47 P Platers loose their licence every day in Vic.

4Vman · 25-11-2008, 04:05 PM

I can't believe these numbers??!!
47 P Platers loose their license every day in Victoria, 17000 per year.. up 40% over the past 5 years.
Drink driving up 60% in past 5 years.?

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...84-661,00.html

XWGT · 25-11-2008, 04:07 PM

Wow, couldnt be many left surely????????

poolkeeper · 25-11-2008, 05:05 PM

haha we love our super fast put put non turbo cars rofl

uranium_death · 25-11-2008, 05:58 PM

In that case...47 P-Platers should 'tighten' their license everyday, then it won't come apart.

Also means less tools on the road...mind you, I'm 25 and a P-Plater, but reckon I'm a lot more responsible than I was when I was 20 even...though that isn't saying much.

Wally · 25-11-2008, 07:13 PM

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Young drivers needed to be encouraged to recognise the importance of safe driving.

"It takes some time to build up the skills and experience to be a safe driver," she said

Obviously the cops have zero tolerance and the P plates are a handy way of targetting the unsafe, because it's apparently a give that it takes time to build up the safety skills through experience..... something that isn't going to happen if they keep losing their licence because they aren't allowed the same accumulated points transgressions as a "safe" driver.

jaydee · 25-11-2008, 07:17 PM

On any wet day you'd only have to park up at a busy intersection and every 2nd P plater that came around the corner would be fishtailing, they make it so easy for the cops. In WA thats careless driving and automatic loss of license for a P plater.
I'd like to see how many are still driving though with a suspended license, just about all I'd say.

Airmon · 25-11-2008, 07:45 PM

Well they keep making the laws harder and losing your license easier, with operations focusing solely on P-Plater drivers what do you expect? There will be more P-Platers getting booked.

Everyone complains when P-Platers die on the road, now its because they lose their license, which does everyone prefer?

**Peuty** · 25-11-2008, 07:53 PM

I don't think anybody is complaining Airmon, simply stating facts.

Trevor 57 · 25-11-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I can't believe these numbers??!!
47 P Platers loose their license every day in Victoria, 17000 per year.. up 40% over the past 5 years.
Drink driving up 60% in past 5 years.?

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...84-661,00.html

One of the reasons is the Government has reduced the 12 points for drivers to 5 points for P Platers, and one of their more stupid laws dictates that P Platers will loose 3 points for not displaying a P Plate, FFS, convince me of the life saving advantages of not having a bit of plastic in your front and rear windows.

Trevor 57 · 25-11-2008, 08:04 PM

I have an office in a TAFE in the trades area and day after day I sit there and listen to the apprentices take off from the carpark down the street doing wheelies, the local Police have woken up to this fact and sit there in unmarked cars and grab them one after the other.

poolkeeper · 25-11-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

One of the reasons is the Government has reduced the 12 points for drivers to 5 points for P Platers, and one of their more stupid laws dictates that P Platers will loose 3 points for not displaying a P Plate, FFS, convince me of the life saving advantages of not having a bit of plastic in your front and rear windows.

Yeah I nearly got done for not displaying my p plates properly. Last time I check my windows were clear. Dumb rules I say

FPV8U · 25-11-2008, 08:11 PM

P plater/young driver thread overload..

Trevor 57 · 25-11-2008, 08:13 PM

Don't read it then

Airmon · 25-11-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

I don't think anybody is complaining Airmon, simply stating facts.

Good point mate, I may have jumped the gun.
I just expected it to turn into another P-Plate bashing thread.

rodderz · 25-11-2008, 08:21 PM

I think they should make the licensing system harder and focus just as much on driver training. If that makes it more expensive, so be it. The youngins have a goal to work towards and come out a better driver. Seems to work well in Europe.

The other thing with those stats is that the population has also grown quicker the last few years, so all numbers will be up

Marduk · 25-11-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

On any wet day you'd only have to park up at a busy intersection and every 2nd P plater that came around the corner would be fishtailing, they make it so easy for the cops. In WA thats careless driving and automatic loss of license for a P plater.
I'd like to see how many are still driving though with a suspended license, just about all I'd say.

That's why you drive to the conditions. You're going to fast if you're fishtailing. And it's not that hard to keep to the speed limit. But it would be nice if the cops would concentrate on full license drivers as much as they do on P Platers. No wonder so many P Platers get caught when the cops clearly ignore fully licensed drivers who blatantly break the law.

**Falcon Coupe** · 25-11-2008, 09:40 PM

The stats show the last 5 years, i believe P plate drivers have less points to start with now than back then, if this is the case then naturally more would lose their license.

nugget378 · 25-11-2008, 09:42 PM

I reckon if I only had 3 or 4 points on my license I would have lost it 47 times over the years..Its not that much of a big deal is it?
I mean you'd loose it for any of a number of small offenses..

