Bargain Supercharger Kit Coming?

[Eu-GenixX]

Originally Posted by sly

You are spoilt for choice in Brisvegas. Quite a few CAPA and aftermarket ECU tuners, and Chiptorque are based up there and can tune for boost in their workshop. TurboTaxi has a Chiptorque 7psi chip in his AU IIRC, I don't know whether he took his car to them or just had them post the chip to him. It may be old tech but it seems to work for him. And who knows how many will pick up the Sniper system?

yeah i called a tuning shop up here and he suggested a chiptorque chip over the capa tuner..

what is this sniper system??.. i been seeing the name but know nothing about it.... are there real time tuning sytems that can be piggybacked with the standard ecu?

[FGII-XR6]

the sniper is a PC based tuning system and apparently has a lot more parameters that can be changed than a cappa. they are a BPT product so best to call them and they should be able to fill you in

[Eu-GenixX]

hrmm.. i tried dealing with bpt once before.. and left me quite unhappy... i was told they could do something.. then when i wanted it done.. they ignored me....

[FGII-XR6]

[QUOTE=XRQTOR]Smallish towns such as newcastle is another story, QUOTE]: where have you been hiding??? Newcastle is the 6th larges city in Australia bigger than some capital cities so Newcastle could not be described as small by any stretch of the immagination. but thats what you would expect from Sydney you all seem to think you are the only place with decent facilities. a significant number of major companies are relocating here now including a large bus manufacturer that determined that Sydney is too expensive to own real estate in. sorry to dissapoint you but Newcastle is a large city and Sydney is not heaven

[sly]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

sorry to dissapoint you but Newcastle is a large city and Sydney is not heaven

I know where you're coming from Brett but some causes are not worth the effort... :togo:

I have to admit though that our performance workshops are very conservative in the products or markets they are willing to take on. We have one CAPA tuner that I know of, the one listed on CAPA's website having reputedly gone into hiding. I know you can get CAPA gear through Ryan O'Connor but I don't think he's set up to tune yet.

By comparison, (from the CAPA website) Tamworth has one CAPA dealer, Wollongong has 2 (plus one close by at Menai), Canberra has 3 plus one in Queanbeyan, that's 4 for a town smaller than Newcastle, must be a really small place then... there are 14 CAPA dealers in Western Australia, is the population of WA 14 times that of Newcastle????? Get f*d!!!

It would seem that we are grossly underserviced.

[sly]

Originally Posted by Eu-GenixX

what is this sniper system??.. i been seeing the name but know nothing about it.... are there real time tuning sytems that can be piggybacked with the standard ecu?

Have a read of this thread for starters http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=104453. There are links to BPT's website for more info there too. If you buy the Commando package and have a laptop you won't need to get BPT to do anything for you. You can take the software to any dyno tuner you choose and work with them to get a completely custom tune.

There is also a tune generator to which you can input details of your mods & it'll create a generic tune that can be tweaked by a tuner. Not sure if that bit is available yet though.

[XRQTOR]

[QUOTE=au3xr6]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Smallish towns such as newcastle is another story, QUOTE]: where have you been hiding??? Newcastle is the 6th larges city in Australia bigger than some capital cities so Newcastle could not be described as small by any stretch of the immagination. but thats what you would expect from Sydney you all seem to think you are the only place with decent facilities. a significant number of major companies are relocating here now including a large bus manufacturer that determined that Sydney is too expensive to own real estate in. sorry to dissapoint you but Newcastle is a large city and Sydney is not heaven

Mate who really care's, i for one dont. But i do like how you can make assumptions based on 1 single comment i made, personally i hate sydney. I wish we could wipe out 9o% of it and the current population as it's going to be the downfall of this great country.

[sly]

Originally Posted by sly

There is also a tune generator to which you can input details of your mods & it'll create a generic tune that can be tweaked by a tuner. Not sure if that bit is available yet though.

Update to this... BPT are hoping to have the AU software available by the end of the year. They've done B series first for market penetration, then E series as there is more demand than for the AU.

Ironically the AU PWM datalogging is available now, but datalogging for the B series still isn't working. $800 all up for PC-based scanning, monitoring and logging.

