were have our great race tracks gone?

[mondeomatureguy]

I remember going out to Amaroo Park in Annangrove when I was a teenager with my mates.

It closed on the 23rd August 1998 and is now a housing estate.

Oran park was also a great race track with plenty of history that's closed and now also a Housing Estate.

Castlereagh International Dragway is another that was closed for yet another Housing Estate.

[Tonz]

We keep having kids and they want a house somewhere, then they have kids and they want a house.
Where else you going to build? the moon.
developers do their sums work out if we buy that piece of dirt how many can we fit in, then the new neighbours kick up carp about the noise and force these places down then the developers make their killing

If you want these places to survive, tie your d(i)ck in a knot dont mess with women, live in a tent on the beach and convince all your mates to do the same

pure and simple

why the hell anyone wants to live in Sydney is beyond my understanding.

[mondeomatureguy]

I don't live in Sydney moved away from Sydney over ten years ago.

lived on a farm for about 5 years down the South Coast with my wife but sold that and moved yet again.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Tonz

If you want these places to survive, tie your d(i)ck in a knot dont mess with women, live in a tent on the beach and convince all your mates to do the same

pure and simple

Not that simple. Australia’s birth rate is less than two. Usually this means more people are dying than being born.
Modern medicine is keeping people alive for longer so even with our low birth rate there isn’t a drop in population.

Plus immigration is a major cause for population rise.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Plus immigration is a major cause for population rise.

Immigration is a GIANT Ponzi scheme by the Government to Keep Wages down & keep the building Industry alive..
The eastern seaboard is reaching (IMHO) peak population & is beginning to smother/pollute itself to death.

Yet rural communities are withering & dying...

Just my 2 cents worth..

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Immigration is a GIANT Ponzi scheme by the Government to Keep Wages down & keep the building Industry alive..
The eastern seaboard is reaching (IMHO) peak population & is beginning to smother/pollute itself to death.

Yet rural communities are withering & dying...

Just my 2 cents worth..

Lack of work out rural and your immigrants want to be in Melbourne or Sydney for the lifestyle and culture.

A heap of our migrants at work had been offered sponsorships on Melbourne's fringes for work offering visas but knocked them back until they found an inner Melbourne based business who would sponsor them for visas.

With Adelaide their population of kids goes to university there then comes out with limited opportunity to get work in their field of study in Adelaide and they all end up over in Melbourne or Sydney chasing internships and graduate positions.

Unfortunately when school push everyone into University rather than guiding them to other opportunities like trades you end up with these situations - last time I was in Adelaide I saw a freight company with a sign out looking for HV mechanics.

[mondeomatureguy]

The good thing about this forum is there is a lot of very smart people to have there say.

I don't think Bathurst Mt Panorama will ever close for a few reasons.

1. It brings too much money into the area for Bathurst Council.

2. Its a public road when for a good part of the year.

3. Its a tourist attraction.

4. if they did stop racing cars there it wont happen in my life time!

[mondeomatureguy]

Hi Franco,
My father in law came over to Australia as a 17 year old from Ireland in 1953.

As soon as he walked off that boat he was transferred to Young in the bush for two years to help the famers and stayed for 18 months.

he said "it was hard in the summer because of the heat but other wise it was ok he looked after the animals and feed them.

There's a lot of Country towns crying out for people some even will pay you to move there, maybe the Government need to say "you come to Australia then you go out to the Country for 18 months?

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Immigration is a GIANT Ponzi scheme by the Government to Keep Wages down & keep the building Industry alive..
The eastern seaboard is reaching (IMHO) peak population & is beginning to smother/pollute itself to death.

i dont have a problem with this
as your side sinks due to the overcrowded weight WA is coming out of the sea (like a seesaw) making our great beaches bigger

[marty351]

Originally Posted by wodahs

i dont have a problem with this
as your side sinks due to the overcrowded weight WA is coming out of the sea (like a seesaw) making our great beaches bigger

Now that explains all the sharks.

[ryeman]

Councils want rating income and are in cahoots with developers.
It’s a kickback scheme.
Tailem Bend is a new track never going to become a housing estate.


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[Franco Cozzo]

Sort of related but they're going to build apartments inside Moonee Valley Racecourse here in Melbourne - its a horse racing track:

https://theurbandeveloper.com/articl...e-regeneration

Looks like houses are starting 'from $1.155M' for 3 bedrooms:

https://developersites.com.au/moonee...SAAEgJYZPD_BwE

[mondeomatureguy]

over a million dollars for a 3 bedroom place "must be good to have money"

[mondeomatureguy]

mate,

That's like these silly people who buy a house near an Airport then have a bitch about the plane noise.


