This will make you think!

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 07:26 PM

My dad sent me this in an email today, i was going to delete it, but im glad i didnt.
Its a very Haunting look at life in bagdad, some of us will be able to relate to.

If you dont get goose bumps your not human.

It goes for a few minutes.

http://www.clermontyellow.accountsup.../UntilThen.swf

Psycho Chicken · 25-02-2005, 07:37 PM

I've heard some f*cked up shit from two seppo mates who have been, one is still over there. It's really messed up some of the stuff the've been through and had to do.

Yet to have a talk to my aussie mate who got back last month.

Envious · 25-02-2005, 07:46 PM

(this is going to stir the pot a little)
pure septic propoganda.....im sorry but its the truth......

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 07:46 PM

Yes Rob i have heard some pretty bad stuff from mates who went over.
:(

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Envious

(this is going to stir the pot a little)
pure septic propoganda.....im sorry but its the truth......

Yes that it could be!, But did you get goose bumps?
Have yuo ever Ben in the Service?

Envious · 25-02-2005, 07:49 PM

no i didnt get goose bumps, and i am currently in the service...

Psycho Chicken · 25-02-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Envious

(this is going to stir the pot a little)
pure septic propoganda.....im sorry but its the truth......

What a load of tripe. So what if it is, what about all the stupid pro-Saddam/anti-war propoganda? I don't seen anyone bitching about that.

How about you tell my two mates that. While you're there tell the one who had to pull a gun on an eight year old girl who had a pistol pointed at him that his mates died for nothing. Then tell the other one who doesn't want to go back home because he fears he'll have a flashback in a supermarket, on the street or anywhere in public that this is just propaganda.

Put your **** on the line, THEN have a go at them.

Envious · 25-02-2005, 07:52 PM

the clips that give me goosebumps are the ones that show how the IRAQI's are coping, what they are doing, (and how my mates are going), not the seppos....the amount of damage the yanks have done is phenominal.....

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 07:53 PM

Fair enough, having worked with the Yanks quite abit over the years i know what they are like.

But it is still stiring.

Psycho Chicken · 25-02-2005, 07:53 PM

Yes they have caused a shit load of damage and I think they are doing it the wrong way, however those are the guys on the ground, following orders and copping shit from pinkos everywhere. Is that fair on them?

Envious · 25-02-2005, 07:53 PM

settle down chicken....., how about my mates that had to shoot someone recently before he delivered a car bomb ? how about one of my best mates that was injured in the large bomb attack on the lines over there ?

dogbreath_48 · 25-02-2005, 07:55 PM

EDIT: became innapropriate after this thread fired up a bit

I did get the goosebumps...but did anyone else see something seriously wrong with the bloke filling up the donkey from the bowser?!

-Stu

Psycho Chicken · 25-02-2005, 07:56 PM

Sorry, it came across that you were bagging the whole thing out, I apologise for that.

However it does give an insight to what it's like for the guys on the ground, the guys who are going through all sorts of shit over there and no doubt will face more when they get home.

**Stav** · 25-02-2005, 08:00 PM

That is part of the price for the greed in search of oil!!! They forgot to show the bombs dropped on innocent civilians and the pverty theyhave caused in Iraq.

dansedgli · 25-02-2005, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogbreath_48

...owned...

I did get the goosebumps...but did anyone else see something seriously wrong with the bloke filling up the donkey from the bowser?!

-Stu

yeah and who did they steal that motorbike and sidecart off?

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 08:02 PM

Damage happens in every conflict, the Allied forces are doing a hell of alot of less damage over there than has been done by the Iraqi's.

Dan its not steeling, its aquiring.

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Yum-Yum · 25-02-2005, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogbreath_48

but did anyone else see something seriously wrong with the bloke filling up the donkey from the bowser?!

-Stu

Hahahaha I did see that, but from that angle there may have been a canister hidden behind the Donkey man lmao

**Stav** · 25-02-2005, 08:05 PM

Thats true .Very true....it is always the innocent ones who pay..on both sides.

dogbreath_48 · 25-02-2005, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansedgli

yeah and who did they steal that motorbike and sidecart off?

probably swapped it with some guy for a four stroke donkey...

-Stu

Dez · 25-02-2005, 08:47 PM

cant say it gave me goosebumps....it didnt actually show much moving stuff....but it was good none the less.

people need to remember that although they are over there fighting the war, many soldiers may not agree with what they are fighting for. they are just following orders, and serving their country.

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 09:06 PM

It was more the combo of the music and the pics that gave me the goose bumps.

