Global New Ranger Raptor reveal - Page 8

**kypez** · 09-09-2022, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nibble

0-100 times are impressive !

Sub 6 seconds is Faster than a BA GT! Thats some good numbers and the 60-110 of 4 seconds is much better than the 8-9 seconds of the Everest (and that was 80-110).

naddis01 · 09-09-2022, 06:20 PM

Well mines getting closer. It has been assigned to the Athens Highway vessel. If it is on this load then it is currently off the coast at Cairns.

Gumboot · 09-09-2022, 06:21 PM

I thought it would be 6.5 -6.9 seconds for 0-100 with all that weight.

But wow 5.73 is super quick.Wonder how the other publications times will stack up

Dr Smith · 09-09-2022, 06:34 PM

I can't resist.....And there's no Holden competitor with a warmed over engine just for the press fleet that gets equal times to HSV models and no-one blinks an eye....

Dr Smith · 09-09-2022, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

Well mines getting closer. It has been assigned to the Athens Highway vessel. If it is on this load then it is currently off the coast at Cairns.

If you know your VIN you could be able to check the shipping line's site and confirm if its on board. I was able to do that for the Escape I had on order.

naddis01 · 09-09-2022, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

If you know your VIN you could be able to check the shipping line's site and confirm if its on board. I was able to do that for the Escape I had on order.

How do I do that? The ship is the Athens Highway.

Franco Cozzo · 10-09-2022, 04:58 PM

What a beast, the Thailand Special has come of age!

Super Thailand Special!

Fuel tank at 80L seems a bit small though, kinda reminds me of my 351C powered F100 with a 60L fuel tank - should be 150-200L

Because of the factory fitment size tyres, wonder how you'd go getting decent quality highway rubber in that size to put that power down on the road nicely.

XR Martin · 10-09-2022, 06:29 PM

0-100 with the beadlock wheels is about half a second slower. (each wheel is 4kg heavier)

Dr Smith · 11-09-2022, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

How do I do that? The ship is the Athens Highway.

In my case a poster in the Escape forum found out the shipping line used for transporting out of Spain.
I had my vin from the dealer and so went to the shipping line's site and was able to find the various ships being used and then searched by VIN their manifests which luckily on the second ship I search showed the Escape was on board. Bare in mind this was for euro transporters.

I would start by finding the shipping line that owns or manages Athens Highway and see if they have a public way of VIN searching for this particular ship.
Might not be as "open" compared to the Euro ships.

I found this on a very quick look..
https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9443073
This led me to:
https://krbsgroup.com/krbswebsite/

Unfortunately i couldn't find a way of accessing any VIN searches etc.. the way I could for the Hoegh Line which ships for Ford out of Europe and had greater public access of VIN searching back when I had an Escape on order.

Big_Daz · 11-09-2022, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

In my case a poster in the Escape forum found out the shipping line used for transporting out of Spain.
I had my vin from the dealer and so went to the shipping line's site and was able to find the various ships being used and then searched by VIN their manifests which luckily on the second ship I search showed the Escape was on board. Bare in mind this was for euro transporters.

I would start by finding the shipping line that owns or manages Athens Highway and see if they have a public way of VIN searching for this particular ship.
Might not be as "open" compared to the Euro ships.

I found this on a very quick look..
https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9443073
This led me to:
https://krbsgroup.com/krbswebsite/

Unfortunately i couldn't find a way of accessing any VIN searches etc.. the way I could for the Hoegh Line which ships for Ford out of Europe and had greater public access of VIN searching back when I had an Escape on order.

Most car carrier shipping companies use the vehicles VIN as the "Marks and Numbers" for the Bill of Lading, so for those lines that don't have VIN search option, may be able to search by marks and numbers. If so, put the VIN in that field and will more than likely show up...

DoreSlamR · 11-09-2022, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What a beast, the Thailand Special has come of age!

Super Thailand Special!

Fuel tank at 80L seems a bit small though, kinda reminds me of my 351C powered F100 with a 60L fuel tank - should be 150-200L

Because of the factory fitment size tyres, wonder how you'd go getting decent quality highway rubber in that size to put that power down on the road nicely.

Brown Davis are developing a long range tank for the Raptor thankfully

Franco Cozzo · 11-09-2022, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DoreSlamR

Brown Davis are developing a long range tank for the Raptor thankfully

Feels like a missed opportunity for a factory option you could tick - they've come so far working in with the aftermarket like ARB to this point with the new Ranger, but they've left out this one.

There was issues around the previous generation Ranger and aftermarket long range fuel tanks causing dramas with the DTE calculations, if Ford was involved in it they could have a programming option they could tick on the scan tool to calibrate fuel gauge and DTE calculations for either size tank for example.

naddis01 · 11-09-2022, 07:14 PM

You could change the programming at home for fuel tank size for the PXII onwards with Forscan. Which meant accurate DTE readings with long range tanks. I've done 4 in town here after ARB and Ford said it couldn't be done.

vbomber · 11-09-2022, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Feels like a missed opportunity for a factory option you could tick - they've come so far working in with the aftermarket like ARB to this point with the new Ranger, but they've left out this one.

There was issues around the previous generation Ranger and aftermarket long range fuel tanks causing dramas with the DTE calculations, if Ford was involved in it they could have a programming option they could tick on the scan tool to calibrate fuel gauge and DTE calculations for either size tank for example.

Ford are doing that now with the ARB tanks, ARB fit and then taken to ford for recalibration

Gumboot · 13-09-2022, 12:06 AM

Update. I ordered a Raptor in May. My Raptor was initially due in November, then was pushed out to December. Heard from Ford Aus today, that with delays it will now be a Jan 2023 build with delivery in February 2023.
On the positive side, I get a 2023 model..

Bossxr8 · 13-09-2022, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Feels like a missed opportunity for a factory option you could tick - they've come so far working in with the aftermarket like ARB to this point with the new Ranger, but they've left out this one.

There was issues around the previous generation Ranger and aftermarket long range fuel tanks causing dramas with the DTE calculations, if Ford was involved in it they could have a programming option they could tick on the scan tool to calibrate fuel gauge and DTE calculations for either size tank for example.

I think it's more of a case of it being harder for a factory fitment, with the dual exhaust and bigger spare, plus the watts linkage rear end, meaning there really isn't much room back there. Put one up on a hoist and it all makes sense.

An aftermarket company won't have some of the constraints Ford does.

Either that, or Ford ran the numbers on Raptor sales vs potential long range tank sales and figured it wasn't worth it from a cost perspective.

XR Martin · 13-09-2022, 05:58 PM

Crash testing with a 150L+ tank would be the issue.

Prado wouldn't pass rear crash test in the US with the secondary tank.
(their FJ Cruiser only had one tank too)
Not sure I'd own one without the protection of the tow bar.

Gumboot · 14-09-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I think it's more of a case of it being harder for a factory fitment, with the dual exhaust and bigger spare, plus the watts linkage rear end, meaning there really isn't much room back there. Put one up on a hoist and it all makes sense.

An aftermarket company won't have some of the constraints Ford does.

Either that, or Ford ran the numbers on Raptor sales vs potential long range tank sales and figured it wasn't worth it from a cost perspective.

And if Ford did it OEM, Where would they put the large spare wheel.
I guess it will be left to the aftermarket industry.

jpd80 · 14-09-2022, 02:52 PM

Aftermarket is the best way with fuel tanks, Hilux has a 142 litre drive in drive out changeover option,
I don’t see why Ranger couldn’t have similar, especially if they can cover petrol and diesel.

naddis01 · 14-09-2022, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

In my case a poster in the Escape forum found out the shipping line used for transporting out of Spain.
I had my vin from the dealer and so went to the shipping line's site and was able to find the various ships being used and then searched by VIN their manifests which luckily on the second ship I search showed the Escape was on board. Bare in mind this was for euro transporters.

I would start by finding the shipping line that owns or manages Athens Highway and see if they have a public way of VIN searching for this particular ship.
Might not be as "open" compared to the Euro ships.

I found this on a very quick look..
https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9443073
This led me to:
https://krbsgroup.com/krbswebsite/

Unfortunately i couldn't find a way of accessing any VIN searches etc.. the way I could for the Hoegh Line which ships for Ford out of Europe and had greater public access of VIN searching back when I had an Escape on order.

I couldn't work out how to search the shipping site but it looks like it's on the ship at the moment (which is currently moored in Brisbane) as the CEVA website has it booked to pickup on the 19th from Port Kembla.

**kypez** · 15-09-2022, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Aftermarket is the best way with fuel tanks, Hilux has a 142 litre drive in drive out changeover option,
I don’t see why Ranger couldn’t have similar, especially if they can cover petrol and diesel.

Problem with Everest is that the Payload wasn't much in the previous model and if you added another 50kgs of fuel (plus tank weight), it hurt payload a bit. New one seems to have more so should be good.

Ranger will have a 140 litre option coming soon apparently.

vbomber · 16-09-2022, 10:54 PM

Customer deliveries started today, Paul Maric from carexpert got his so hopefully plenty of content coming soon

jpd80 · 17-09-2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Problem with Everest is that the Payload wasn't much in the previous model and if you added another 50kgs of fuel (plus tank weight), it hurt payload a bit. New one seems to have more so should be good.

Ranger will have a 140 litre option coming soon apparently.

While new Everest payload is listed at 741 kg, SUVs are a pain when it comes to calculating legal towing with passengers, adding another 50 Kg weight doesn’t help especially when Jerry cans can be stored in the trailer.

