Done Speeding

[kyro_02]

yeah it's alright , was driving mates car from qld to vic .. his car registration is qld and under his name... hopefully he doesn't get the fine because he doesn't have a way of getting mail :P

The time distance cams are pretty far apart so mostly pulled over for 10 mins fuel/rest etc. then cruise back to 120 on the dial but slow back to 100 for the cameras.

[jaskel]

if you are caugfht with Laser they dont take anything off...laser is accurate to +/-1km/h...

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by kyro_02

The time distance cams are pretty far apart so mostly pulled over for 10 mins fuel/rest etc. then cruise back to 120 on the dial but slow back to 100 for the cameras.

The way NSW govt is talking they will be every 50km. Do you need to stop that often for a pee??

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by jaskel

if you are caugfht with Laser they dont take anything off...laser is accurate to +/-1km/h...

Like I said earlier, most cops consider 115km/h (120km/h on the speedo) no great danger to society and will let you go on your way - in all my driving I am yet to meet one that thinks otherwise.

That said I am in no way condoning excessive speed. Crossing the lake george flats or the Bargo ramp is very different to travelling through the goulburn hills in torrential rain...... Drive safely to the conditions.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by jaskel

if you are caugfht with Laser they dont take anything off...laser is accurate to +/-1km/h...

Lasers aren't that accurate. The technology and principle is sound however in reality a busy main road cops too much interference.
They can be successfully argued against in court.

As for the speed tolerance thing, I believe we need to have limits, but I don't believe we need to be so anal that we spend the majority of our time focussing on the speedo and not the challenge of managing an 1800kg moving hunk of metal. This is where a lot of fatalities occur, as we have all witnessed changes in conditions over a split second. In real terms, we have focussed on speed over the years where a zero tolerance approach has been adopted, yet cars have gotten safer, roads have been upgraded, and the road toll (not to be confused with toll bar) has remained largely unchanged. Obviously something has not moved forward in line with other improvements.
I think a little more tolerance and leniency should be fostered in order to allow for less frustration. Don't make it such that it can encourage speeding but don't make it so stingy either, where a gust of wind can see your licence evaporate in the flash of a money box err, speed camera.

Yes, cop it on the chin if that turns you on but for goodness sake, if you feel as though you have been dudded then challenge for the sake of your sanity. Bracks will not miss it, he'll only use it to change his name from Bracks to Tax.

[jaskel]

Originally Posted by ltd

Lasers aren't that accurate. The technology and principle is sound however in reality a busy main road cops too much interference.
They can be successfully argued against in court.

are u for real...man we have tested so many laser guns against gps, calibrated speedos and even sat 3 laser guns with 3 shooters and all got exact same reading.

If the guns are calibrated correctly they will be 99% accurate...you may get some difference over 1500 feet but under 1000 feet these things are more accurate than any radar or speedo out there.

[bEAn86]

yeah SA os a much nice state to drive in i set the cruse at 117 and never had a problem, i set the cruse on 103.0 in Vic and the copper flashes his high beems at me!

[kyro_02]

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

The way NSW govt is talking they will be every 50km. Do you need to stop that often for a pee??

are ya kiddin me ? on the newell highway... they are bloody far apart

[ltd]

Originally Posted by jaskel

are u for real...man we have tested so many laser guns against gps, calibrated speedos and even sat 3 laser guns with 3 shooters and all got exact same reading.

If the guns are calibrated correctly they will be 99% accurate...you may get some difference over 1500 feet but under 1000 feet these things are more accurate than any radar or speedo out there.

Firstly, I wouldn't set my watch to GPS, there are some marked differences in metres which is to be expected from something measuring distances from 50Kilometres above you.
Secondly, the lidar guns require calibration just as the radars do. Before you try and woo me with averages etc ask yourself this; can you definitavely prove that they are 100% accurate? And I don't mean can you argue the point I mean really prove in say a courtroom setting where these matters are resolved that these measurement instruments are not succeptible to external and unintentional interruption, that they are specific down to the 0.1 of a metre, that they are reliable and are clearly able to consistently measure the same distance on a fixed let alone moving object? I work with measuring equipment that has peoples lives depend on it and I can tell you that there is nothing electronic out there that is 100% reliable all the time.

