Holden Commodore SS V-Series Special Edition - Page 3

burnz · 08-10-2009, 11:16 PM

copy/past into nav bar click go

Bossxr8 · 09-10-2009, 12:15 AM

The link mentioned the 2 Holden engine plants, the 4 cylinder one and the V6 one.

I know the cast iron 4 cylinder blocks are cast here. It does not say the V6 blocks are cast here. Once again your info provides nothing, and once again I will repeat the FACT that V6 blocks are imported from Mexico.

I will not bother posting again about this if your too blinded by your own loyalties to believe the facts.

Peace out.

burnz · 09-10-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The link mentioned the 2 Holden engine plants, the 4 cylinder one and the V6 one.

I know the cast iron 4 cylinder blocks are cast here. It does not say the V6 blocks are cast here. Once again your info provides nothing, and once again I will repeat the FACT that V6 blocks are imported from Mexico.

I will not bother posting again about this if your too blinded by your own loyalties to believe the facts.

Peace out.

fact you cant see V6 motor your blind.
fact mexico does not export.
fact you know nothing about local industry.

cosmo20btt · 09-10-2009, 09:55 AM

^^^^^ From Wikipedia hope it helps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloytec

ltd · 09-10-2009, 10:12 AM

Sorry burnz, but the alloytech block is cast in a foundry in Mexico. The V6 is assembled here, but the block is still cast in Mexico and machined for its displacement here. GM centralised the casting to allow it to be bored from 2.8l - 4.0l, and to save money on the castings it was done in one place and shipped around the world. Do you have any idea how big a foundry would be and how much money it would cost for the alloytec here?

burnz · 09-10-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20btt

^^^^^ From Wikipedia hope it helps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloytec

ha your own page states that it made here.

burnz · 09-10-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Sorry burnz, but the alloytech block is cast in a foundry in Mexico. The V6 is assembled here, but the block is still cast in Mexico and machined for its displacement here. GM centralised the casting to allow it to be bored from 2.8l - 4.0l, and to save money on the castings it was done in one place and shipped around the world. Do you have any idea how big a foundry would be and how much money it would cost for the alloytec here?

sorry champ you dont work for the right ppl to know any differance.

ltd · 09-10-2009, 10:31 AM

burnz, you've got to be kidding right? I agreed with you that the engine is made here, but the block is not cast here. If you want to be seen as big, dumb and ignorant then continue on your present course. Go to your buddies on LS1.com. and see what they have to say about it.

burnz · 09-10-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

burnz, you've got to be kidding right? I agreed with you that the engine is made here, but the block is not cast here. If you want to be seen as big, dumb and ignorant then continue on your present course. Go to your buddies on LS1.com. and see what they have to say about it.

all their engine "will" have (VF) on them.
unless they went to the u.s. a personaly picked up a local unit and put it in a cantainer shipped it them self.

what you are saying to me is if i have a clevo with (GF) or (CF) cast in the block, and say well its a tailand unit import, what would you say??

ltd · 09-10-2009, 11:25 AM

All cleveland blocks were imported. CF code is for Cleveland Foundry.
Around the time of the XB the clevelends were made here; but of imported and local parts. The cast iron block for the cleveland came out of cleveland foundry.
Like I said, I don't dispute the SIDI V6's are made here, but they are not cast here.
I also submit, that perhaps your viewing of 25 tonnes of billet and casting sand may have something to do with the family2 foundry closing later this year. Perhaps Holden is trying to save the foundry for upcoming australian built cruze.

burnz · 09-10-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

All cleveland blocks were imported. CF code is for Cleveland Foundry.
Around the time of the XB the clevelends were made here; but of imported and local parts. The cast iron block for the cleveland came out of cleveland foundry.
Like I said, I don't dispute the SIDI V6's are made here, but they are not cast here.
I also submit, that perhaps your viewing of 25 tonnes of billet and casting sand may have something to do with the family2 foundry closing later this year. Perhaps Holden is trying to save the foundry for upcoming australian built cruze.

25 tonnes per day alloy ingots, the family II is iron.
which finnishes on the 19th of this month, then refurbished.

mcnews · 09-10-2009, 11:37 AM

Would I be right in saying the only engines that were impressive in their time that were completely made in Australia were the six-pack Chargers, the top end 308 Holdens and Turbo 6 Falcons?

The Charger was the only completely Australian driveline of any quick Aussie car? Engine, gearbox and diff made here... Only the Webers sourced overseas...

And don't say XU1, they struggled to high 15s as stock and were dog slow as they came out of the box. And the Holden V6 is so bad that I would think any self respecting Aussie would like to offload the credit for it to another country.... (And I am not brand one eyed at all, just that the V6 Holden is so epically bad in regards to NVH)

burnz · 09-10-2009, 11:47 AM

a silly question does ford (GF) still make diesel marine engine's??

ltd · 09-10-2009, 12:00 PM

Whatever, you can't see the forest for the trees and even Holden doesn't advertise on their website where the blocks come from, or more importantly themselves making both the block and the head. As your PP it states that both items are "manually loaded onto the head/block line".
BTW, I know family2 are iron, but cruze is supposed to be produced locally and would have an alloy engine no?

http://www.ctpm.org.au/system/files/...atted_0505.pdf

Have a read of what they do there.

merlin · 09-10-2009, 12:05 PM

Would have to see it in the flesh I guess but geez I didn't know it was now pushing $60K to get into an SSV . Who would pay that sort of coin for a non HSV...

burnz · 09-10-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ltd

Whatever, you can't see the forest for the trees and even Holden doesn't advertise on their website where the blocks come from, or more importantly themselves making both the block and the head. As your PP it states that both items are "manually loaded onto the head/block line".
BTW, I know family2 are iron, but cruze is supposed to be produced locally and would have an alloy engine no?

http://www.ctpm.org.au/system/files/...atted_0505.pdf

Have a read of what they do there.

way to dig up old maintance doco, the refance V6 was ecotec 2004.
http://epanote2.epa.vic.gov.au/EPA/Publications.nsf/d85500a0d7f5f07b4a2565d1002268f3/75e267597ccf398fca2572f1000c6b89/$FILE/1158.pdf

ltd · 09-10-2009, 03:25 PM

From your reference (refance???)

