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Old 19-05-2019, 08:38 PM   #61
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I posted this on social media last night, Labor really shot themselves in the foot. Especially in Queensland. "If Labor lose this, it's probably because they demonised Coal. Coal miners and their families would of most likely voted Labor all their lives. It might be a crucial strategic error."
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I posted this on social media last night, Labor really shot themselves in the foot. Especially in Queensland. "If Labor lose this, it's probably because they demonised Coal. Coal miners and their families would of most likely voted Labor all their lives. It might be a crucial strategic error."
Picking on the oldies, playing around with negative gearing and an unpopular leader doesn't help. My only wish was Mr Potato head to get the flick.......
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could be worse, we could be American (wear around 1/2 of the voters don't vote).
I think we a bit like footy supporting (1/2 of us go for one team, the other don't)
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It looks Like Dr Keryn may be a; one hit wonder Too..!!!
She left her mark already by helping to weaken our borders - so no big loss.
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If they score majority government they can end this Zali Steggal persons political career within a single term, because the Government won't need to put the feelers out for support in the senate, Zali is essentially powerless.
It's likely they'll have a lower house majority, but with all the greens senators being returned, it'll still be a rabble to get anything passed through them, the minors and Labor.
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It doesn't matter if she stands for climate change and all other sorts of kittens, sunshine and rainbow feel good things, she literally will have no power to get anything changed and then the constituents within Warringah will turf her out and go back to the next candidate the LNP fields there.l
It'll give her a chance to honour her 100% renewable policy and buy that EV or hybrid car, and get those solar panels on her roof that she said was in the process of getting.
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Her political career will be remembered as assisting the LNP dispose of Tony Abbott's influence over their party - quite the useful idiot. Ideally for me they end up with a minority government because theres an extra $200 in it for me if that occurs
Interesting the Greens were handing out her how to vote brochures . . .
I think the Coalition had $7.00 on them to win earlier last week - should've gotten on to that action . . .
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Old 19-05-2019, 09:17 PM   #65
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Labours transition away from Blue collar worker policy, pushing the shutting down of the very industries that supported them for years and backing minorities above all else is what cost them alongside having a leader with as much personality as stale bread.

I’m traditionally a LNP voter but was not sure I could support them this time with the Turnbull/Bishop period, but ScoMo against Billy boy and his policies to appease the UN before all else made it a bit easier again.
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Chasing the green vote was dumb. Greenies talk loud about climate change but in reality 95% of the population couldn’t care less. Just look how few seats the greens won. They are a joke.

Albanese would have been a better choice for leader. No one really liked shorten.
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She left her mark already by helping to weaken our borders - so no big loss.
It's likely they'll have a lower house majority, but with all the greens senators being returned, it'll still be a rabble to get anything passed through them, the minors and Labor.
It'll give her a chance to honour her 100% renewable policy and buy that EV or hybrid car, and get those solar panels on her roof that she said was in the process of getting.
Interesting the Greens were handing out her how to vote brochures . . .
I think the Coalition had $7.00 on them to win earlier last week - should've gotten on to that action . . .
Oopsies, I meant HoR majority rather than senate, but yeah with our lovely Green friends in the senate is going to keep things interesting.

If LNP gets a majority in the lower house then Champagne Socialist Zali is going to be a one trick wonder.

I see the lovely Sarah Hanson Young got reelected from Adelaide, the first thing I was greeted with was her ugly mug on corflutes when I entered Adelaide by road earlier this year.
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could be worse, we could be American (wear around 1/2 of the voters don't vote).
I think we a bit like footy supporting (1/2 of us go for one team, the other don't)
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I 100% agree with the supporting a team statement, just sheep.. We've all done it, but some continue to do it.

Approach a voting booth because they've been a life-long member of a Party, just vote for what their dad, neighbour or Boss tells them to - or what their T.V tells them to do....walk up to a ballot box with a blindfold on and vote - then blame everyone else (including their own) when it doesn't work out.

We're the lucky country because of our geographical location, plain and ****** simple. We don't need walls, we have oceans. Imagine Australia with our recent Prime Ministers located in the middle or Africa, or Europe... We'd be screwed. Or America - with the human wave of immigrants (supporting by the opposing party), laced with human trafficking, corruption, gangs...and cartels? Plz.
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I'm traditionally an ALP voter but this election was the first time One Nation contested in my electorate and I wanted to send a message, so I voted One Nation followed by United Australia, then a couple of minors with LNP in 6th, ALP 7th followed by Greens last - I essentially voted LNP as the micro parties don't stand a chance here.