Believe me sunshine, there aint no case that can't be argued and won. If you have the time and are prepared to part with some cash, you can cast doubt in the judges mind sufficient to walk away with your licence and points intact.

[jaskel]

yeah i can, its called a calibration certificate...thats a legal doco and will hold up in court...ive seen it with my own eyes...and don't call me sunshine buddy!

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by ltd

Firstly, I wouldn't set my watch to GPS, there are some marked differences in metres which is to be expected from something measuring distances from 50Kilometres above you.

ltd is correct.

Civilian GPS is not all that accurate. You need Military grade GPS for that.

Civilian GPS horizontal position fixes are typically accurate to about 15 meters.

Sources of errors

Ionospheric effects >> ± 5 meter
Ephemeris errors >> ± 2.5 meter
Satellite clock errors >> ± 2 meter
Multipath distortion >> ± 1 meter
Tropospheric effects >> ± 0.5 meter
Numerical errors >> ± 1 meter or less

[fordbarbie]

i've been told that the tolerance in victoria at the moment is 3kph. but i've also heard that's due to our state being run by labour, and that the liberals allow a tolerance of 10%. don't know how true that is tho...
i'm pretty sure that on freeways the tolerance is more than 3%. i went past a parked cop while on my Ps doing just under 110kph and they didn't do anything.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by fordbarbie

i've been told that the tolerance in victoria at the moment is 3kph. but i've also heard that's due to our state being run by labour, and that the liberals allow a tolerance of 10%. don't know how true that is tho...
i'm pretty sure that on freeways the tolerance is more than 3%. i went past a parked cop while on my Ps doing just under 110kph and they didn't do anything.

Ah yes, BUT, was that what your speedo was telling you?

My speedo says 110, but I am really doing 103ish, according to those electronic speed checkers, and I assume that police radars are a similar spec.

Which is why all this 3kph over is BS, most speedos are not that accurate.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by jaskel

yeah i can, its called a calibration certificate...thats a legal doco and will hold up in court...ive seen it with my own eyes...and don't call me sunshine buddy!

Still can't definitavely prove that they focussed entirely on your vehicle, still can't prove no interference. As for the calibration certificate, you can't prove that the lidar wasn't accidentally dropped, rendering its calibration useless.

For example a laser based speed detection device in London recently clocked a cabbie doing 885kmh. Physically not possible but hey, they had a calibration certificate.

[fordbarbie]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Ah yes, BUT, was that what your speedo was telling you?

My speedo says 110, but I am really doing 103ish, according to those electronic speed checkers, and I assume that police radars are a similar spec.

Which is why all this 3kph over is BS, most speedos are not that accurate.

yeah i suppose that's prolly the case, but i drive an 85 corolla (i'm waiting till i'm off my Ps b4 i buy my pride and joy) so would it still occur with older cars??
i got my first and only speeding fine 2 years ago, and 3kph was taken off the speed in which i was snapped. plus i've been told this by an ex-cop but i suppose it may no longer be the case, but that was my reasoning behind it

[bArNsY]

I got a speeding fine over the Xmas break and only got the speed reduced by 2km/h (114km/h, radar got me at 116km/h) the copper then wrote the wrong thing up stating I exceeded limit by 15km/h but less than 25, in fact it was meant to be more than 10 but less than 15, I didn't really care because the fine was the same either way.

[jaskel]

Originally Posted by ltd

Still can't definitavely prove that they focussed entirely on your vehicle, still can't prove no interference

The laser beam is approx 3 feet wide at 1000 feet...so under 1000 feet there is relative proof it is focused on your viehcle...have u ever looked at a laser gun and also looked at its footprint under IR light?? id dear say no, if you have seen this you will understand it is near impossible to miss shoot a car or get reflection from another car interfering with the returned optics..

