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Old 16-08-2017, 07:01 PM   #1
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Default First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle

So .. first time Ive had to slow down to 40km/h passing an emergency vehicle under the new Vic road law.

Basically straight country road, 100km/h limit, daylight, damp but good visibility.

Car infront of me, and I see a car and truck heading towards us. Truck suddenly swerves onto my side of the road, car infront of me brakes, truck eventually pulls back in and as he passes us I see police car on the side of the road with lights on and someone pulled over.

I slow down .. car infront of me accelerates back up to 100 past the police car.

I think what happened was car coming towards us braked suddenly seeing the police car, truck couldnt brake as suddenly so swerved into opposite lane.

Nice one .. good reminder that need to be even more vigilant about checking rear mirrors.
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Old 16-08-2017, 08:05 PM   #2
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Dumbest rule ever IMHO

I think it's one I'd ignore, BUT be ready for anything other motorists might do
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Old 16-08-2017, 08:18 PM   #3
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the speed in sa is 25, wouldn't be so bad if it was just ambulance but a cop pulling someone over creates a hazard
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Old 16-08-2017, 08:25 PM   #4
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Yup and not just emergency vehicles - school buses pulled over on side of road require one to slow down too.
It's a fair squeeze of the brake pedal given people cruise near 120 (no fear of the 1km over bandit as in some police states)- At least the police are generally policing for real criminals not just revenue from Joe average.
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Happened to me on the eastern. Cop pulled over a car in the emergency lane. And all of sudden people started to slam their brakes on. Almost rear-ended someone and someone almost rear-ended me. Dumbest rule. Absolute hazard and dangerous on the road. Scary thing is that if you were to technically continue doing your speed at 100km past the cop car that is technically 60km over the speed limit and automatic loss of licence for 12months. Can't win in this world. Luckly the FG has good brakes, might have to invest in brembos if this happens on a regular basis though hahahaha
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the speed in sa is 25, wouldn't be so bad if it was just ambulance but a cop pulling someone over creates a hazard
That's a joke. I thought 40 was bad but 25 is stupidity as a blanket rule.
I was riding my mountain bike today I noticed I was doing 25 on the flat without actually putting in any effort.

I find a lot of people tend to slow to a reasonable speed when the conditions require people to slow past emergancy vehicles, but as always the few idiots that pass 4 metres pass a crash scene at 100km/h are the ones who ruin it for everyone.
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I believe the rule has not and wont be enforced. Also it is a fine and no points even if it was enforced. The police commisioner said so himself on 3aw that it is not going to be enforced any time soon.
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I have no problem with it.

In the first post example, how come the car could see the situation and the following truck couldn't?

It also highlights many people's bad habits of following too closely.

Too many drivers struggle to see past their windscreen and many people these days are selfish. Their time is more important than anyone else's.

If people give driving the respect it deserves then this rule won't be the massive issue many are making it out to be.
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[QUOTE=prydey;5987663]I have no problem with it.

In the first post example, how come the car could see the situation and the following truck couldn't?

It also highlights many people's bad habits of following too closely.

Too many drivers struggle to see past their windscreen and many people these days are selfish. Their time is more important than anyone else's.

If people give driving the respect it deserves then this rule won't be the massive issue many are making it out to be.[/QUOTE
Dumbest rule ever , going to cause accidents , give emergency vehicles room and reduce your speed is common sense, but to tell people they must do 40kmh that's a green light for all the morons to stomp on the brakes without even thinking or checking their surroundings they are asking to be hit by a b-double . Stupidity at its gloriest best!!
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I believe the rule has not and wont be enforced. Also it is a fine and no points even if it was enforced. The police commisioner said so himself on 3aw that it is not going to be enforced any time soon.
The other interesting thing I heard, was that at the moment the offence is not listed on the current infringement notices that the traffic cops carry with them, so they cannot issue you with an on the spot ticket technically.
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The other interesting thing I heard, was that at the moment the offence is not listed on the current infringement notices that the traffic cops carry with them, so they cannot issue you with an on the spot ticket technically.
but they can take your details and issue a summons to court
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Doesn't look like much policing on the Hume since this new law appeared.
Guess even the local HWP don't want to trigger a mass pile up.
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I have no problem with it.

In the first post example, how come the car could see the situation and the following truck couldn't?

It also highlights many people's bad habits of following too closely.

Too many drivers struggle to see past their windscreen and many people these days are selfish. Their time is more important than anyone else's.