I also voted below the line in the senate to 20+ places, Fraiser Anning's Conservatives in the senate, then Shooters Fishers and Farmers solely for Ricky Muir then some minor parties with LNP in the high teens and ALP in the twenties.

It sends a message to the two majors that you better get your **** sorted - my vote would have moved along different camps 6 times during the count for the house of reps.

If you look at the national swing, ALP, LNP and Greens were down with the collection of minor right wing parties getting a 5% swing toward them, the nation is moving towards the right.

QLD is responsible for LNP's shock win and they can thank Bob Brown and his gypsy caravan from Melbourne and Sydney trying to dictate to QLD patronising them.

QLD doesn't like being told by other states how to run their electorates, who are these gypsies from Melbourne and Sydney to tell them to boycott Adani? It's jobs on the line for regional QLD and some vegan flogs from Melbourne and Sydney are trying to tell them what's best?
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If LNP gets a majority in the lower house then Champagne Socialist Zali is going to be a one trick wonder.
Yes, Get Up money well spent . . .
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I see the lovely Sarah Hanson Young got reelected from Adelaide, the first thing I was greeted with was her ugly mug on corflutes when I entered Adelaide by road earlier this year.
Yes, she'll be back for all our amusement.
Better news though - Jackie Lambie looks like she'll be back for Tassie.
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Yes, I voted below the line to hopefully get Jim Molan back for NSW.
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There was a lot of arrogance from her and Tanya Plibersek, refusing to concede.

The ALP is in an interesting situation now, they've been pushing the gender equality wheelbarrow for a long time now, consistently taking pot shots about the lack of women in the LNP.

Tanya Plibersek is the deputy leader AND a woman, she is the next in line to become the leader of the ALP theoretically.

Are they going to make her the next leader and back their gender equality statements?

Or maybe Albo who is more popular with the public - but a bloke?
https://amp.news.com.au/national/sho...c255092bf04570

Bill Shorten's is backing Tanya Plibersek as next leader
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Congratulations "miracle man" Prime Minister Scott Morrison. An historic win by anyoneís standards. Australiaís first elected Pentecostal Prime Minister.



Australia is watching and waiting to see what Scott will do with this honour bestowed upon him. He would do well to heed the advice of Arthur Sinodinos IMHO

I'm hopeful "Sco Mo" will honour the wishes of other results from Australians voting in the 2019 election.
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So it will be an inner city suburban leftie versus an outer city suburban leftie for leader.
Jeepers
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One thing too that I found monotonous was seeing Shorten with his shadow Kristina Keneally next to him all the time.
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An interesting round up so far.
Tanya Plibersek is the only one I have heard say that they didn't do a good enough job.
Everyone else I have heard has blamed Clive,the redhead, the Liberals, the Qld Gov't...
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Bill has had one win thou. Chloe. How the hell did he get her.............
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Bill has had one win thou. Chloe. How the hell did he get her.............

Don't forget he's second choice though...
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An interesting round up so far.
Tanya Plibersek is the only one I have heard say that they didn't do a good enough job.
Everyone else I have heard has blamed Clive,the redhead, the Liberals, the Qld Gov't...
And do not forget the other- blaming the dumb public for falling for the fear campaign.

That dumb public saw through their class wedge campaign of going for the "top" end ie investors with 7 or more houses. When that dumb public realised that Labour's policy would impact mom/dads primary house value, and the mom and dads with primary residence and struggling to meet mortgages on 1 investment property.

Labour needs to learn not to be dismissive of that dumb public.

Heard that Anthony Albanese said something to the effect of the policy he will purse is wealth creation and sharing, not simply wealth redistribution.

Snap- that says it all.
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Don't forget he's second choice though...
She was actually his 3rd (or 4th) choice.
he was still married to his 1st Wife, Shacked up with Michaela Cash & got Chloe pregnant whilst she was still married to (& living with) her 1st husband...
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Just a timely reminder that our major political party is Labor not 'Labour' as per the British champagne socialists
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So it will be an inner city suburban leftie versus an outer city suburban leftie for leader.
Jeepers
Hopefully it's Plibersek that gets the role for the sake of the punters.

At the end of the day all our political class are dodgy so we may as well as make some money from their shennanigans
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Iím not going to say for a second I knew this would be the outcome, letís face it the polls showed that 2 party preferred was bookies showed labor

But looking back the polls also showed bill wasnít the preferred PM

I know we arenít voting for PM directly and were voting for the local member, but everyone still considers the leader when casting their vote

Also I didnít know it at the time but thinking back bill played a very big class card, and I think Australia has moved on from that

Add to that Bowenís if you donít like our talk plan donít vote later pretty much sealed it for them
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Just a timely reminder that our major political party is Labor not 'Labour' as per the British champagne socialists
I like to think of it as Labor not Labour because they donít care about U
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I'm somewhat of a low income earner under (Sub $50k PA) an EBA and union member. I live in a strong labor area so naturally wanted Labor to win.... would have made bargaining much easier, still not sure if I would have ended up worse with labors stance on emissions and the environment....

