FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread - Page 285

**PepeLePew** · 28-08-2014, 12:57 PM

One thing interests me are the 'new (not new)' wheels....may make at least a readily available factory upgrade for us not blessed with 9" rears, no VIN required. Curious too if they're still running the FPV branding or switched to Ford branding on....

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 12:59 PM

They will have Ford centercaps.

But they will still have FPV stamped on the back of them.

Sloth · 28-08-2014, 01:24 PM

Im guessing the s/c v8 air filter housing still has the FPV logo on it though

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 01:31 PM

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Im guessing the s/c v8 air filter housing still has the FPV logo on it though

you never know.

FGX335 · 28-08-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Its all but a GT-R spec...which IMO is just as fast as a GTF on any given day.

What gives you that impression? I thought that we would be lucky to end up with the same goodies as a GT. I know that we get Sync 2 and the refreshed exterior, but I am a little concerned that we will end up with a mish-mash of GS and GT tune and parts.

As much as I hope you're right, I don't see them giving us an R-Spec at XR pricing. I'm hopeful that we get the base GT spec at that pricing! Happy to be wrong though...

stevefreestyle · 28-08-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 2242100

I think this is one rare case where it's better to compare torque than power.

Certainly the GT is producing quite a bit more power than the F6, but from what I've seen it's mainly achieving that by hanging onto a similar amount of torque to higher revs than the F6.
Keep in mind that when an engines power is being calculated, you're basically multiplying torque by engine speed (revs). So if for example there is the same torque at 15% more revs, then there is 15% more power, but in both cases if the torque is the same, then the angle of the diff pinion under hard acceleration should be the same (assuming the equivalent gearing).

As we know the claimed torque figures are very similar for both engines, but a lot of people would probably argue that the F6 pushes even harder at low revs in the real world, with more torque than the GT.
It seems to me that maybe the F6 was at more risk of pinion angle problems than the GT would be.

So I'm finding it hard to understand the reasoning as well. Also I've heard of one case of a stock FG Turbo twisting a tailshaft.

If you fail to understand the "reasoning", perhaps you should go back and examine your premise - and real world dyno comparisons between the F6 310 & GT 335.

malazn mafia · 28-08-2014, 04:54 PM

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At the end of the day, they decided not to offer one, either because they didn't think it would sell, wouldn't be cost effective with warranties, or because they just didn't want to. Nothing to stop you from popping the 335 in from a wrecked XR8 in the future though...

If only Ford had warranty as a delete option.

FGX335 · 28-08-2014, 05:34 PM

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If only Ford had warranty as a delete option.

Had a good chuckle at this, then realised that this would really suit some people (and no doubt Ford). What an inspired idea!

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FGX335

What gives you that impression? I thought that we would be lucky to end up with the same goodies as a GT. I know that we get Sync 2 and the refreshed exterior, but I am a little concerned that we will end up with a mish-mash of GS and GT tune and parts.

As much as I hope you're right, I don't see them giving us an R-Spec at XR pricing. I'm hopeful that we get the base GT spec at that pricing! Happy to be wrong though...

Mate have you been reading this thread.

How many times does it need to be said.

This car will have the 335 motor, the 4 pot brembos and the 275 rear tyres. It will perform as good if not better then an R Spec depending on whether it lost any weight / its wind drag. This car will be quicker then a runout GT 335.

FGX335 · 28-08-2014, 05:54 PM

I can't take any of this as gospel until the launch. It could have 315 or 335, it could have performance or Brembo brakes, it could have GT or GT R-Spec wheels. Until the exact specs are launched, we are only making educated guesses. From the subtle differences we have seen, there could even be two models - a base and a premium. Unlikely, based on what the insiders are saying.