I understand that not every body loves cars and car racing like you and myself and every body else on this website.

its just a shame these race tracks are lost for ever .

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by mondeomatureguy

mate,

That's like these silly people who buy a house near an Airport then have a bitch about the plane noise.


I understand that not every body loves cars and car racing like you and myself and every body else on this website.

its just a shame these race tracks are lost for ever .

[73 4V XB]

Originally Posted by mondeomatureguy

I remember going out to Amaroo Park in Annangrove when I was a teenager with my mates.

It closed on the 23rd August 1998 and is now a housing estate.

Oran park was also a great race track with plenty of history that's closed and now also a Housing Estate.

Castlereagh International Dragway is another that was closed for yet another Housing Estate.

Welcome to the demise that was our childhood over populated communities were you can buy a cheap house cause it’s in ear shot of a raceway. Cry and sook long enough and the track gets closed
We’re having trouble on Brisbane’s north side trying to keep the Lakeside raceway open due to a few “residents” that don’t like it anymore.

[mick taylor]

Same happened down on the Gold Coast, the morons moved in and then started complaining about the noise.

[anobserver]

On the Gold Coast it was the cashed up nimbys that did it in. The developer merely facilitated those wishes. Drove past the site recently and got all nostalgic.

Of the many others i miss amaroo park the most. Legendary racing around a tight little circuit.

[73 4V XB]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

Same happened down on the Gold Coast, the morons moved in and then started complaining about the noise.

I work in the yellow circled shed, motor body builder business. The house in red was purchased 3 years ago. The knob has complained to council 3 times regarding the noise level and time of noise. North of Mc Phail road is industrial, south is semi industrial/rural living. I can’t say for sure but the businesses were there before the houses. Guess who’s selling there cheap house

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by 73 4V XB

I work in the yellow circled shed, motor body builder business. The house in red was purchased 3 years ago. The knob has complained to council 3 times regarding the noise level and time of noise. North of Mc Phail road is industrial, south is semi industrial/rural living. I can’t say for sure but the businesses were there before the houses. Guess who’s selling there cheap house

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A little off topic but working on the railway we are always hearing about people complaining about trains.
The reason your house is $50,000 cheaper than an equivalent house is because it's 20 metres from a rail line. Get over it or pay more money for a house in a better location.

I just remembered this guy who built his house next a a railway access gate. Trains would stop near this gate for crew relief. he didn't like trains stopping there because they are too loud.
Train control responded to his complaints by moving the relief point 3kms further down the track. So now you now pass his house at full speed then apply the brakes as your locomotive passes his house to stop further down the track. He now has to put up with a 1.5km long train's brakes squealing as it passes his house. If a second train comes along during crew relief of the first train which is highly likely, the second train stops at a red signal next to his house anyway. Hey, he got his own way though.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

A little off topic but working on the railway we are always hearing about people complaining about trains.
The reason your house is $50,000 cheaper than an equivalent house is because it's 20 metres from a rail line. Get over it or pay more money for a house in a better location.

I just remembered this guy who built his house next a a railway access gate. Trains would stop near this gate for crew relief. he didn't like trains stopping there because they are too loud.
Train control responded to his complaints by moving the relief point 3kms further down the track. So now you now pass his house at full speed then apply the brakes as your locomotive passes his house to stop further down the track. He now has to put up with a 1.5km long train's brakes squealing as it passes his house. If a second train comes along during crew relief of the first train which is highly likely, the second train stops at a red signal next to his house anyway. Hey, he got his own way though.

Yeh, if you don't like the noise of trains don't move there.
$ydney prices around rail hubs are going up for the convenience of living next to a stations.
Was looking at the price of apartments around Rhodes station, absolutely ridiculous.

I bought a place right beside the $yd-Melb mainline, in between two railway crossing gates and a station solely to future proof my transport options. Love it. Going to be interesting watching the double deck freight trains planned in the future.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Ben73

A little off topic but working on the railway we are always hearing about people complaining about trains.
The reason your house is $50,000 cheaper than an equivalent house is because it's 20 metres from a rail line. Get over it or pay more money for a house in a better location.