[Tonko] · 25-11-2008, 09:42 PM

Dosent suprise me, out of my group of close mates (20 or so) only 3 of us didnt get a demerit point, and 9 lost their licences for drinking, speeding or through impound.
Most have learnt...

castek · 25-11-2008, 09:51 PM

i always tread carefully when i'm driving. cant afford to lose my license. most of my mates have lost points or license, and most for little things. one because his new green p's fell off, others for 5 k's over.

one was an idiot and got caught racing, so i dont blame anyone but him for losing it

snappy · 25-11-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

The stats show the last 5 years, i believe P plate drivers have less points to start with now than back then, if this is the case then naturally more would lose their license.

That statement is very true . When i was a p-plater i was done doin 110kph in a work ute . that was not my usual car . Any way was done for speeding and forgot to put my p-plate up that was 6 points total. Bang license was lost.
But to say 60% of drink driving is a disgrace. An clearly a reflection of the attitude of teenagers and have any noticed this while hiring them .
I am not trying to get on a high horse because i was no angel at that age but alot of these you fell'as i meet would roll me when it comes to doing stupid things

Auslandau · 25-11-2008, 10:03 PM

So how many are driving without a license, uninsured because they need to get to work? I did see a figure not long ago on the number of people driving without a license. In Vic over the past 5 years has increased by a stupid amount ..... just can't recall. Causes another problem out there and I think is a bit more serious one!

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chevypower · 26-11-2008, 05:29 AM

Didnt they extend the length of P plates in Australia? That would have something to do with it. They could make everybody a P-plater and the stats would go up higher again. If they took away P-plates, then there would be zero P-plate license suspensions.

Tobey · 26-11-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Didnt they extend the length of P plates in Australia? That would have something to do with it. They could make everybody a P-plater and the stats would go up higher again.

A few years back they put up the P plate length to three years. But IIRC that was more than 5 years ago.

Its stupid things like having your P's on the out side of the car (which makes them more susceptible to falling off) that makes it so easy to loose your license. On a long weekend if you have no P's on your license is gone. Bit stupid really.

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If they took away P-plates, then there would be zero P-plate license suspensions.

It seems a bit stupid that they need something like P plates to be displayed. I can understand L's, but by the time you finish your L's you shouldnt be able to be singled out from the rest of the drivers. This just allows P Platers to be targeted.

Fev · 26-11-2008, 10:05 AM

i wonder what the percentage is of those p-platers that lost their license through - not having a p-plate displayed or silly things like that?

Dezza · 26-11-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by snappy84

That statement is very true . When i was a p-plater i was done doin 110kph in a work ute . that was not my usual car . Any way was done for speeding and forgot to put my p-plate up that was 6 points total. Bang license was lost.

True. When I was a p-plater I got 2 fines. First was failure to give way which carried 3 demerit points, and 1 for doing 115 in a 100 zone. I got 1 point for that. Now I was allowed to get a maximum of 12 points back then (2002), so my 4 points was nowhere near the limit. I haven't had a point since.

These days, if a p-plater does the same 2 incidents, they'd lose their license. 15kph over now carries 3 points, not 1, and the limit is now only about 4 or 5. So basically some offenses deserve instant loss of license but too many p-platers are losing their license for trivial matters.

FPV8U · 26-11-2008, 12:17 PM

Would love to see the percentage breakdown as to what the loss of licence is for..

+ 1 for Displaying P Plates is a joke.. Maybe the first year but 3 (Or is it 4 Now in Vic?).. we all know what they are really there for.

Daymoe · 26-11-2008, 12:21 PM

Its 4 years now in Victoria.

balthazarr · 26-11-2008, 12:30 PM

I've got the flame suit ready...

Maybe the reason so many P platers are losing their licence is because it's too easy to get a licence in the first place?

I agree, a breakdown of the offences would be good - though I suspect that the majority would be for minor offences, so it would never be released.

I'm not in any way condoning drink-driving, but remember that 'drink driving' for a P plater means any alcohol reading... one drink after work means you can't drive for quite a while.

Daymoe · 26-11-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by balthazarr

I've got the flame suit ready...

Maybe the reason so many P platers are losing their licence is because it's too easy to get a licence in the first place?

I agree, a breakdown of the offences would be good - though I suspect that the majority would be for minor offences, so it would never be released.

I'm not in any way condoning drink-driving, but remember that 'drink driving' for a P plater means any alcohol reading... one drink after work means you can't drive for quite a while.

Talking to my driving instructor earlier this year he said that its been made harder, and goes for nearly an hour now. Instant fail if you go 1km/h over the limit in a 40 zone, need to do two low speed maneuvers now also.