Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-09-2019, 05:38 PM   #1
Syndrome
Ford screwed the Falcon
 
Syndrome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 5,178
Exclamation Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

https://europe.autonews.com/automake...n-boost-profit

Ford's inability to generate enough appealing products is starting to have a negative impact.
__________________
Falcon: 1960 - 2016

My cars

Current ride
2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual

Previous rides
2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto
2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto
2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual
1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual
1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto
1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto
Syndrome is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 10-09-2019, 06:09 PM   #2
ryeman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central Vic
Posts: 3,438
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndrome View Post
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...n-boost-profit

Ford's inability to generate enough appealing products is starting to have a negative impact.


Moodys........hmmm
They were the ones that gave AAA investment grade ratings to the no-doc loan package securities being flogged (by their employer) which caused the GFC.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Wherenoshockjocksfly

Facts or the twitterverse, your choice!

C4 Picasso 1.6 turbo e-THP EAT6 and averaging 5.2/100 on E10/94/95
ryeman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
7 users like this post:
Old 10-09-2019, 07:38 PM   #3
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,982
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by ryeman View Post
Moodys........hmmm
They were the ones that gave AAA investment grade ratings to the no-doc loan package securities being flogged (by their employer) which caused the GFC.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Exactly, they can't see what's ahead so their calls are lagging indicator.

Right now, Ford stock is aound $9 and everything says sell sell sell
but canny traders will be watching and buying up as it goes lower
waiting for the turnaround next year or so.

The lower rating is exactly because Ford is diverting profit into restructuring
and new products, so rather than being stupid and wasteful, Ford is doing
things to move it business in the right direction, especially Europe and USA.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-09-2019, 08:40 PM   #4
Sprintey
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Sprintey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Catland
Posts: 1,224
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Tend to agree, if you look at the new product recently released in the States like Aviator, Expedition, Explorer and F Series, the hybrid ecoboost V6s - some of that stuff is seriously desirable. Crying shame it isn't coming here.
__________________
I6 + AWD
Sprintey is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
4 users like this post:
Old 10-09-2019, 09:01 PM   #5
ryeman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central Vic
Posts: 3,438
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

They might have great conventional products but itís now a shrinking market with GM and Ford looking at rising unit costs at a time when the exact opposite applies to the tech competition ie lower unit costs from expanding sales numbers.
Rivian is an asset for Ford in the Ute market perhaps.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Wherenoshockjocksfly

Facts or the twitterverse, your choice!

C4 Picasso 1.6 turbo e-THP EAT6 and averaging 5.2/100 on E10/94/95
ryeman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 10-09-2019, 11:43 PM   #6
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,982
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by ryeman View Post
They might have great conventional products but itís now a shrinking market with GM and Ford looking at rising unit costs at a time when the exact opposite applies to the tech competition ie lower unit costs from expanding sales numbers.
Rivian is an asset for Ford in the Ute market perhaps.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
GM just had a massive month in the US with over 288,000 sales,
BEV sales are still flecks of fly poop at this time.

Ford s still rolling out Explorer/Aviator, Escape is about to change
7.3 and 10-speed auto across the board for Super Duty in Q 4 and,
a ton of new products next year from mexico as well as Bronco in Michigan.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 11-09-2019, 07:36 AM   #7
ryeman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central Vic
Posts: 3,438
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

I understand the difference between the American market and others, but which particular American vehicles are we going to import in big numbers ?.
The average Australian city dweller buys predominantly Asian and European these days I would have thought.
The Koreans are seemingly worried about cannibalising their own ICE fleet and so, it appears, arenít particularly keen on supplying the Kona and Niro Electric oneís in significant numbers.
Salesmen/women will be keen to reinforce your prejudices however because dealerships arenít looking forward to the future of a vehicle not needing constant maintenance.
I suspect new car sales margins will increase to offset the lost maintenance revenues...........and that can be done online.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Wherenoshockjocksfly

Facts or the twitterverse, your choice!

C4 Picasso 1.6 turbo e-THP EAT6 and averaging 5.2/100 on E10/94/95
ryeman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 11-09-2019, 02:37 PM   #8
Bossxr8
Peter Car
 
Bossxr8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 18,376
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

They are still only 1 grade below investment grade. Not much required to have it back there.
Bossxr8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-09-2019, 01:33 PM   #9
Hemihunter
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 835
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
GM just had a massive month in the US with over 288,000 sales,
BEV sales are still flecks of fly poop at this time.

Ford s still rolling out Explorer/Aviator, Escape is about to change
7.3 and 10-speed auto across the board for Super Duty in Q 4 and,
a ton of new products next year from mexico as well as Bronco in Michigan.
Im hearing alot of issues with the new 10 speed in the F150... is this the same 10 speed auto in the rangers?
Hemihunter is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 16-09-2019, 11:01 PM   #10
jpd80
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
jpd80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,982
Valued Contributor: For members whose non technical contributions are worthy of recognition. - Issue reason: Thoughtful contributions to our community 
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemihunter View Post
Im hearing alot of issues with the new 10 speed in the F150... is this the same 10 speed auto in the rangers?
Indeed it is the same gearbox and some of the issues is traced to faulty Valve bodies as well as software issues.

Lots is a relative term when there is already close to two million ten speed auto F150s in USA & Canada

Last edited by jpd80; 16-09-2019 at 11:07 PM.
jpd80 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 26-09-2019, 08:13 AM   #11
ryeman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central Vic
Posts: 3,438
Default Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

2028 Mustang auto roll-away issue


https://www.autoserviceprofessional....789H0353367J6A


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Wherenoshockjocksfly

Facts or the twitterverse, your choice!

C4 Picasso 1.6 turbo e-THP EAT6 and averaging 5.2/100 on E10/94/95
ryeman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 26-09-2019, 11:21 AM   #12
Fordman1
Summer is great
Donating Member3
 
Fordman1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Victoria
Posts: 3,849
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by ryeman View Post
2028 Mustang auto roll-away issue


https://www.autoserviceprofessional....789H0353367J6A


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
And that has what to do with this thread ?
Fordman1 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 26-09-2019, 11:23 AM   #13
ryeman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central Vic
Posts: 3,438
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fordman1 View Post
And that has what to do with this thread ?


Throw it in the bin if you like.
Itís not worth a thread is it?.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Wherenoshockjocksfly

Facts or the twitterverse, your choice!

C4 Picasso 1.6 turbo e-THP EAT6 and averaging 5.2/100 on E10/94/95
ryeman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 26-09-2019, 11:26 AM   #14
ryeman
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Central Vic
Posts: 3,438
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
Indeed it is the same gearbox and some of the issues is traced to faulty Valve bodies as well as software issues.



Lots is a relative term when there is already close to two million ten speed auto F150s in USA & Canada


To quote Fordman1

What has this got to do with this thread?
Right?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
__________________
Wherenoshockjocksfly

Facts or the twitterverse, your choice!

C4 Picasso 1.6 turbo e-THP EAT6 and averaging 5.2/100 on E10/94/95
ryeman is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 30-09-2019, 01:28 PM   #15
Bossxr8
Peter Car
 
Bossxr8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: geelong
Posts: 18,376
Default Re: Ford cut to junk by Moody's on doubts over plan to boost profit

Quote:
Originally Posted by ryeman View Post
2028 Mustang auto roll-away issue


https://www.autoserviceprofessional....789H0353367J6A


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I thought ford stock would have soared on the news future mustangs can travel back in time.
Bossxr8 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 01:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL