Vfacts June 2021 Ford finishes 3rd

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Do you guys realise the vast majority of Ranger 4x2s sold are actually high riders not the budget low riders? With around half of those being the XLT version which are probably about $56k according to the Ford website.

That is correct. Ford sell very few low riders. Toyota have that cheap market with the petrol workmate. Ford really doesn’t bother competing against it. Would rather sell the much more profitable 4x4’s and the higher grade hi-riders. Ranger nearly always outsells Hilux in that 4x4 market.

[Giant Cranium]

Ford would sell many more low ride rangers if they put a auto in them.

I know many people who bought the workmate hilux because it was auto and could fit in car parks with ladders on the roof.

Hilux is the only low ride auto availability

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thanks for that feedback, I’m betting the Hiace is priced lower than Transit Custom but maybe
it’s more that familiarity with the Toyota brand and understanding the importance of that.
Culturally, tradies have always gone for utes but now we’re seeing some change to vans that
allow more enclosed storage, security of tools and equipment is another big selling point….
Maybe it just takes time for vans to catch on……..

I bought a new van last week.
My two major requirements were able to tow 2 tonnes and put a pallet in the back so really only had Amarok, Transporter 4motion and Vito to choose as all other Mid size vans have under 2000kg tow rating and low tow ball weight limits and all other utes cannot fit a pallet between the wheel arches.

I didn't want a flat tray as no security overnight,..bought the Vito 119, it was on the showroom floor and I got a great offer on the Trafic Crewvan I traded.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I am correct, it’s just that almost everyone who claims a 4x4 Ute as non-FBT
lies about the amount of private usage. Equally, the tax dept doesn’t police it.

Re 2x4 sales,
There’s no great hoard of walk in buyers waiting to buy 4x2 Rangers, they’re ordered case by case.

What do you mean you are correct. FBT exempt doesn’t need to be 4x4 or 1 tonne…

[Fordman]

Its a great result. It'd be great to see those escape and puma numbers continue to rise. Even Focus. I wonder how much of it is actual supply issue vs its just not selling.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

There’s two ways to get a non-FBT vehicle, either 4x4 or one Tonne rating.

4x4 gives people buying the highly popular crew cabs a non-FBT vehicle,
that adds up to a sizeable cost saving for companies and small business.

The days of most tradies buying a cheap one tonne single cab are in the past.

Nah...you can get a van like a Vito thats FBT free.
Lots of tradies prefer vans over utes.

I have 4 door passenger cars that are FBT free...they just aren't used privately.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by zilo

Nah...you can get a van like a Vito thats FBT free.
Lots of tradies prefer vans over utes.

I have 4 door passenger cars that are FBT free...they just aren't used privately.

sorry,
I was talking specifically about non-FBT utes as the conversation was about dual cab utes.

To avoid FBT with a sedan, you have to show that there’s no personal use,
like weekends and holidays, most corporate accountants find that all too hard.
That’s not to say that a determined soul like you couldn’t find a way to make it work….

[zilo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

sorry,
I was talking specifically about non-FBT utes as the conversation was about dual cab utes.

To avoid FBT with a sedan, you have to show that there’s no personal use,
like weekends and holidays, most corporate accountants find that all too hard.
That’s not to say that a determined soul like you couldn’t find a way to make it work….

I always kept a 500 dollar volvo out back, registered privately,for private klms

[jpd80]

I just noticed that Transit custom starts at $47,600 for a SWB manual trans version,
similar price to a Hiace LWB, the comparable LWB Transit Custom is $2,000 more.

So I wonder what the model mix is with Transit Custom, SWB vs LWB sales

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I just noticed that Transit custom starts at $47,600 for a SWB manual trans version,
similar price to a Hiace LWB, the comparable LWB Transit Custom is $2,000 more.

So I wonder what the model mix is with Transit Custom, SWB vs LWB sales

I'd hazard a 50:50 split between swb and lwd Customs.

The Hiace LWB actually has a load area probably closer to the Custom's SWB model. Conveniently I cannot find the internal load dimensions in Toyota's official spec sheet and brochure off their website. The Hiace cabin is huge in length, reducing the rear load area plus the side step cutouts eat out a large floor area as well. And it's tow rating is 1500kg braked, Custom is 1800Kg which is odd seeing as the Hiace is RWD.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd hazard a 50:50 split between swb and lwd Customs.

The Hiace LWB actually has a load area probably closer to the Custom's SWB model. Conveniently I cannot find the internal load dimensions in Toyota's official spec sheet and brochure off their website. The Hiace cabin is huge in length, reducing the rear load area plus the side step cutouts eat out a large floor area as well. And it's tow rating is 1500kg braked, Custom is 1800Kg which is odd seeing as the Hiace is RWD.

