Fastest (1/4 mile) stock aussie made fords - Page 2

nugget378 · 23-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Whats the point of how fast a stock car is?
If you get beaten by a modded one,your still beaten..
And in heads up racing,the fastest car wont always win,think about that one..

nommic · 23-09-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Whats the point of how fast a stock car is?

Because that's how fast it is out of the factory? No mods needed.

Granted you'll rarely find an unmodified car on this forum, but the stock quarter mile times are a fairly good indicator of the performance of the car.

XR8-260 · 24-09-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RTSW

Speed doesn't matter, distance travelled in x amount of time does.

The T-Series were and still are bloody good cars. But yeah nothing gets a sniff on a Typhoon. :evil3:

You're right, the car with the fastest ET wins the 1/4 mile race. However, mph indicates the potential of a car. I've seen a 280-300rwkw F6 Typhoon do the 1/4 mile in 13.7 seconds (he got wheelspin). Now a stock WRX Sti can also do the 1/4 mile in around 13.8 seconds. You'll find that while the times are similar, the mph is not. The F6 typhoon was travelling around 115mph compared with the Sti's 102mph.

SpoolMan · 24-09-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Stock with a BMC Airfilter from memory, six speed Auto.

Correct and its now Australia's 1st 10 sec F6. factory engine with Crow springs.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=6669911

Also BFF6 (Jimmy) in Sydney done 12.9.. there is a string of 13.2's and my slug done 13.3.

gtfpv · 24-09-2007, 02:08 AM

its the f6 without a doubt . full stop.

the auIII 220 KW was the 1st v8 to officially match the phase 3 @14.4 sec qrtr. then the ts50 took it to neeww levels @14 flat. the ba gt recorde 13.8 officially. dont know offically what 6 spd bf, has recorded. but the f6 officially recorded 13.3.

Steffo · 24-09-2007, 02:22 AM

Fastest 1/4 mile stock Falcons in order would be something like...

1. FPV F6 Typhoon (BAII-BFII)
2. FPV GT (BA-BFII)
3. Ford TE50 (AUIII)
4. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseIII (XY)
5. Ford Falcon XR8 (BA-BFII)
6. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseII (XW)
7. Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo (BA-BFII)
8. Ford Falcon XT V8 (BF-BFII)
9. Ford Falcon XR8 220i (AUII-AUIII) & Ford TE50 (AUII) & TS50 (AU) - Same engine
10. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseI (XW)

That'd be a Top 10. Thought of by memory as long as it took to type that, so I might re-arrange some things if I bother to look into it a bit better, but that's roughly it.

Falc'man · 24-09-2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

its the f6 without a doubt . full stop.

the auIII 220 KW was the 1st v8 to officially match the phase 3 @14.4 sec qrtr. then the ts50 took it to neeww levels @14 flat. the ba gt recorde 13.8 officially. dont know offically what 6 spd bf, has recorded. but the f6 officially recorded 13.3.

Motor Mag got 13.5 in an FPV GT with ZF.

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Whats the point of how fast a stock car is?
If you get beaten by a modded one,your still beaten..
And in heads up racing,the fastest car wont always win,think about that one..

The point is it allows the two opposing tribes (Ford & Holden) to brag about who is fastest. But then it also allows the other 3 sets of tribes - Boss/T-series owners and V8/turbo owners and Clevo/Windsor owners - to brag about the same thing. It never ends does it?

But the point you make is a good one. Some would have the perception that their car is faster than the guy's beside them because they read it somewhere in a magazine... then they start scratching their heads after they get spanked.
Like the guy in his VE SS who got his ar%e handed to him TWICE by MYLO_XR6 in his NA6. He was very confused after learning MYLO's car wasn't boosted.

SpoolMan · 24-09-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Fastest 1/4 mile stock Falcons in order would be something like...

1. FPV F6 Typhoon (BAII-BFII)
2. FPV GT (BA-BFII)
3. Ford TE50 (AUIII)
4. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseIII (XY)
5. Ford Falcon XR8 (BA-BFII)
6. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseII (XW)
7. Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo (BA-BFII)
8. Ford Falcon XT V8 (BF-BFII)
9. Ford Falcon XR8 220i (AUII-AUIII) & Ford TE50 (AUII) & TS50 (AU) - Same engine
10. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseI (XW)

That'd be a Top 10. Thought of by memory as long as it took to type that, so I might re-arrange some things if I bother to look into it a bit better, but that's roughly it.