Timmeh · 25-02-2005, 09:21 PM

To anyone who reckons they can fight a war without anything going 'wrong' - I invite you to try, you're a dreamer. People make mistakes at work all the time, but their mistakes don't impact anyone - oh no, disaster, someone put too much sauce on a burger! Not everything goes according to plan every single time, it's just in our profession when things go wrong, it's fatal and well publicised.

While every possible action must be taken to avoid the tragedies of war, there are no winners, and no matter how much you try to do your job as perfectly as possible, stuff still happens.

And people die. It's war. If terrorists weren't actively killing us, and the civilian aid workers there, we wouldn't have half the deaths. In fact, there'd be no need for any more.

Thanks for the link, Kerry, being away from home here for so long means I really identify with how some of those guys are feeling, all the best to them. People don't realise how much a little support goes a long way, hell, I sometimes don't hear from close friends when I go away until I get back.

I wish all the people over there the best, I hope they know people back home sitting on their ***** making stupid critical comments while drinking a beer on the lounge are wishing them well.

And yes, I do get passionate about it.

Tim

"Only the dead have seen the end of war."

Dez · 25-02-2005, 09:25 PM

there's a good line in "Rules of engagement" about war, and although i can't remember the EXACT wording, ill do my best

"you think there's a way to fight a war without ****ing anyone off? follow the rules and nobody gets hurt?.

Yes, innocent people probably died. Innocent people always die, but i was not going to stand by and watch another one of my marines die, just to live by those F*king rules"

more the first part is relevant here...but it is very very true.

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 09:27 PM

Well said Tim.

fordel · 25-02-2005, 09:47 PM

Yep have to agree with every word Tim said there, so very true

Chris

LuvinmyEB · 25-02-2005, 10:01 PM

I don't know what I was thinking when I tried to join the army. I'm grateful now that I never went back 2 months later when they told me to and I would have been accepted.

Despite peoples opinions on the war, that is one very stirring show, what are the guys thinking about? Their families, friends, just wanting to get home?

It certainly sent chills down my spine.

These guys are like ex Vietnam Veterans. They can't operate properly in society when they get back, they want to talk but can't. I wish I had the statistics in front of me for how many social workers/councillors there are for every returned servicemen. All I can remember is that it's a rediculously low amount.

Whether I agree with what's going on, I want all our guys and girls home safely, back with their families, where they belong.

Keep up the good work guys even if you don't agree with what your doing, there are some people that understand that you're following orders.

Keep yourselves safe and come home in one piece.

TIKFD6 · 25-02-2005, 10:08 PM

LuvinmyEB, its not just Vietnam Vets,
PDSD is a huge problem in guys who went to Timor, Somalia, and Rawanda, which was one of the worts.

I Went to Bouganville in 1994, For the original talks thy had there, and there was a bit of bad shit that happend there.
I have also ben diagnosed with some Phsyc, problems from my Military service, and i cant even start to imagnie what my father goes through.
He went to Vietnam 3 times, and saw and went through some Very bad shit.

Even worse was his fathers generation, WWII vetrans, and worse again was the WWI vets.
They had no supprot and if they showed that they had problems they where called weak, and werent men.

Dez · 25-02-2005, 10:09 PM

as much as I too want all the soldiers, not just ours, to return safely to their families, the fact is, if you join the army, and there is a war, then where they are at the moment is where they belong.

if you join the army you should readily accept the fact that you may have to actually do some real fighting in a war.....thats what the army is there for.

too many people seem to join the army and are not at all willing to fight when it comes time to.

Timmeh · 25-02-2005, 10:15 PM

Dez - the issue for serving members is not the willingness to fight, its the attitude by people who have no idea, sitting on their couch, slagging us off.

No offence, but a vast majority have no idea what it's like and think that a war can be run like some sort of Hollywood script where it all ends with warm fuzzy feelings, a nice song, and some closing credits.

And then wonder why troops get tired, depressed, and frustrated when they get no support from home, because all they hear is that people back home don't think they should be there and are too busy arguing with each other, rather than showing a little bloody support.

The smallest things like writing a letter goes a hell of a long way, being stuck in a dusthole for months away from home, a letter makes your day, its something you can read over and over, and it feels like home.

They are the issues I am bringing up.

Tim

Dez · 25-02-2005, 10:20 PM

i wasn't really referring to your post mate, i was just making a general statement....its an opinion i've had for a while

some people would say "well why dont you go fight"
but the problem with that statement is, if i was to join the army, i would be willing to fight in a war, otherwise i would not have joined

and i'm not 1 of those people who sits at home slagging them off.... i'm not like that at all. my dad served for 22 years, and fortunately didnt have to fight, but i know he was willing to if the need arose.