I have been reading the thread with keen interest, but we could just end up with a GT spec. If it is R-Spec, then bring it! Not disagreeing with you, just hoping that you are right. I just don't wanna get my hopes too high.

fgpsi · 28-08-2014, 06:00 PM

I saw that black xr8 near the ford factory today. Must say it's much better in the flesh. Was amazed at how good they look

FalconXV · 28-08-2014, 07:55 PM

When is launch? Or is the drip feed itself the launch?
I doubt theres many FGIIs to clear, most dealers don't keep Falcon stock.
The XR8 could be as collectible as Phase III...
Would look phenomenal with a matte grey or black paintjob.

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FGX335

I can't take any of this as gospel until the launch. It could have 315 or 335, it could have performance or Brembo brakes, it could have GT or GT R-Spec wheels. Until the exact specs are launched, we are only making educated guesses. From the subtle differences we have seen, there could even be two models - a base and a premium. Unlikely, based on what the insiders are saying.

I have been reading the thread with keen interest, but we could just end up with a GT spec. If it is R-Spec, then bring it! Not disagreeing with you, just hoping that you are right. I just don't wanna get my hopes too high.

Pffft okay wait till launch...

**Elks** · 28-08-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Mate have you been reading this thread.

How many times does it need to be said.

This car will have the 335 motor, the 4 pot brembos and the 275 rear tyres. It will perform as good if not better then an R Spec depending on whether it lost any weight / its wind drag. This car will be quicker then a runout GT 335.

This. Listen to this.

FalconXV · 28-08-2014, 09:10 PM

What would be great to see is the brembos optional across the whole range.

nstg8a · 28-08-2014, 09:17 PM

What's the likelihood of them staggering the sales of the xr8?

If there's limited components will ford just sell them as quickly as possible and then just say nope, no more. Or will they drip feed them a bit to keep demand, and therefore pricing, up?

Be kinda weird if we head into the last year of production with no high performance models available.

Or can ford simply not build them fast enough anyway?

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

What's the likelihood of them staggering the sales of the xr8?

If there's limited components will ford just sell them as quickly as possible and then just say nope, no more. Or will they drip feed them a bit to keep demand, and therefore pricing, up?

Be kinda weird if we head into the last year of production with no high performance models available.

Or can ford simply not build them fast enough anyway?

They will stager them 2 - 3 motors a day. They had to build and store motors to accommodate the GTF program.

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

What would be great to see is the brembos optional across the whole range.

Which would mean FPV wheels across the range.

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FalconXV

When is launch? Or is the drip feed itself the launch?
I doubt theres many FGIIs to clear, most dealers don't keep Falcon stock.
The XR8 could be as collectible as Phase III...
Would look phenomenal with a matte grey or black paintjob.

They are still building FG2.

Nikked · 28-08-2014, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FGX335

I can't take any of this as gospel until the launch. It could have 315 or 335, it could have performance or Brembo brakes, it could have GT or GT R-Spec wheels. Until the exact specs are launched, we are only making educated guesses. From the subtle differences we have seen, there could even be two models - a base and a premium. Unlikely, based on what the insiders are saying.

I have been reading the thread with keen interest, but we could just end up with a GT spec. If it is R-Spec, then bring it! Not disagreeing with you, just hoping that you are right. I just don't wanna get my hopes too high.

Few points:

335KW motors have been stored away, we know this, because the people who build them have told us
There is now ute, because, the higher rated engine is used
Spy photos show 2 19" wheel packages, 1 for the XR6/XR6T, and one for the brembo equipped XR8, the XR8 uses GT R-spec wheels.

FGX335 · 28-08-2014, 11:51 PM

Point I was trying to make is that I doubt we will get an R-Spec for $52k RRP. That would have to be some VERY sharp pricing.

I'm sure some of this stuff is available as an upgrade though - my guess is the brakes.

But like I said, I'm hoping to be proven wrong, let's not get huffy. If Ford can make it work, then people buying FPVs weren't getting good value for money.

Smoke Pursuit · 28-08-2014, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FGX335

Point I was trying to make is that I doubt we will get an R-Spec for $52k RRP. That would have to be some VERY sharp pricing.