I just remembered this guy who built his house next a a railway access gate. Trains would stop near this gate for crew relief. he didn't like trains stopping there because they are too loud.
Train control responded to his complaints by moving the relief point 3kms further down the track. So now you now pass his house at full speed then apply the brakes as your locomotive passes his house to stop further down the track. He now has to put up with a 1.5km long train's brakes squealing as it passes his house. If a second train comes along during crew relief of the first train which is highly likely, the second train stops at a red signal next to his house anyway. Hey, he got his own way though.

I have a railway about 150m away, it's not a problem at all but that Police chopper is a real pain at times, not to mention what I have seen one chopper do once was just mental showing off like a lunatic that I thought that this was Vietnam, he was flat out swooping down to about 10m off roofs and came in and turned directly at angles like 60 deg time and time again back and forwards for about 20 min and everyone came out to see what was going on.
a mate that lived 50m from the track would ring and complain every time the chopper came over, he would go off his rocker about them as he hated it but I never heard him complain about the railway ever.

[roKWiz]

One great one nearby me at Winton. Vic.
I can hear the roar on weekends, trucks on the Hume at night and freight trains passing by.
I love it.
Hung around Amaroo Park in it's heyday, such a shame its gone.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

One great one nearby me at Winton. Vic.
I can hear the roar on weekends, trucks on the Hume at night and freight trains passing by.
I love it.
Hung around Amaroo Park in it's heyday, such a shame its gone.

Winton has had its battles over the years. I used to sit on the Benalla Auto Club's committee (BAC own Winton and Wakefield Park at Goulburn). There was a group of people from the district who were into BAC every chance they got, they were on about noise, preferential treatment on planning issues. Interestingly I shared an office with one of the main protagonists. James something, it was an interesting time and some interesting debates.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Winton has had its battles over the years. I used to sit on the Benalla Auto Club's committee (BAC own Winton and Wakefield Park at Goulburn).

Probably most of the whinging came from Lake Mokoan Estate on the other side of the now Winton wetlands as this is where all the NIMBY's move to back then.
The sound tends to echo off the small range behind it (Chesney Vale)

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Probably most of the whinging came from Lake Mokoan Estate on the other side of the now Winton wetlands as this is where all the NIMBY's move to back then.
The sound tends to echo off the small range behind it (Chesney Vale)

nah, opposite direction, over nearer to Lurg

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Theres a mention of a track run Benalla Auto Club in the link i posted earlier, it was out Barjarg way at the foot of the Strathbogie Ranges as you say maybe this is the one, it was before Winton's day and didn't last long.....wonder why lol....

....about the Barjarg track....

https://www.racingcircuits.info/aust...l#.XYmJoigzbIU



....a bit more

https://pressreader.com/@nickname133...roGQNHavV2ePiy

.....read about the original Benalla track also lol....

http://www.speedwayandroadracehistor...g-circuit.html

The Barjarg track was owned by the Benalla Auto Club, they shut it down when they acquired the Winton site over 50 years ago

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

The Barjarg track was owned by the Benalla Auto Club, they shut it down when they acquired the Winton site over 50 years ago

Yep, thats what it says in the links...

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

nah, opposite direction, over nearer to Lurg

That was my second guess Mollyulla way.

[Rob 351]

Yeah Amaroo was brilliant! Sitting up on Bitupave Hill watching the Sierra’s still trying to put their power down..
Or the stop go before the “Main Straight” where if you had brake failure, you went straight into a concrete wall..
Just a creat little track with heaps of character and always suited a great handling smaller car..

Oran Park, absolutely brilliant. First went there in 1986 and remember watching DJ in the Greens tuf Mustang taking on the BMW’s and Nissan’s and the VK Commodores.
I don’t think I missed another ATTC race there until it closed.

Lakeside, Calder, A.I.R, Surfers. All great tracks that are either no longer with us or are no longer used on a regular basis..

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

Yeah Amaroo was brilliant! Sitting up on Bitupave Hill watching the Sierra’s still trying to put their power down..
Or the stop go before the “Main Straight” where if you had brake failure, you went straight into a concrete wall..
Just a creat little track with heaps of character and always suited a great handling smaller car..

Did this many times in this era

I lived a few km from the track and we used to ride our BMX bikes down the back of Blind road Nelson leave our bikes in the bush and climb under the fence, for a day of free motor racing, (great times)

We also used to walk around behind the pits and slide down the embankment behind the kids play area at the back of the pits and Bam we had “pit passes”