FG Falcon MKII - Page 20

JPFS1 · 25-09-2011, 11:55 PM

Primary restraint design ie, the body and the way is absorbs and diverts energy, is extremely important, and the major component in scoring well to achieve 5 star ratings. Number of airbags is not always indicitive of a safe car, especially when the bag is not designed/engineered well.

FPT · 25-09-2011, 11:59 PM

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I agree that would be good. But then you get people whinging about not getting 5kw more for a series 2 update. Currently the drive line is more then adequate and the money should be redirected to other parts of the car and take that to the next level.

I wonder how many members on ls1.com moaned and cried when Holden reduced the power of the alloytec for better economy in the VZ days.

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

Primary restraint design ie, the body and the way is absorbs and diverts energy, is extremely important, and the major component in scoring well to achieve 5 star ratings. Number of airbags is not always indicitive of a safe car, especially when the bag is not designed/engineered well.

You're not a qualified journalist so what would you know?

vztrt · 26-09-2011, 12:08 AM

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I wonder how many members on ls1.com moaned and cried when Holden reduced the power of the alloytec for better economy in the VZ days.

The power dropped when euro III came out. Also why would V8 buyers care about what happens to the V6??

FPT · 26-09-2011, 12:16 AM

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The power dropped when euro III came out.

In contrast Ford's Barra power went up with euro 3.

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Also why would V8 buyers care about what happens to the V6??

Why do they come here and "care" about our I6??

block58 · 26-09-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by XW-221

You're not a qualified journalist so what would you know?

I imagine working for a large car company would help, just sayin'.

vztrt · 26-09-2011, 12:21 AM

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In contrast Ford's Barra power went up with euro 3.

So did Hyundai's V6 engine.

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Why do they come here and "care" about our I6??

Because Ford put a turbo on it and handed their *** to them.

XR Martin · 26-09-2011, 12:22 AM

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Didn't they rave about BA's interior when it was released? Didn't stand the test of time it seems.

BA was a step backwards IMO, it felt cheaper than AU (and even E-series in some regards). Even FG isnt leaps ahead of previous models either.

Door trims are great example. FG doesnt have courtesy lights (EF-AU had four, BA-BF only fronts), no armrest door grips (EF-AU had proper padded ones), cheap front door pockets (EA-AU was carpeted) no rear pockets at all (EA-AU had them), cheap plastic door handles (EF-AU had real chrome)

Bobman · 26-09-2011, 04:56 AM

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BA was a step backwards IMO, it felt cheaper than AU (and even E-series in some regards). Even FG isnt leaps ahead of previous models either.

Door trims are great example. FG doesnt have courtesy lights (EF-AU had four, BA-BF only fronts), no armrest door grips (EF-AU had proper padded ones), cheap front door pockets (EA-AU was carpeted) no rear pockets at all (EA-AU had them), cheap plastic door handles (EF-AU had real chrome)

Well said. The type of trim used is coarse and scratches easily on BA-FG as well. Luxury EA-ED had full velour, whilst EF-AU lower models had a soft but smooth trim and higher models had a mix of velour or leather; with AU models having padded armrest door grips.

Dash on BA-FG also had the coarse material over the softer and better quality material as featured on EF-AU. Then of course there's the cheap crap Chinese windows they started to use from AU-onwards. It reflects poorly on the car as a whole. The EF-EL Fairmont Ghia models even had a better premium audio system compared to the BA-FG.

prydey · 26-09-2011, 08:15 AM

my opinion is the total opposite. i hop back in a e series or au and think the dash/trim materials look so yesteryear its not funny. i'm quite happy with the look in my fg and the ba and bf i had also looked ok and wore pretty well.

why do we need a grab handle on the door cards like on ef-au? i think the trims on my xr are fine. misture of plastic and cloth. a handle to pull the door closed with. it has pockets and a drink holder (not sure i'll ever use it). sure the rear door cards no longer have a pocket but hardly evergot used in my older cars that did have them.

i'm not sure what people expect of falcon here. its not a premium price euro. its a mass produced aussie family car. its built to a budget. you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Seduce XR6 · 26-09-2011, 08:23 AM

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my opinion is the total opposite. i hop back in a e series or au and think the dash/trim materials look so yesteryear its not funny. i'm quite happy with the look in my fg and the ba and bf i had also looked ok and wore pretty well.

On this I agree with you, the FG has the most improved interior to date (as it should being the latest model) apart from the door trims with the hard plastic that is.

The dash is covered with nice soft to touch trim(most of it) & the layout, look & function 1st class.

Having owned many Falcons & Fairmonts in my life thus far & having stepped from a BFII XR6 into the FG XR6 I can tell you there is no comparison between the previous Falcons & the FG (in most areas & not just the interior).

I remember sitting at a table having a chat with the local Dealer Principal about the FG when I purchased mine & his reply to the positive things I was saying re the FG was it is the equal of many other makes now & he was referring to the likes of Mercs as he also sells them & in terms of how they feel to drive etc....

Nikked · 26-09-2011, 08:36 AM

BA Interiors are aweful. Cheap rattly plastics, silver coatings that bubble up and fall off...poor quality carpet. FG is miles ahead, even little things like not seening the exterior colour on the door frames been seen inside.

Even though they are a bit old now, the E-Series falcons had some of the best interiors.

Seduce XR6 · 26-09-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

BA Interiors are aweful. Cheap rattly plastics, silver coatings that bubble up and fall off...poor quality carpet. FG is miles ahead, even little things like not seening the exterior colour on the door frames been seen inside.

Even though they are a bit old now, the E-Series falcons had some of the best interiors.