However if I had been an investor, or had a couple of houses I just couldn't vote Labor. I can see why people stayed with the coalition. Shorten made it into a class debate and it seemed to backfire.
Iím also a union member and EBA employee but under laborís calculations Iím a high income earner.

Years and years ago I voted labor by default, then I thought theyíre claims against the libs sound too far fetched, so I researched, since then Iíve voted both ways depending on what my research shows,

This time round I honestly donít think labor getting in would have any impact on my work situation, because even though bill was a union guy I think he cared little for the people and only wanted to buy votes
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Hopefully it's Plibersek that gets the role for the sake of the punters.
Yeah, at least it's not going to be Penny Wong - seen her sooking on enough over the last week. At least in the senate you don't get to see a lot of her. Albanese is getting on, so they might go for the younger blood.
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I called this. Similar to how Trump won in 2016 - he focused on jobs and the economy and he won. The democrats focused on identity politics and lost. A lot of the people who like identity politics are the intersectional types with the loudest voices on social media. I told several friends that the "silent majority" care much more about having a job, supporting their families and putting food on their table than they care about climate change and pitting the classes against each other. Unfortunately for the ALP, Bill Shorten was not the right person for the job and had it have been Plibersek (not for gender reasons) they may have done better. However, none of them stand out as overly strong leaders to me.
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At the end of the day all our political class are dodgy so we may as well as make some money from their shennanigans
If i were a hard head in Labor, I would walk away from every senior polly's in that party.

Think about it logically.

Since Howard in 96 they have won an election in 2007 (replicating Howard and calling for change based on Howard had stayed too long) and drew in 2010 where the cobbled together a minority government.

Clearly, the same olds including Plibbers, Bowen, Wong, Marles, Butler, Burke, O'connor and Albo just have not cut it over the years.



They have all had in-put and failed, basically Labor is in an echo chamber.

Outside Albo (who I like) almost none of them take on right-wing arguments outside of the home ground of the ABC and Fairfax media. The media being biased don't challenge them much either but rather barrack for them.

The fact is that this coalition government is extremely light on for talent outside Scomo, Frydenberg, Corman

You would expect the coaltion to improve its game in the next 3 years with all the has beens out as long as the new talent is up to it.

Labor really missed an opportunity.

Heads should roll and a completely new strategy devised, that is based on prosperity for all, growing the pie so everyone benefits.
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Yeah, at least it's not going to be Penny Wong - seen her sooking on enough over the last week. At least in the senate you don't get to see a lot of her. Albanese is getting on, so they might go for the younger blood.

Last night on the Project they were discussing possible Labor leaders and Wong's name came up.


They decided her slogan for the weadership should be wead wif Wong.
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If i were a hard head in Labor, I would walk away from every senior polly's in that party.

Think about it logically.

Since Howard in 96 they have won an election in 2007 (replicating Howard and calling for change based on Howard had stayed too long) and drew in 2010 where the cobbled together a minority government.

Clearly, the same olds including Plibbers, Bowen, Wong, Marles, Butler, Burke, O'connor and Albo just have not cut it over the years.



They have all had in-put and failed, basically Labor is in an echo chamber.

Outside Albo (who I like) almost none of them take on right-wing arguments outside of the home ground of the ABC and Fairfax media. The media being biased don't challenge them much either but rather barrack for them.

The fact is that this coalition government is extremely light on for talent outside Scomo, Frydenberg, Corman

You would expect the coaltion to improve its game in the next 3 years with all the has beens out as long as the new talent is up to it.

Labor really missed an opportunity.

Heads should roll and a completely new strategy devised, that is based on prosperity for all, growing the pie so everyone benefits.
Good post zipping.
Yesterday I made the point as well to some I know re the new Labor leader.
IMO forget Albo as well, all they are doing recycling the same/similar clone Labor types.
They say they are progressive, looking ahead re CC amongst other things well its high time they changed their Leader image very much.
Union types, non appealing personalities etcetcetc and they bang on the same rhetoric.
As for Wong, OMG who can stomach her lord knows, bitter type.
May gain the women vote but pretty much about all.
The rest you've mentioned are pretty random as well, needs the broom.
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