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Old 18-04-2019, 06:47 AM   #91
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Uh huh!!

Numerous Tesla posts all over the place..


Tesla is doubling output every year. The brand satisfaction and loyalty is very high. They have the best charging facilities and and donīt spend on advertising. Why do you think VW wanted to invest in Tesla ? Tesla obtained billions in loans from chinese banks to build in China.
(Source..Ēthemotorreport.com.auĒ

Wound not be recommending we invest in tesla ?
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Uh huh!!

Numerous Tesla posts all over the place..


Tesla is doubling output every year. The brand satisfaction and loyalty is very high. They have the best charging facilities and and donīt spend on advertising. Why do you think VW wanted to invest in Tesla ? Tesla obtained billions in loans from chinese banks to build in China.
(Source..Ēthemotorreport.com.auĒ)
Kmav23 boy needs to get himself a girlfriend i reckon.

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So there are no totally fictitious profiles on LinkedIn?
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just as i thought the way the wording was structured

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Old 18-04-2019, 08:48 AM   #95
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So there are no totally fictitious profiles on LinkedIn?
Ok, do ya own detective work then!
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Looking at it from another angle, if a ďrandomĒ person lobbed in and started promoting a vaguely related enterprise they had an apparent pecuniary interest in, without payment of any fees for sponsorship or hosting, surely they would be out on their ear?

The free ride is potentially an affront to anyone who is paying for their business profile here; for example Cumberland Ford are paying for prominence, why couldnít Hillis Ford have a cheer squad posting promotional guff constantly over the top of every new Ford car thread without charge?
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Once we eliminate all Ice vehicles, we dont have to rely on importing 90% of our fuel.

We can be energy independent, power from the grid is generated by ourselves.

No more wars and money sent to the middle east to spend on weapons which end up killing our soldiers.

People can then tell the government and companies to psss off im going off the grid with my solar and batteries...

No more complaints about govt and companies ripping them off with fuel and electricity prices !

Evs use 60 % less parts, last longer, and less service... so you can say stuff u to the mechanics!

"eliminate all ICE vehicles" some people have worked really hard to get this thing you want to eliminate. and to be told by some Uni student living at home who doesn't even drive just doesn't sit well at all.
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I'm Tipping, He's got a rechargeable Battery powered One.......
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Does thins mean now that without KMAV's imput this thread is gonna slow down ?
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Looking at it from another angle, if a ďrandomĒ person lobbed in and started promoting a vaguely related enterprise they had an apparent pecuniary interest in, without payment of any fees for sponsorship or hosting, surely they would be out on their ear?

The free ride is potentially an affront to anyone who is paying for their business profile here; for example Cumberland Ford are paying for prominence, why couldnít Hillis Ford have a cheer squad posting promotional guff constantly over the top of every new Ford car thread without charge?
That's what I want to know. He's clearly on the payroll of Tesla or some green group to promote the EV cause. Is that not free advertising on this site?
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That's what I want to know. He's clearly on the payroll of Tesla or some green group to promote the EV cause. Is that not free advertising on this site?
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Urgh, those clowns. Get up, get stuffed
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Tesla is doubling output every year. The brand satisfaction and loyalty is very high. They have the best charging facilities and and donīt spend on advertising. Why do you think VW wanted to invest in Tesla ? Tesla obtained billions in loans from chinese banks to build in China.
(Source..Ēthemotorreport.com.auĒ)
Great pickup, just did some research and his name is everywhere

Wonder if heíll get on here and defence himself, doubt it
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The troll that I remember was the old Bob tha Bilda account - every single monthly car sales thread writing off the Aussie industry. When the industry closed, job done, Bob gone. Don't think it owned any Fords either.
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& KMAV's job would be a lot easier if Australia had a good electricity supply and distribution that was well run. But he's up against the SA gov and it's record, the crew that burned out the Basslink cable pumping extra hydro (so destroying both their dam levels and their power connection), and the planned replacement of a reliable base load generation system with gas generators for which we will sell the gas offshore then re-buy back at a higher price and re-import it. (Edit: please someone correct me on all that, it's like a bad dream)

He's got an uphill battle
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That is the beauty with EV charging is its cheap and easy to install anywhere.