5. Ford Falcon XR8 (BA) 13.6 xa-coupe.
7. Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo (BFII) 13.7 I know 2 of them that run that bog stock.

56L · 24-09-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Fastest 1/4 mile stock Falcons in order would be something like...

1. FPV F6 Typhoon (BAII-BFII)
2. FPV GT (BA-BFII)
3. Ford TE50 (AUIII)
4. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseIII (XY)
5. Ford Falcon XR8 (BA-BFII)
6. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseII (XW)
7. Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo (BA-BFII)
8. Ford Falcon XT V8 (BF-BFII)
9. Ford Falcon XR8 220i (AUII-AUIII) & Ford TE50 (AUII) & TS50 (AU) - Same engine
10. Ford Falcon GT-HO PhaseI (XW)

That'd be a Top 10. Thought of by memory as long as it took to type that, so I might re-arrange some things if I bother to look into it a bit better, but that's roughly it.

That seems like a pretty reasonable order,how would that order go if you put them in on a circuit?

Steffo · 24-09-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 56L

That seems like a pretty reasonable order,how would that order go if you put them in on a circuit?

I'd probably push the Hoeys off the list and replace them with a bunch of later model AU and BA XR's, with the F6 still on top, and FPV GT third rather then second, second place being taken by the AUIII TE50.

56L · 24-09-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

I'd probably push the Hoeys off the list and replace them with a bunch of later model AU and BA XR's, with the F6 still on top, and FPV GT third rather then second, second place being taken by the AUIII TE50.

I was thinking along the same lines as well

soulfire · 24-09-2007, 06:18 PM

A BA V8 XT is not quicker than an AU3...

And 70caprigt3k XR5 Turbos are manual only, not sure how you ran an auto one - and they're good for a high 14.

56L · 24-09-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by soulfire

A BA V8 XT is not quicker than an AU3...

Probably too close to debate

Falc'man · 24-09-2007, 06:22 PM

I agree with soulfire.

And you can go back alot further than the AU to find something quicker around the track than the ol' GTHO's... EB XR6 would most likely do the job.

Steffo · 24-09-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by soulfire

A BA V8 XT is not quicker than an AU3...

And 70caprigt3k XR5 Turbos are manual only, not sure how you ran an auto one - and they're good for a high 14.

BA XT V8 isn't. You'll notice that I posted BF-BFII, with the 230kW 500Nm engine and Six-Speed auto. One of those will make mince meat of an AUIII XR8.

Falc'man · 24-09-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

BA XT V8 isn't. You'll notice that I posted BF-BFII, with the 230kW 500Nm engine and Six-Speed auto. One of those will make mince meat of an AUIII XR8.

Still isn't.

soulfire · 24-09-2007, 06:33 PM

Well, Steffo, while I haven't owned a 6 speed 230kw, I did work for a Ford dealership, and my XR8 had a bit on a BF2 Ghia with that powertrain combo.

**Falcon Coupe** · 24-09-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

I agree with soulfire.

And you can go back alot further than the AU to find something quicker around the track than the ol' GTHO's... EB XR6 would most likely do the job.

Old tyres aside, i very much doubt it, i have been in a Hoey, they go like stink and don't handle as bad as some may think.
Pulled 240kph in no time, would eat any EB round Bathurst.

**Bluehoon** · 24-09-2007, 06:43 PM

12s for a ZF, F6 with BMC Filter. Gotta set record doesn't it???

Falc'man · 24-09-2007, 06:45 PM

I beg to differ. Can't remember what I did with that magazine but it had an EB XR8 managing similar (if not better) times than the HO P3. Both cars were taken around on the same day. But you could argue the Hoey wouldn't have been pushed to its limit. Debatable.

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

would eat any EB round Bathurst.

Certainly not the EB GT???

fordAU · 24-09-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

I beg to differ. Can't remember what I did with that magazine but it had an EB XR8 managing similar (if not better) times than the HO P3. Both cars were taken around on the same day. But you could argue the Hoey wouldn't have been pushed to its limit. Debatable.

