don't believe you or anything, but what real compromises do you make or little things do you tell to yourself to determine that it is "completely streetable"? And I'm not having a go at you in particular. As an example, I could say my car runs great on LPG (if I ignore the very lumpy idle). See what I mean - if I left the bit in brackets out, no-one would be the wiser, and I could just claim that my car runs as well on LPG as it does on petrol, and that statement is true for every single instance - apart from when it's idling.

Anyway, now I will say something personal to you - great time! The same engine/power/trans/diff combo in an AU would not be as quick due to extra weight, so maybe you can see why I'm sceptical about a totally streetable NA AU I6 in the 13s. Turbo costs the same/less, and is more user friendly and reliable (at low boost), and will see 13s easily.

My own opinion is that once you start to modify (ie change the car from unopened) looking for outright speed, you might as well do it properly. Any other way is just a waste of money, or maybe just to give bragging rights for a particualr class (ie fastest AU NA opened but non-turboed, but edited....de da de da de da), but at what cost to the useability of the car? Keeping in mind that useless wagon is his work car, and family hack too. Of course, should he reach his target, I will be buying ahead for him to port, and try any of the many other tricks he has thrown at the beast. I would love to scare V8s in my 6, but to be honest, I don't have the time or the money to chop approx 3 seconds off my 1/4 mile time!

EFFalcon · 17-10-2006, 01:51 AM

isnt that Blue AU 6 AUTO running 14.2 or something?
with claimed stock head and cam.. should be a 13 from that thing fairly easy with a head and cam change?

Casper · 17-10-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

OK, just trying to have fun! I get the thing about opened and unopened, but to get under 14 seconds, the car needs to be opened, let alone into the 13s. (Oh hang on, that's the same thing!).

Not true, theres a few of us running unopened 14's. DeathXR and Stiddy in their manuals, mine and originally Hamo in autos, probably a few others. Neither DeathXR, Stiddy, Hamo or myself had changed the engines in any way to run 14's.

Tripower is running a 14.2 with stock head and cam (although the cam has been adjusted and vernier gear added so it is opened now) as well. 14's is very possible on an unopened and/or stock cam/headed AU I6's.

proma · 17-10-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Not true, theres a few of us running unopened 14's. DeathXR and Stiddy in their manuals, mine and originally Hamo in autos, probably a few others. Neither DeathXR, Stiddy, Hamo or myself had changed the engines in any way to run 14's.

Tripower is running a 14.2 with stock head and cam (although the cam has been adjusted and vernier gear added so it is opened now) as well. 14's is very possible on an unopened and/or stock cam/headed AU I6's.

Casper your car has had vernier gears fitted,that means it's opened?