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by bArNsY

I got a speeding fine over the Xmas break and only got the speed reduced by 2km/h (114km/h, radar got me at 116km/h) the copper then wrote the wrong thing up stating I exceeded limit by 15km/h but less than 25, in fact it was meant to be more than 10 but less than 15, I didn't really care because the fine was the same either way.

Except that the "above 15 but less than 25' will go on your record and every time you get stopped in future and they radio in for your history this will come up !

[bArNsY]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Except that the "above 15 but less than 25' will go on your record and every time you get stopped in future and they radio in for your history this will come up !

I better ring up and change it, it's defiantly not something to be proud of when the police look at your driving history

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by bArNsY

I better ring up and change it, it's defiantly not something to be proud of when the police look at your driving history

Good move, dont forget that if ever a case gets to court the judge gets to see it as well!! (more dollars?)...

[ltd]

Originally Posted by jaskel

The laser beam is approx 3 feet wide at 1000 feet...so under 1000 feet there is relative proof it is focused on your viehcle...have u ever looked at a laser gun and also looked at its footprint under IR light?? id dear say no, if you have seen this you will understand it is near impossible to miss shoot a car or get reflection from another car interfering with the returned optics..

Still doesn't answer the question.

What your suggesting is that time and space stops whilst the beam is focussed on your car, as nothing could ever possibly intrude upon the beam could it?
Also, it doesn't leave a tag or a mark so it is difficult to prove it was focussed on your vehicle and not any other traffic.
What I'm getting at here is reasonable doubt. If the laser left a time stamp on the car it could then be proven that yours was the offending vehicle but without it how can you definitavely prove it?
My position on this is not on accuracy of apparatus but on the variables which could affect the police claim that they detected you speeding. At common law, it is a difficult claim to prove and most people accept being fined. If you have no points to lose or don't mind a challenge it is impossible for the police to prove their case against you, especially when you employ experts that can offer a rebuttle to the police' claim.
You might be right, but I can prove you wrong in court.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Except that the "above 15 but less than 25' will go on your record and every time you get stopped in future and they radio in for your history this will come up !

The important part of the penalty notice is the code, the penalty amount, the demerit points and the applicable section, example, If you did exceed the speed limit by 15km/h or more but less than 25km/h than the code is 1911, $215 and three demerit points, Road Rules Section 20. The narrative is just a guide.

[bArNsY]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The important part of the penalty notice is the code, the penalty amount, the demerit points and the applicable section, example, If you did exceed the speed limit by 15km/h or more but less than 25km/h than the code is 1911, $215 and three demerit points, Road Rules Section 20. The narrative is just a guide.

Even though my alleged was 114?
I checked a photocopy of my fine and it was as you stated code "1911"

[Focused]

Originally Posted by satria

shutup evilchief... that attitude sucks.

stand up for yourself instead of just admitting defeat. pussy.

some speed limits are sensible but most of them are rediculously low.

Yeah great attitude. Lets start a riot, shoot at a few red light cameras, throw bins at the cops and throw bricks through a few ambulances.
I hope your parole officer doesn't view this forum.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by bArNsY

Even though my alleged was 114?
I checked a photocopy of my fine and it was as you stated code "1911"

If the alleged speed was 114 in a 100 zone, should have been the next one down. I have no idea what the code is because I have never given a speeding ticket out for those sort of speeds..........

[VSSII]

It always amuses me how NASA can use LIDAR instruments to measure speed and distance accurately in the same manner police do, but if involves trying to slow people down so they don't kill themselves, lookout! Everyones an expert as to how they are unbelievably spurious! Always by people who aren't even aware of the guidelines of use of these instruments. Oh but how do we know these guidelines are adhered to?! It's a conspiracy! Spend a day at local Court and you'll learn more than a year on the internet.

Nah. It's just easier to believe whatever Naomi Robson tells you on the telly. Regardless of what people think regarding speed enforcement. I do pity the mexicans down south. You guys might as well learn how to drive whilst bending over and grabbing your ankles.

[kyro_02]

what i find interesting is.. on the Western Ring Road.. do people actually realize there are those new "safety cameras' are even there? people are going under them at about 110/120 ... and considering they're time-over-distance .. they're screwed !