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Old 18-01-2022, 10:19 AM   #31
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Default Re: Dashcam Footage - Bicycle vs Car - George St Perth CBD 5pm 14/2

This is why they are called accidents, I'm sure the driver didn't just see your brother and think I will drive over him, I very much doubt it was a deliberate act, unfortunate for your brother, but unintentional.

Unfortunately when we are taught to drive we are told to give way to our right, so most of our little pea brains tell us is ok to go if we don't see anyone to our right, our pea brains also tell us if anyone comes from our left its their fault so its ok to proceed, we are not taught every day scenarios of what happens if, we are also not taught all the road rules, we are just taught the basics to drive to the law to pass a driving test.

I'm sure the driver was traumatised by the incident, maybe not as much as your brother, but it is the fault of the driver, as the Australian road rules state that a driver has to give way to a bike on a bike path.

You can see that the driver just looked up the hill saw no one and went as most of us would do, it was just unfortunate for this driver Bil was there.
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Old 18-01-2022, 01:59 PM   #32
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I would suggest the cyclist, pedestrian and jogger all heed the warning posted on the path and take care.
Not what I was asking, but fair enough. We'll leave it at that.

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Does he ride a bike with electric assistance by any chance?
He did. Some old thing with a small motor in the front wheel hub.

Which brings to another interesting realisation.

After he was taken off by the Ambos the bike was collected by Main Roads and he went there yesterday to inspect and collect it. It's all very bent and a definite bin job.

But the Main Roads people commented how lucky he is it never caught fire. They've been seeing electric bike accidents, particularly those with big batteries, where the battery gets damaged and ignites badly burning the driver and sometimes setting the car on fire.

He is strongly not reconsidering buying another electric and going for a traditional one now.
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Old 18-01-2022, 04:33 PM   #33
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Not what I was asking, but fair enough. We'll leave it at that.



He did. Some old thing with a small motor in the front wheel hub.

Which brings to another interesting realisation.

After he was taken off by the Ambos the bike was collected by Main Roads and he went there yesterday to inspect and collect it. It's all very bent and a definite bin job.

But the Main Roads people commented how lucky he is it never caught fire. They've been seeing electric bike accidents, particularly those with big batteries, where the battery gets damaged and ignites badly burning the driver and sometimes setting the car on fire.

He is strongly not reconsidering buying another electric and going for a traditional one now.
Yeah that is interesting, I would go out on a limb and say he was probably way faster than the average (but not dangerously so to others) coming up the hill, and got himself into a position that "surprised" the car. No excuse for the car driver, but at least understandable. I asked as I recently had a "where did you come from" moment with an electric bike when I was turning left into a carpark on an up hill rd. He was next to me at the lights and i was turning a couple of hundred meters up the road. I was preconditioned to thinking I would have got 100 meters on him, but just saw him in my inside mirror as I was about to turn in. I think he was racing the GT!!!
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Old 18-01-2022, 08:22 PM   #34
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The way I look at it is. If you’re driving across the footpath give way to footpath users.
If you’re walking across the road give way to road vehicles.

Basically if you enter someone else space, you give way.
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Old 18-01-2022, 08:34 PM   #35
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I'd assume the driver has insurance so they will be paying to replace his bike. One of those expensive electric things. I'm sure he will claim on third party injury to help cover bills and time off work.

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He was heading up the hill from the right of picture. There is nothing to the right of the picture apart from the barrier between George St and a drop off to the freeway below.
Hi. One would hope that it is within the guidelines for an electrical assist pedal cycle (200 watts continuous or 250 watts peak with a name plate with said ratings attached) or he could be up for riding a motor cycle in a dangerous manor etc. etc. etc. Cheers MD
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Old 18-01-2022, 08:48 PM   #36
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Thought you read a bit too much into Hayseed's post - he did not say your BIL was in the wrong, far from it, just said that he was surprised your BIL did not see the Prado coming when you look at that photo. Guess it being an electric bike means he had less time to react.

No one disputes your BIL had right of way, and it's been confirmed by the police. Think his point was, when you are on foot or bike or motorbike or other more vulnerable transport that does not wrap you in protective sheetmetal and lacks safety features like seatbelts and airbags, then you must have greater situational awareness and assume everyone else is a womble that is about to do the wrong thing. You need do same in cars and trucks too, but it is super-important for pedestrians, cyclists and motorcyclists.

Perfect world you should not have to worry about people doing the wrong thing, but in the real world you do need to. That is not victim blaming at all; just reality.

There are plenty of innocent people in heaven that had right of way - just a sad reality. Doesn't matter if you were in the right when you are dead.

Prado 100% in the wrong; BIL zero fault but lucky to take away a lesson that could have been more costly (all education comes at a cost). No doubt when he gets back on the bike he will be far more careful crossing driveways - he shouldn't have to, but I bet he is.
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Hi. One would hope that it is within the guidelines for an electrical assist pedal cycle (200 watts continuous or 250 watts peak with a name plate with said ratings attached) or he could be up for riding a motor cycle in a dangerous manor etc. etc. etc. Cheers MD
As far as I know its a 925w bike that can do 77.6km/h up a 10% gradient into a 20km/h headwind...

I'm guessing if the cops had a problem with it they would have done something about it since they had possession of it after the accident for a while.

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I think the bit that was read too much into was when I asked for dashcam footage on the very slim outside chance that someone was there at the same time people thought it meant I wanted commentary, excuses and rationalisation for the driver based on the design of the intersection/driveway.

I hoped a simple question would have come with a simple answer, tis all.
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No, I wasn't there and don't have footage.
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I hoped a simple question would have come with a simple answer, tis all.

won't happen................
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As far as I know its a 925w bike that can do 77.6km/h up a 10% gradient into a 20km/h headwind...
My 1000w e-bike will only do ~33km/h - but doesn't matter if it's > 10% gradient, and cares less about any headwind. You've gotta know the secret switch though, otherwise it's a 200w wimp. It's been in the shed for the past 4 years though, either too cold or too hot in Canberra to actually want to ride it. Actually it's quite mild this summer, but I still prefer the XR6T.

And yeah... Won't happen, indeed.
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