If people give driving the respect it deserves then this rule won't be the massive issue many are making it out to be.
different state different laws, the truck driver may not have been aware of this law...

and cars braking hard very little time to react, irrespective of gap given.
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different state different laws, the truck driver may not have been aware of this law...

and cars braking hard very little time to react, irrespective of gap given.
ignorance isn't an excuse.

the OP mentions its a country road, 100km/h signposted. no excuse for travelling within 50m of the preceding vehicle. being a country road, there is any number of scenario's that could cause a vehicle to suddenly brake. part of operating a vehicle is having that awareness, and respecting following distances.

of course there will always be the odd scenario that will be the exception, but most of the time, if drivers are giving respect to the task at hand, then it shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 17-08-2017, 07:51 AM   #15
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I can't see a reason the truck didn't see the police car .. I'm suspicious that:
1. Truck was following to close
2. Truck didn't think to slow down, and didn't think the car in front would
3. Car in front stood on the brakes heavily

Only reason the car infront of me slowed down was because the truck pulled onto our side of the road (I thought he was going to pass the car infront of him?!). The car infront of me sped back up to (likely) 100km/h passing the police car .... the whole event was a dogs breakfast.
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I have no problem with it.

In the first post example, how come the car could see the situation and the following truck couldn't?

It also highlights many people's bad habits of following too closely.

Too many drivers struggle to see past their windscreen and many people these days are selfish. Their time is more important than anyone else's.

If people give driving the respect it deserves then this rule won't be the massive issue many are making it out to be.


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Common cents aren't worth a dollar.


Time for mixed lollies.
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Towing a caravan to Stawell on the Western Hwy a couple of weeks ago. Doing 100km/h in a 110 zone and coming around a bend, see the red and blues on a police car that pulled over a car. I tried to slow safely to 40 in the distance I had but could only manage around 55-60km/h. Thankfully no one behind me as they probably wouldn't be able to see the police car and realise why I was braking.
Just as well he didn't have the radar out...

In saying that there have been reports of police cars pulled over with flashing lights pulled over an apparent unmarked police car with radar in hand. If true its a pretty low way to generate revenue.
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It's not that hard, up ahead, 3 lanes of traffic suddenly showing brake lights, might be time you do too.
And a truckie can see flashing red and blues long before the cars in front of him.
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There was a crash around the corner from my house last night. Myself and the cars nearby proceed past at about 27km/h
Legally we could have done 50, but due to the conditions we didn't. I find that the majority of people do a reasonable speed past crashes. If anything people go too slow to have a look rather than too fast.
I hope NSW doesn't follow with the nanny state rules.
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you can spit, cry and sook as much as you want

red n blues

police / fire / ambos
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And they are on the clock. They deserve a safe working environment just like everyone else!

The rule has been in SA for at least 2 -3 years and no chaos has ensued.
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In saying that there have been reports of police cars pulled over with flashing lights pulled over an apparent unmarked police car with radar in hand. If true its a pretty low way to generate revenue.
load of rubbish. A mate of a mate of my wife's third cousin read about it on Facebook
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And they are on the clock. They deserve a safe working environment just like everyone else!

The rule has been in SA for at least 2 -3 years and no chaos has ensued.
And just to think, we also have to 25km/h in roadworks as well unlike other states.

These laws are all about protecting the people who's jobs are to be out on those roads with cars.
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And they are on the clock. They deserve a safe working environment just like everyone else!

The rule has been in SA for at least 2 -3 years and no chaos has ensued.

Should it then be extended to anyone pulled over on the side of the road for an emergency? For example changing a tyre? These people would be more at risk as these people are likely to be unaware of the surroundings.
May be to all roadside emergencies? Yellow lights (RACxxx staff too, they're on the clock too).

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Recap: A 56-year-old man who was changing a flat tyre has been killed after a ute veered off-road and crashed into his vehicle.

Police believe the man had been driving along the Goulburn Valley Highway, near Shepparton, about 9.45pm yesterday when he pulled over to change a tyre.

It is believed a Mazda ute then veered off the road and crashed into the rear of the man's stationary vehicle.

The 56-year-old man died at the scene.

The driver of the Mazda, a 53-year-old Shepparton man, was arrested and is currently assisting police with their enquiries.

Police are urging anyone who witnessed the crash or has dash-cam footage of the area to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or submit a confidential crime report at www.crimestoppersvic.com.au

The man's death brings the road toll for the year up to 159, 26 fewer than at the same time last year.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/me...17-gxy366.html
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When I was teaching the kids to drive (18 $ 24 years ago) I always said keep an eye on the cars 3-4 cars ahead and when you see their brake light take action.If you just watch the car in front you usually don't have enough reaction time.Must have worked as neither have run into cars in front.As for trucks (and indeed everyone) doesn't the law state you must keep a safe distance behind to enable your self to stop if neccessary.
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like many kneejerk reactions the intentions are good, but the unintended consequences haven't been thought throug
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dont worry everyone, it is not enforced! Just drive safely.
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