I for one am looking forward to next year

[donno]

Originally Posted by sly

There is also a tune generator to which you can input details of your mods & it'll create a generic tune that can be tweaked by a tuner. Not sure if that bit is available yet though.

I'm definitely sold now!

[Eu-GenixX]

same as all stories.... not available yet... hehe

[Bobman]

So will there be a "bargain" BA kit aswell? Or at least half a kit?

[sly]

Bobman if you are asking about the s/c kit (reasonable given it's the topic of the thread, mea culpa for hijacking it), it's already available for the BA, they did it first... see http://www.raptorsc.com.au/ and check the B series forum for feedback on it.

[Bobman]

I did see it, but at $5000 for a Raptor kit, $3500 sounds more favourable as this topic mentions.

How can an AU kit be $1500 cheaper?

[sly]

Unless the site has been updated the last couple of days, the figure of $3500 is a target rather than firm price. Think of the kit as being the logical equivalent of a Snort turbo kit, ie it has only the core bits, head unit, bracket, pulleys, piping.

So no charge cooling, injectors, fuel management, tune etc. It'll be interesting to see the cost of a full install with all these added on top. I'd guess at around $5500 all up plus labour... compared to CAPA, TANSTAAFL.

[Eu-GenixX]

yeah... i think i've ruled out myself using this as an alternative to turbo...

they still have no price on the website either.... i got ignored the first time i contacted them... so i aint gunna bother contacting them again.....

[ayeyew]

yeah.. i think im kinda going the other way too..

I think i'm gonna get the snort stage 4 thru crescent motorsports.

I really was confused between the two a week or two ago, but now i think my mind is set.. Snort is it

Hopefully in about 3 months! w00t! w00t!

Dunno how my insurance is gonna like that.. or the police.. :(

GODDAMN IT

[sly]

The Raptor site has been updated, this kit is now advertised as available at http://www.raptorsc.com.au/kits.php?id=36. It's rated at 260-280 FWKW at 9 or 10 psi and includes:

• 29lb injectors
• Polished metal piping and silicone hose
• Substantial mounting bracket for perfect alignment
• BOV
• Pod type air filter

But is advertised as POA. Be interesting to see a price & how much tuning it needs.

[StealthAu]

gee, this is a tough decision. Turbo, or the POS belt drive version with limits at around 10psi. Here is the reality of it - If you are looking to spen 5k and never spend an extra cent, nor want more then 180ish rwkw's, then the s/c kit might be something to look at. But for the same sort of dollars you can get yourself a JMM head and cam package, have the same sort of power, included with its limitations and not have to worry about emissions. Don't waste your money on crap that just leave you wanting more without an option of getting it.

[sly]

If we all wanted the same thing, life would be pretty boring. I've already started getting bits for a turbo instal, but have been watching this thread and the site for a while so thought it might be worthwhile to let others know of the announced release. No need to hang shight on me thanks.

[StealthAu]

Wasn't trying to hang shight on you, just voicing my opinion. I just don't understand why someone would spend the samed dollars as a turbo kit, have the same legality issues, just for inferior results.

[Mark351]

$5000? It's not that much. This kit, as mentioned above, was requoted for a member at $3900, but as the page says, POA so call and ask. If you have a Flash tuner, (as most AU owners seem to do now) just add the cost of another custom tune on top.

stockau, your opinion is just that but claiming inferior results is a bit off particularly when you're a bit short of all the facts. If you can get a good turbo setup without any durability issues done for less than $4K go for it. When your factor in that some have spent $$ on headers, add that to your turbo costs because those are no longer usable. you'll be tapping oil lines, etc when this kit is just a very simple bolt on. Should you sell the car, or have other issues, it's a simpler bolt-off affair too. The JMM option hasn't exactly been all rosey in the durability department either, and the labour costs associated after you've got the gear makes it's more expensive too.

The base head units can be pushed to 14PSI, but up to 10 is safe. I don't see a lot of street-turbo setups trying to push more than that, nor would you without adding intercooling. They are doing a higher rated head unit that would go well in such a setup and provide more boost.

Bottom line is you don't have understand where someone spends they own dollars, and bagging stuff you haven't had any experience with is plain rude.