Ha ha ha, you think the BA was nasty, you should have seen the XD's interior lol

At the time of the XD's arrival I had a XC Fairmont GXL 5.8L & when I took an XD for a drive I was like omg look at all the hard plastic, they had acres of it & compared to the XC I had looked cheap inside lol

Though I bet an XC would look cheap inside to me now as well lol

**Silver Ghia** · 26-09-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

BA Interiors are aweful. Cheap rattly plastics, silver coatings that bubble up and fall off...poor quality carpet. FG is miles ahead, even little things like not seening the exterior colour on the door frames been seen inside.

Probably a matter of opinion, perhaps it varied across BA models, as I thought my BA Ghia was actually OK, and looked OK, with no defects or rattles when I traded it last year. The AU Fairy interior I had previously certainly seemed to have much better plushness however.

But the FG I think is probably on par with the BA. The XR50 interior with the black piano finish console etc. made it something that I liked so I bought one. Subsequently replacing the cheap looking console lid with a soft leather G6ET item has made a lot of difference as well. Little details like this still let it down, hopefully Ford will do a better job with the FGII.

RHR · 26-09-2011, 02:56 PM

I really liked my BAMKII interior. The only thing i didnt really like was the had brake cover. Just didnt look right where it met up with the centre console.

Ford_The_Win · 26-09-2011, 03:20 PM

Just about every Falcon I've ever been in or drove had crappy plastics, my EA had really good plastic fit, but the plastics weren't sun treated and most of them were photo degraded and turning white. The plastics on my EL are pretty bad, mostly hollow and thin, the fit is really poor too. I thought the fit on the new Terri was great, no big gaps or anything like that, but I am definitely not a fan of the hard grainy plastic. B series plastic is crap IMO, everything is that horrible easily-scratched hard grained plastic, even the handbrake and gear lever, whereas on the AU and E series, it was more of a softer, leather style plastic. The AU I drove was a good compromise, the fit was good and the plastic quality was good too, nice soft touch stuff.

EFFalcon · 26-09-2011, 03:48 PM

AU's had nice fit and finish, just a shame about the look and layout.

SpoolMan · 26-09-2011, 06:07 PM

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You're not a qualified journalist so what would you know?

Check out JPFS1 posting history always informative and quality posts, sharing some good information.

prydey · 26-09-2011, 06:31 PM

maybe i got it wrong, but i read FPT's comment as very tongue in cheek.

nstg8a · 26-09-2011, 07:32 PM

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maybe i got it wrong, but i read FPT's comment as very tongue in cheek.

as did i...

Gobes32 · 26-09-2011, 08:59 PM

Sarcasm is hard to detect sometimes?

JPFS1 · 26-09-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FPT

You're not a qualified journalist so what would you know?

I'm working on it... I just signed up for the drive.com.au specialist journalist qualification. Just got to read all material by Josh dowling and the other scribes, then I'll have something to put up on my wall ;)

JPFS1 · 26-09-2011, 09:07 PM

it's all good, I think I know where FPT was coming from.

Gobes32 · 26-09-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

I'm working on it... I just signed up for the drive.com.au specialist journalist qualification. Just got to read all material by Josh dowling and the other scribes, then I'll have something to put up on my wall ;)

You will be able to give us the inside scoop on HSV's new 8ltr quad turbo V8 then......... ;-)

FPT · 26-09-2011, 10:11 PM

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it's all good, I think I know where FPT was coming from.

jemftw

Seriously, your posts, they're a breath of fresh air and always shed light when it's needed most. It's members like yourself that always restore the balance.

By the way, you're a top bloke so I think you'll fail at drive.com.au.

**Silver Ghia** · 26-09-2011, 10:36 PM

Definite fail as a motoring writer with a reply like this:

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

Primary restraint design ie, the body and the way is absorbs and diverts energy, is extremely important, and the major component in scoring well to achieve 5 star ratings. Number of airbags is not always indicitive of a safe car, especially when the bag is not designed/engineered well.

Obviously too much engineering knowledge.

Road_Warrior · 26-09-2011, 10:42 PM

How dare you contribute facts to this discussion!!1! lol

jpd80 · 27-09-2011, 07:31 AM

Interesting that so many journalists just assume that the RWD Falcon is dead and buried,
they are talking about a future global platform because that will save Ford money, I doubt it
because one of the greatest hallmarks of the own design Falcon is its ability to undercut costs
of international platforms like
- Fusion (FG Falcon)
- Taurus (AU falcon)
- Taurus (EA Falcon) (and stillborn Capricorn project)
- Granada (XD Falcon)
- US Maverick (XA Falcon)

I rest my case.....

Bossxr8 · 27-09-2011, 09:58 PM

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I'm working on it... I just signed up for the drive.com.au specialist journalist qualification. Just got to read all material by Josh dowling and the other scribes, then I'll have something to put up on my wall ;)

You just need to remember to mention the Commodore and how much better you think it is in every article about Falcon, and you'll be writing for drive in no time.

The journos at drive can bring the Commodore into any Falcon article with the slightest possible segue. They will say something like "the Falcon has 4 wheels, and its largest competitor, which outsells it and is sending the Falcon to the graveyard, also has 4 wheels".

Then find a way to mention Falcon sales are declining and its just a matter of time before they stop manufacturing in Oz.

csv8 · 28-09-2011, 01:16 PM

The motel I am staying in a Taurus SHO Ecoflex is in the car park, Its in black, with seats ,black bolsters and tan suede inserts. Looks nice !! Why cann't Ford Aus offer 2 tone leather seats ? New Focus Titanium doesn't count, not all leather seats....

**Polyal** · 28-09-2011, 01:20 PM

Look at the sales volumes....