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"Improvements made to the compressed air system in Plant 18 (where the Global V6 engine is manufactured)"

And from my link

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"The foundry consists of three plants (Plant 11, Plant 14 and Plant 15)"

The numbers don't quite add up to what you believe.

Here's another reference to the alloytec, described as the "global V6". Look how eerily familiar the casting is described both here and on Holdens website.
http://media.gm.com/division/powertr...obal_index.htm

Like I said before, take it to your LS1 buddies and cry over there that not everyone agrees with you. Perhaps a moot point, but I struggle to find one post on these forums where you haven't illustrated your bias toward Holden and all things GMH. Your avitar has "Welcome Roland Dane, and your signature refers to the LS1 as being superior to anything else; what are on a ford forum for other than to illustrate how one can't educate an idiot?

burnz · 09-10-2009, 03:33 PM

again with the 2002 paper!!
try harder when trying do discredit..
and your right you can't educate idiot's..cheer's

ltd · 09-10-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

again with the 2002 paper!!
try harder when trying do discredit..
and your right you can't educate idiot's..cheer's

That would be you're, not your.
Idiots not idiot's
Cheers not cheer's

BTW, you still haven't provided one shred of evidence to prove your crazy theory besides; "I saw ingots".

XRtowcar · 09-10-2009, 05:35 PM

Cylinder blocks and heads for both SIDI engines continue to be supplied from Hungary and Mexico, with machining taking place locally before final assembly at Holden’s $400 million Port Melbourne engine plant.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25762B0023038F

Dont like to say your an idiot Burnz, but........

irlewy86 · 09-10-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

way to dig up old maintance doco, the refance V6 was ecotec 2004.

I thought the Alloytec went into production in 2004 or where the early VZ's fitted with fully imported units?

Bossxr8 · 10-10-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

fact you know nothing about local industry.

HAHAHAHAHA

I've worked for Ford for the past 10 years you clown.

Now that you've been proved wrong you can apoligize whenever your ready.

Now that you know the V6 is made from imported block and heads, does that somehow tarnish your precious 100% Australian Crapadore?

Swordsman88 · 10-10-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

fact you cant see V6 motor your blind.
fact mexico does not export.
fact you know nothing about local industry.

burnz digs his own grave...then promptly jumps right in....

i wasn't 100% sure so i stayed out of the slanging match but i distinctly remember holden stating the blocks were cast in mexico when the alloytec launched in 2004/2005. They stated their intention to swap to local casting but when ion when belly up that stopped i believe.

Since Holden has not made a song and dance about moving alloy block casting to australia then it seemed clear to me they were still getting it from overseas. The go auto link provided above does specify the blocks and heads will continue to be sourced from mexico and hungary. It does not specify which one does which (assume mexico does the block) but either way burnz, Holden DOES NOT cast the V6 alloytec block locally.

Is that clear enough?

Watto_Cobra · 10-10-2009, 01:55 AM

Burnz got burned.

ltd · 10-10-2009, 02:28 PM

I don't want to be nasty and say something trite like, "sucked in badly burnz".......... Actually I can't find a way to finish that sentence.

**DJM83** · 10-10-2009, 07:46 PM

Can we keep this thread to discussing the SSV Special edition. None of this has anythnig to do with it. Otherwise it wil be closed

Laminge · 10-10-2009, 08:57 PM

It ends here, expect a ban if it continues

cosmo20btt · 11-10-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XRtowcar

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25762B0023038F

Another interesting point about the 3litre sidi is that the head is cast with the exhaust manifold in it so you cannot put extractors or headers on it to increase power, you would have to completely change the heads to improve performance. Reminds me of when ford used to cast the intake manifold straight onto the head, I am glad they stopped doing that sort of rubbish.

Stoney! · 12-10-2009, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ltd

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BTW, I know family2 are iron, but cruze is supposed to be produced locally and would have an alloy engine no?

Wrong, the old family two plant will be used to further the technology of the alloytech engine including dedicated LPG engines and hybrid drivetrains for commodore and cruze, the locally produced cruze will have a 1.4 turbo 4 cyl manufactured in lordstown ohio, USA.

Stoney!

ltd · 12-10-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Stoney!

Wrong, the old family two plant will be used to further the technology of the alloytech engine including dedicated LPG engines and hybrid drivetrains for commodore and cruze, the locally produced cruze will have a 1.4 turbo 4 cyl manufactured in lordstown ohio, USA.

Stoney!

Oh good so it will be a tiny engine in a mid size car; more Holden puss.
Tell me stoney, what is to become of the rather expensive and land intensive foundry? Burnz has already stated that he sees 25 tonnes of alloy ingots go in there daily?