I'm sure some of this stuff is available as an upgrade though - my guess is the brakes.

But like I said, I'm hoping to be proven wrong, let's not get huffy. If Ford can make it work, then people buying FPVs weren't getting good value for money.

Bro you don't get it. I've just told you what the car has. There's no brembo option on xr8, they are standard. The price your suggesting is a little low if you ask me.

2242100 · 29-08-2014, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

If you fail to understand the "reasoning", perhaps you should go back and examine your premise - and real world dyno comparisons between the F6 310 & GT 335.

Have you compared the tractive effort/motive force numbers on the Dyno sheets for the F6's and GT's when they are being tested in the same gear? I'm not saying you haven't, but I think that's what needs to be looked at. The actual force at the wheels is what will determine the angle of the pinion under heavy throttle.
I guess part of my premise was that Ford claims very similar torque figures for both the F6 and GT (although it's commonly believed that both numbers are underquoted) and F6 owners know just how potent F6's are at low revs when the Turbo spools up.
Of course when it comes to real world Dyno performances, as we know there are some happy Dyno's out there, however I'd rather look at cars actual acceleration performances and I've seen quite a bit of GPS measured performance data that shows similar second gear F6/GT rolling acceleration performances up to a bit over 5000 rpm, with the GT outperforming the F6 beyond that point.

Additionally my own standard untuned XR6T sedan's GPS measured performance data (no doubt in overboost mode) is similar to the F6 (although the torque drops off a fraction earlier) and the Utes were fitted with the same normal Turbo engine. Ref post 8172 on this thread.

One final point. If you want to calculate the tractive effort numbers from dyno sheets that don't have the tractive effort shown, you can work it out if the road (roller) speed is shown, just keep in mind that 1 kilo newton (1000 newtons) of force, applied over 1 metre in 1 second amounts to 1 kilowatt. It's easy enough to work out when you know that.

LoudPipes · 29-08-2014, 03:22 AM

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Bro you don't get it. I've just told you what the car has. There's no brembo option on xr8, they are standard. The price your suggesting is a little low if you ask me.

Any chance you could give a ballpark figure on a drive away price or is that asking a bit too much?

FTE · 29-08-2014, 04:32 AM

They should of made 3 models of XR8
XR8, XR8 Sprint & XR8 ESP

FGX335 · 29-08-2014, 05:57 AM

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Bro you don't get it. I've just told you what the car has. There's no brembo option on xr8, they are standard. The price your suggesting is a little low if you ask me.

An insider said SS V Redline pricing, and based on that, I don't see how they can do it. But you seem pretty certain, so who do I believe? We've seen Brembos, but there was also that pic that didn't have them. Optional extra, or error in artwork? Who knows, that's why I'm waiting for launch. Unless you work there or have an inside source?

**Polyal** · 29-08-2014, 07:47 AM

Brembo's standard? Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Hope they got some of those knock-offs or are going to be very nice on the cost of them because thats just popped the RRP up too.

FGX335 · 29-08-2014, 08:10 AM

I still think we will be lucky to get the GT spec for XR dollars. To hope for anything more is a real stretch. If there was that much margin in an FPV, I think their doors would still be open.

Nikked · 29-08-2014, 08:20 AM

FPV's were also built in lower numbers, and had unique interiors and body components...this adds to costs.

Smoke Pursuit · 29-08-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FGX335

An insider said SS V Redline pricing, and based on that, I don't see how they can do it. But you seem pretty certain, so who do I believe? We've seen Brembos, but there was also that pic that didn't have them. Optional extra, or error in artwork? Who knows, that's why I'm waiting for launch. Unless you work there or have an inside source?

An SS Redline is $53690 plus on roads and dealer delivery.

In QLD that equates to around $59,000 on the road.

I expect XR8 will be similar and that you could probably negotiate one for $57,000.