I am throwing down the gauntlet!!!

[StealthAu]

Originally Posted by Stav

My bro had an xa 2 v 250 it was the quickest six I have ever been in.Including turbo cars. It was using 80 dollars of fuel for 250kays back in 1983..but it was worth it!!!

Around 1L per 1KM?

[Stav]

Originally Posted by StealthAu

Around 1L per 1KM?

Trust me to reach the radio under wide open throttle we needed a month with the ab king pro stomach exerciser.It was super torquey!!

[StealthAu]

back on the subject of times and turbo-n/a, 14's are the norm for the N/A I6 Falcons, as is 12's for the turbo's, 13's for the N/a's are 11's for the Turbos.
I guess what I'm saying, is no matter what, there will always be someone faster then you.

[Stav]

Originally Posted by StealthAu

back on the subject of times and turbo-n/a, 14's are the norm for the N/A I6 Falcons, as is 12's for the turbo's, 13's for the N/a's are 11's for the Turbos.
I guess what I'm saying, is no matter what, there will always be someone faster then you.

Depends how far you want to take it and if you know something they dont.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Stav

Depends how far you want to take it and if you know something they dont.

I can't agree at all with you on this mate.

A turbo'ed donk will always have much more up it's sleeve than an NA motor of the same make. Just keep pouring boost on.

I had a pretty good NA 6 in my XH, and I was pretty happy with how it went, however I'm seriously contemplating a turbo for my AU.
Mainly because NA I'm pushing up hill trying to reach even 200rwkw.
With a turbo, 200rwkw is a walk in the park, and even 300rwkw isn't that much effort.

At the end of the day, I don't really care how it makes it's power, I just want lots of it, and a hair dryer is looking more and more desirable to me.

Rick.

[Stav]

Originally Posted by Sox

I can't agree at all with you on this mate.

A turbo'ed donk will always have much more up it's sleeve than an NA motor of the same make. Just keep pouring boost on.

I had a pretty good NA 6 in my XH, and I was pretty happy with how it went, however I'm seriously contemplating a turbo for my AU.
Mainly because NA I'm pushing up hill trying to reach even 200rwkw.
With a turbo, 200rwkw is a walk in the park, and even 300rwkw isn't that much effort.

At the end of the day, I don't really care how it makes it's power, I just want lots of it, and a hair dryer is looking more and more desirable to me.

Rick.

True true.Cranking up the boost and then if it doesnt break it should get more power.Maybe I am expecting too much from the 4.0 i6 in na form...

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Stav

True true.Cranking up the boost and then if it doesnt break it should get more power.

Not should, will, all things being equal and done properly.
Stopping them from breaking is easy enough, but it doesn't come cheap when we're talking lots of power, reliably.

Maybe I am expecting too much from the 4.0 i6 in na form...

Very likely.
They're a not a bad engine, but they're no 3.2L BMW M3 engine.

For road use, I suspect 200rwkw is their practical limit, which is really pretty bloody good.
But still a long way from what a turbo can easily achieve.

Rick.

[Racecraft]

Originally Posted by Stav

True true.Cranking up the boost and then if it doesnt break it should get more power.Maybe I am expecting too much from the 4.0 i6 in na form...

maybe you are not thinking straight.. It isn't the 4.0 in n/a form that is the killer, it's the 1500-1600 kilo body that it nestles in. To see the true potential of the n/a 6 potter throw it into a lighter car.. Got a Cortina laying around at home Stav?
It is not the fault of the engine that is holding us back but the fact that we are trying to push a full sized family car down the road with only 170-180 rwkw. To make a car boogie you need two things weight or power.. In N/a form the 4.0l just doesn't have enough huff and puff to do the job for the average bloke. I remember long time ago when Aesop was still writing fables the Mock EB that had no interior was running 13.8 yet today with 'new' designed headers, cam shaft profiles and the be all and end all- the EDIt we aren't any further along...
I am not shooting you down Stav, I admire your devotion and inspirational qualities but I don't think it is for everyone.

[Stav]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

maybe you are not thinking straight.. It isn't the 4.0 in n/a form that is the killer, it's the 1500-1600 kilo body that it nestles in. To see the true potential of the n/a 6 potter throw it into a lighter car.. Got a Cortina laying around at home Stav?
It is not the fault of the engine that is holding us back but the fact that we are trying to push a full sized family car down the road with only 170-180 rwkw. To make a car boogie you need two things weight or power.. In N/a form the 4.0l just doesn't have enough huff and puff to do the job for the average bloke. I remember long time ago when Aesop was still writing fables the Mock EB that had no interior was running 13.8 yet today with 'new' designed headers, cam shaft profiles and the be all and end all- the EDIt we aren't any further along...
I am not shooting you down Stav, I admire your devotion and inspirational qualities but I don't think it is for everyone.

No worries mate. The bigger plan for the wagon is to be deregistered and become a drag only car.Lighter body parts and crazy camshaft are on the agenda. The bmw m3 weighs around 1300 kgs with the 3.2 litre engine .Nissan 200sx I have seen with 10 killowatts more than mine on Croydons dyno pull mid 13's due to their weight. I think I am addicted to making something happen which is unlikely.
Maybe I should start a horsepower helpline for horsepower addicts..lol

You can quit with help!!

[Stav]

It all started with a light seduction of headers and exhaust..then I wanted more...I got hooked on cams and headwork!!!

Sox what do you really think we can achieve with these cars with a streetable au ford down the 1/4 mile?

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Stav

It all started with a light seduction of headers and exhaust..then I wanted more...I got hooked on cams and headwork!!!

Yer, addictive ain't it....

Sox what do you really think we can achieve with these cars with a streetable au ford down the 1/4 mile?

Really tough question as everyones idea of streetable is different.
My idea is something which a wife could still take kids to school with, in comfort.
So based on that, I would reason that low 14's / high 13's are it.

If wifey ain't driving, and you're not interested in rear seats, idling issues, etc, then I would imagine getting into the 12 sec bracket isn't out of the question.

But, as I said above, with a turbo, it could be used as a daily driven vehicle and run 12's.

It really depends on what you're after.

Rick.

EDIT: BTW, an E46 BMW M3 is just a bee's dick over 1500kg.

[Sonik]

Originally Posted by StealthAu

Around 1L per 1KM?

Sucks if you want to go to sydney :

[Stav]

Originally Posted by Sox

Yer, addictive ain't it....

Really tough question as everyones idea of streetable is different.
My idea is something which a wife could still take kids to school with, in comfort.
So based on that, I would reason that low 14's / high 13's are it.

If wifey ain't driving, and you're not interested in rear seats, idling issues, etc, then I would imagine getting into the 12 sec bracket isn't out of the question.

But, as I said above, with a turbo, it could be used as a daily driven vehicle and run 12's.

It really depends on what you're after.

Rick.

EDIT: BTW, an E46 BMW M3 is just a bee's dick over 1500kg.

I am planning on 2 trips to wsid in Winter. My first trip will be in full street trim and my second will be stripped for the sake of comparison.It is going to be n interesting experiment.