We already have electrical wires everywhere on streets.

Companies will install them and make money.

HK is full of Teslas and massive apartments only, they have a few EVs charges installed in the building.

California has already sold 500,000 EVs, Norway is full of EVS.

We have street lights everywhere on streets, chargers can be installed on any street.

I shouldn't really enjoy this kind of thing as much as I do, but there's something really funny about well-funded naivete encountering, shall we say, the more base human nature:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...scheme/8813574

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/o...e-bikes-2018-6

It's like a generation slipped past that were never told that people trash stuff, that sometimes a little bit of anarchy occurs to property, that sometimes a bicycle placed in a tree seems a good idea.
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I shouldn't really enjoy this kind of thing as much as I do, but there's something really funny about well-funded naivete encountering, shall we say, the more base human nature:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...scheme/8813574

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/o...e-bikes-2018-6

It's like a generation slipped past that were never told that people trash stuff, that sometimes a little bit of anarchy occurs to property, that sometimes a bicycle placed in a tree seems a good idea.
Rather like a pair of shoes hanging, by the laces from a power line.........
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kmav, are you a vegan??
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He's viewing the thread, are you going to reply Kmav?
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tesla has silenced him!!
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I thought he'd been discharged from his workplace after allegations of domestic battery.

Edit: Snap!
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Too busy eating a green.

Or just waiting for his magic beans to grow.
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OK everyone, you all have had your fun.

This thread is about automotive and associated environmental issues, not where kmav is or whether he will post again.

Any further off-topic posts will be deleted.
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Looks like Great wall is going to sell an electric Dualcab Ute here..

https://www.caradvice.com.au/748137/...ed-down-under/
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OK back on topic. Bloomberg has posted a thought-provoking article that suggests the whole electric car thing might just be another bubble, like so many before it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...sting-in-china

Gotta admit I got caught up in the whole inevitability of it. Maybe it's temporary, and it will be Mazda who will be laughing all the way to the bank with their SkyActiv development of ICE for super-efficiency.



*Also, if you are not a finance guy, I will link an article below where you can learn how our whole money system works in one reading. It was done in 2008 after the GFC and author Erik Janszen thought the next boom would be the 'green' economy then - the last 10 years has seen the 'Everything' bubble instead. But the article is still very valuable because it shows you how these crazy debt-fuelled bubbles begin, how they end, and why each one needs to be bigger than the last. Here is the article, it's very good:

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The Harper's article is quite an interesting read; I'm sure many would demean it as left-leaning because it carries through an implicit concern about execution of policies in absence of a clear, progressive social charter. I think the other take on much that it covers would be to suggest that "management by crisis" as the textbooks used to describe it, is largely normalised...

I deliberately remain disengaged from social media; no TV, no Faceache etc - I'm not ignorant of what goes on but it helps somewhat to filter the contrived immediacy and manipulation adhering to many apparent trends.

One thing I've been wondering about in relation to the automotive market subtly repositioning itself to benefit from any marked shift to sales principally featuring non-fossil-fuelled vehicles. Are car manufacturers subtly reinforcing physical designs of vehicle, that lend themselves more readily to slight reductions in size, coupled with powertrains less dependent on fossil fuels? As in, are they already laying the foundations and we're not noticing?
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It's not really on topic, but I might suggest Murray N. Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" or "What has Government done to our Money?" to provide a take on some of these earlier events from the Austrian School. Harpers does shift left, yes; however that article just seems to stand the test of time (as well as providing a good monetary history lesson).

Agree on the social media, typed forums and a varied news feed are enough.

The reductions in vehicle size are interesting: it's been done before (VB Commodore) to disaster and done visually (AU Falcon) before to disaster, too.
Notice the Americans coming out with completely massive, square EV pickups and SUVs - their vision of the future is grounded in their past.

For sales %, the Chinese market is 4% and we are under 1% - early adopters still. I suppose the bubble will pop, there will be carnage, and consolidation to electric occurs in the aftermath.
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