[StealthAu]

Yeah turbo kits are alos around 3.5k. Take into account extras, time or cost of installation, and for the most basic setup either way your looking at closer to 5k. With the centrifcial blowers, if they are making 10 or 14psi, thats at peak revs.

[Mark351]

The s/c kit doesn't need 'extras' that's the point, and they're a lot easier to install. We can argue the point all day, but someone people might prefer to spend their money on someone they gives a good power increase without too much hassle. It's certainly the route I was intending to go beore I bought the new truck.

[xr8ute]

There is very little tech info (almost none) on Raptors website, but luckily there is some good info on the 928 motorsports site. I suggest anyone considering one of these blowers check it out, http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/...erchargers.php

It seems a pretty small blower for a 4.0L IMO, at only 750cfm....thats even smaller than the Powerdyne BD11a (which I believe is 850cfm), and is smaller than the Vortech S/SC trim head units at 1000cfm.

I would hold out for their R spec head unit for only a $200 more ($2700 vs 2500 for the V spec on the website), although there doesn't appear to be any info on how much larger this blower will be.

The seem pretty good for the money. Like all things though, time will tell just how much money a customer will have invested in this kit by the time it is completely up and running, and just how durable/reliable they are in the long term.

What pulley size are they using on the kit? Just wondering how close to peak impeller rpm the head unit is in the std 9psi kit...i.e. is room to move for more power or is the head unit already maxed-out?

[xr8ute]

Originally Posted by Death351

The s/c kit doesn't need 'extras' that's the point, and they're a lot easier to install.

It needs a custom tune doesn't it?

For someone that doesn't already have a flash tune box, that could be an additional $1200-1500 depending on the cost of the custom tune. A fairly significant 'extra' IMO.

[sly]

Originally Posted by Death351

$5000? It's not that much. This kit, as mentioned above, was requoted for a member at $3900, but as the page says, POA so call and ask. If you have a Flash tuner, (as most AU owners seem to do now) just add the cost of another custom tune on top.

That's alright if you have someone handy who can do custom tunes. Many of us don't. I've emailed Tim about the kits and tuning already, he says:

Originally Posted by RaptorSC

The tuning will happen this week or next at the latest. Can report on results then. Kit is actually released but with out a tune at this moment, tune should be part of the kit soon ……… as soon as the tuning here is done.

Will be interesting to see what tuning technology he uses & what a tuned kit will cost.

FWIW I'd be surprised if my dual-fuel 6psi turbo install came in much under $10k tuned and engineered, will track the costs in my build thread.

[Mark351]

Originally Posted by xr8ute

It needs a custom tune doesn't it?

For someone that doesn't already have a flash tune box, that could be an additional $1200-1500 depending on the cost of the custom tune. A fairly significant 'extra' IMO.

I did say add tune on top didn't I? The turbo kits usually need other extras parts. Do a search of people enquiring about turbo setups, and find out what people say you need on top of a snort kit other than just a tune. That is what I meant by extras.

[Mark351]

Originally Posted by sly

That's alright if you have someone handy who can do custom tunes. Many of us don't. I've emailed Tim about the kits and tuning already, he says:


Will be interesting to see what tuning technology he uses & what a tuned kit will cost.

FWIW I'd be surprised if my dual-fuel 6psi turbo install came in much under $10k tuned and engineered, will track the costs in my build thread.

Tim has mentioned Chiptorque previously so I imagine they might be involved.

[The Monty]

With a turbo kit, there is a plethora of things that need to be added into it. My turbo kit cost $1800, then I spent another $2000 on parts and I wasnt finished then even.
I ended up selling most stuff off, but kept some of it, which I may be able to use if I get this kit. This is really tempting, as up here in QLD, no such thing as emissions testing, just need a mod plate, which as long as nothing is fouling, its neat, and not leaking, and isnt overly loud, you will get a mod plate.


Im not sure if you will know Death351, but are we able to emit parts we dont need at a revised price? for instance, I dont need injectors or filter, so would they give me a revised price on a kit?

[Mark351]

I'm not sure Monty, but I would think you'd be able to omit parts and do a deal - have a chat with Tim.