Most people who tow this way, find it better to stick all luggage in the trailer to leave enough payload for 10% to all weight (~300kg) and about 350 kg for driver and four passengers. Then comes the fun of ensuring combined vehicle and trailer weight does not exceed the maximum 6250 kg.

It can be done but the thing to remember is that this is no Landcruiser and the limits on GVW Aand GCW are a lot lower /tighter for anyone planing an expedition that requires maximum loading..

jpd80 · 17-09-2022, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by vbomber

Customer deliveries started today, Paul Maric from carexpert got his so hopefully plenty of content coming soon

Excellent, Paul normally does a good impartial review but also not afraid to call out areas that could be improved.

While all this restricted supply is frustrating, imagine Ford’s situation, here now they have the best ever Ranger and Everest and yet are confounded by constricted supply, how they must be wishing they could be delivering thousands more, they are literally money in the bank. More than anything, that restricted supply is the reason why Ford cannot discuss more variations as it struggles to fill orders for the most popular versions.

383hq · 17-09-2022, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

While new Everest payload is listed at 741 kg, SUVs are a pain when it comes to calculating legal towing ......

.....Then comes the fun of ensuring combined vehicle and trailer weight does not exceed the maximum 6250 kg.

It can be done but the thing to remember is that this is no Landcruiser and the limits on GVW Aand GCW are a lot lower /tighter for anyone planing an expedition that requires maximum loading..

Landcruiser is hardly any better:
300 series
GCM 6750kg
GVM 3280kg

Trailer 3000kg (arbitrary #, max is 3500kg)
Tare 2630 kg, then add 10% downforce of towbar:
300 kg
= 5930 kg, taken from 6750kg, leaves

820kg for payload (fuel, passengers at 80kg each, bull bars, any cargo.) doesn't leave much overhead (and it has the same single lift rear cargo door now),

Of course if you go to max 3500kg, with another 50kg of downforce, its even closer...

jpd80 · 17-09-2022, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 383hq

Landcruiser is hardly any better:
300 series
GCM 6750kg
GVM 3280kg

Trailer 3000kg (arbitrary #, max is 3500kg)
Tare 2630 kg, then add 10% downforce of towbar:
300 kg
= 6040 kg, taken from 6750kg, leaves

820kg for payload (fuel, passengers at 80kg each, bull bars, any cargo.) doesn't leave much overhead (and it has the same single lift rear cargo door now),

Of course if you go to max 3500kg, with another 50kg of downforce, its even closer...

At least you have some breathing space with a Landcruiser when people try to max out everything.

Doing the same thing when you have less GVM and GCW with say, the Everest means all luggage
and fuel must go in the trailer as trailer downforce and five up mean you’re at near max GVM.
Take the 300 kg trailer down force off the 741 kg payload and you have 441 kg for occupants and fuel.

383hq · 17-09-2022, 10:05 AM

I think when Mr plod starts weighing the grey nomads, it'll drive demand for GVM increase

eitherway, 741 v 770kg at maximum's ain't a big difference from what I've seen, Maybe the stocked Engel is moved from the car.

(PS I mis calculated - hopefully I've corrected it now I've had a coffee)

jpd80 · 17-09-2022, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 383hq

I think when Mr plod starts weighing the grey nomads, it'll drive demand for GVM increase

eitherway, 741 v 770kg at maximum's ain't a big difference from what I've seen, Maybe the stocked Engel is moved from the car.

(PS I mis calculated - hopefully I've corrected it now I've had a coffee)

You assumed deduction on GCM but the downforce comes of payload /GCM side,
if I’m right on that, Everest and Landcruiser 300 are not much different = your point

I’m surprised that transport departments aren’t already checking all these
caravans, it seems very easy to become overloaded without realising it.

**GasoLane** · 17-09-2022, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

You assumed deduction on GCM but the downforce comes of payload /GCM side,
if I’m right on that, Everest and Landcruiser 300 are not much different = your point

I’m surprised that transport departments aren’t already checking all these caravans, it seems very easy to become overloaded without realising it.

Not keeping up are we?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...ance/101130762

https://www.drive.com.au/news/police...re-overweight/

jpd80 · 17-09-2022, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Not keeping up are we?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-...ance/101130762

https://www.drive.com.au/news/police...re-overweight/

Really, you’re gonna throw up a 20 second google search as proof of commitment?

Those were blitzes carried out over a short period, not an ongoing commitment,
the fact that 90% of those checked were overweight shows widespread non-conformance.
If this had been policed for say, the past five years, a lot of this could have been avoided.

What people don’t understand is catching people in remote situations means off loading
excess weight before continuing, what things do people need to leave behind?
Thinking when it’s grandma and grandpa by the side of the road, it must be distressing for them