Certainly not the EB GT???

Seriously mate, if you dont mind me saying forget the mags, there is no comparison between the performance of the GTHO's of the time and an XR6.

The HO's were/are seriously quick, there is no comparison.

Cheers.

**Bluehoon** · 24-09-2007, 06:56 PM

Go and get a Hoey, and go and get a BF F6 with ZF. Which one is gonna pull a faster ET? And then a faster lap time.

Typhoon, modern day HOey...

4Vman · 24-09-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluehoon

Go and get a Hoey, and go and get a BF F6 with ZF. Which one is gonna pull a faster ET? And then a faster lap time.

Typhoon, modern day HOey...

You'd hope so too after 36 years of development, but when you look at 1/4 times we havent come very far at all considering a well tuned Phase 3 is capable of a high 13 on decent rubber...

**Falcon Coupe** · 24-09-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluehoon

Go and get a Hoey, and go and get a BF F6 with ZF. Which one is gonna pull a faster ET? And then a faster lap time.

Typhoon, modern day HOey...

No one disputes this, the call was E series vs Hoey.

**Bluehoon** · 24-09-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

You'd hope so too after 36 years of development, but when you look at 1/4 times we havent come very far at all considering a well tuned Phase 3 is capable of a high 13 on decent rubber...

See your point and I do agree. However, take a bog stock X series XT, bolt your Hoey driveline in run it. Then bolt your F6 driveline in, run it.

Development, the F6 driveline will kill it. The rise in emissions, and safety standards has led to more development, placed into all aspects of the car...
Not just engine..

Cheers

fordAU · 24-09-2007, 07:10 PM

Factory output of the PH3 was probably around the 380hp mark, they also weighed bugger all.

The modern day GT and T3 are probably very close to the performance of the HO3, the fastest factory Aussie Ford to date is without doubt the F6.

Tiapan · 24-09-2007, 07:13 PM

wow! i didnt realise how fast the tyhoon was! might have to go shopping

what about the fastest holden???

70caprigt3k · 24-09-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by soulfire

A BA V8 XT is not quicker than an AU3...

And 70caprigt3k XR5 Turbos are manual only, not sure how you ran an auto one - and they're good for a high 14.

Could have been manual, i really dunno but what i do know is that i stuffed up my start, passed the xr5 half track and ran a 14.8 and was miles ahead of the xr5. Im pretty sure it was 15.3 the xr5 ran but it was defineately in the 15's.

nugget378 · 24-09-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

I beg to differ. Can't remember what I did with that magazine but it had an EB XR8 managing similar (if not better) times than the HO P3. Both cars were taken around on the same day. But you could argue the Hoey wouldn't have been pushed to its limit. Debatable.

Certainly not the EB GT???

Forget the magazines.
What is the EBGT? I test drove one when they were new at Dominelli ford,IMO they are more an "image car" than anything.
Have a drive of one of these old cars with a good set of tyres and then decide,untill you do that you are just guessing.
Do you realise that there is 3 seconds a lap from today real good street tyres to a set of semi slicks,imagine the difference to the tyres of the 70's?
You cant transfer the times from back then to now,the tyres are a million times better,the track prep too,I wasnt going to bring this up for fear of stirring up a hornets nest,but a friend of mine has basically a "HO" spec engine in an XY fairmont,and it ran a fly's dick off a 12 on street tyres with a 3.5 rear/toploader combo.
The XY is lighter and these "built to spec" engines are making just shy of 400hp,its not rocket science to work it out,1500kgx390hp..

4Vman · 24-09-2007, 07:34 PM

Here's food for thought... Moffat held the lap record in his Phase 3 in 1972 with a 2.35.
I know this will ruffle a few feathers and ego's but this year at the Bathurst 12hr event a BFXR8 out shone all the other local products including XR6T, F6 and T3 as the first local car home..

Best Lap times:

XR6T 2.46..
F6 2.39.88
T3 2.40.67
XR8 2.40.60

(Moffat in 72 in the H3: 2.35)

Yes i know the circuit has changed, but they've improved it allot too....