I think I can help:
Load Dimensions……………….Hiace LWB….Hiace SLWB……Custom SWB…………Custom LWB
Load Height……………………..……1335……………1615………………1406/1778……………..1406/1778
Load Length……………………….….2930…………..3180……………….2555………………… ….….2922
Load Width………………………..….1760……….....1760………….…..1775………… ……….…….1775
Width between arches………….1268………..…1268……..…………1390…………….…....…… 1390

The 1800 kg braked you quoted for Custom is for dual cab models,
Other versions vary between 2000kg, 2,500kg and 2,800 kg.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

What do you mean you are correct. FBT exempt doesn’t need to be 4x4 or 1 tonne…

That was in respect to utes, particularly crew cabs which was what the discussion was about.
When it comes to utes, those are the general parameters that most corporates use,
unless you want to go through statutory declarations and logging actual usage.
I short handed my answer to avoid going on and on about tax nonsense

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I think I can help:
Load Dimensions……………….Hiace LWB….Hiace SLWB……Custom SWB…………Custom LWB
Load Height……………………..……1335……………1615………………1406/1778……………..1406/1778
Load Length……………………….….2930…………..3180……………….2555………………… ….….2922
Load Width………………………..….1760……….....1760………….…..1775………… ……….…….1775
Width between arches………….1268………..…1268……..…………1390…………….…....…… 1390

The 1800 kg braked you quoted for Custom is for dual cab models,
Other versions vary between 2000kg, 2,500kg and 2,800 kg.

Actually off the April 2017 brochure for my model year Custom, so yes I got it wrong as the 1800kg tow rating is for the SWB auto model of that date.

SWB: 290S: 2500 (MT)/ 1800 (AT)
LWB: 340L 2800 (MT)/ 2100 (AT)

[XR Martin]

The dimensions above for the Hiace arnt correct.
I know the length listed is for the old one, the newer one is shorter in the back. The width between wheel arches doesn't look right either.
Ive looked and looked and cannot find the dimensions for the new shape anywhere.
It's odd Toyota AU don't list dimensions on their website.

Just checked out Toyota Japan website and they don't even sell the new one there yet.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

The dimensions above for the Hiace arnt correct.
I know the length listed is for the old one, the newer one is shorter in the back. The width between wheel arches doesn't look right either.
Ive looked and looked and cannot find the dimensions for the new shape anywhere.
It's odd Toyota AU don't list dimensions on their website.

Just checked out Toyota Japan website and they don't even sell the new one there yet.

The only figures I could find was for the 2019 model, did Toyota change again from this?
While researching, I noticed that the older 2015s were narrower between wheel arches (1120)
this is why I thought that the 2019 figures were still current.

In any regard, all credit to Transit Custom matching or exceeding Hiace with big brother RWD Transit there above both of them.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

I’m not sure why anyone would buy a Pajero Sport. Are they cheap? The Everest is light years ahead of it in every way.

Everest just beats it on nearly every comparison in this review. and Pajero is slightly smaller, but it must be price that sells them.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/ford/ev...i-pajero-sport

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The only figures I could find was for the 2019 model, did Toyota change again from this?
While researching, I noticed that the older 2015s were narrower between wheel arches (1120)
this is why I thought that the 2019 figures were still current.

In any regard, all credit to Transit Custom matching or exceeding Hiace with big brother RWD Transit there above both of them.

Just measured one at work, everything looks correct apart from length.
They are 2.65m long to the bottom of cargo barrier (and about 2.5m to the top)

[naddis01]

If these figures are to believed then the Tesla Model 3 could be somewhere around the top 20 YTD. Mind you, the figures are only estimates on cars shipped to the country versus delivered cars.


https://thedriven.io/2021/07/09/anot...es-to-kick-in/

Another 1,200 Tesla Model 3 EVs arrive in Australia ahead of NSW rebates

Source: @bentv_sh/Twitter


Approximately 1,200 more Tesla Model 3 EVs have arrived at Port Kembla, south of Sydney, signalling the potentially record-smashing impact the Californian automaker will have on the local market in 2021.

Sources say that deliveries in NSW will be put on hold until a $3,000 rebate and the waiver of stamp duty kicks in from September.

The latest shipment, which has been reported by Tesla ship tracker @VedaPrime, brings the number of now Shanghai-made electric sedans shipped to Australia in 2021 to approximately 7,500, following 2,100 shipped in Q1 and 4,200 in Q2.

As The Driven has previously reported, it is thought that at least 10,000 more Teslas will be on Australian roads than in 2020 by years’ end – but being barely halfway through 2021, this number could be even higher than estimated.

Nine days into July and Tesla has shipped more Model 3s than Toyota has sold Camrys.

Click the link above for the rest of the story.

[turbo4]

Originally Posted by jpd80

One of the biggest impediments to Ford getting more 4x2 sales is clearly price; Hilux workmate
comes with a tray and sells drive away for less than $30k, a comparable Ranger wth Tray and
is nearly $6,000 dearer but yes, it comes with a diesel.

The Ranger may be more expensive, but is worth every cent(in my opinion). We have both the 4x2 Ranger and Hilux at my work(roughly the same age) and the Ranger is significantly better than the Hilux.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Just measured one at work, everything looks correct apart from length.
They are 2.65m long to the bottom of cargo barrier (and about 2.5m to the top)

I think you're right, we had a rental HiAce for 3 weeks last year and I remember it definitely had a smaller internal load area than our LWB Custom and your numbers confirm that it in fact is only marginally longer internally than a SWB Custom. Frankly it's not an efficient use of space given it's external dimensions.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I think you're right, we had a rental HiAce for 3 weeks last year and I remember it definitely had a smaller internal load area than our LWB Custom and your numbers confirm that it in fact is only marginally longer internally than a SWB Custom. Frankly it's not an efficient use of space given it's external dimensions.

Also heard that Transit Custom has provision for extra cargo length under the seats,
are you able to confirm this as it would be a distinct advantage in some situations.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That was in respect to utes, particularly crew cabs which was what the discussion was about.
When it comes to utes, those are the general parameters that most corporates use,
unless you want to go through statutory declarations and logging actual usage.
I short handed my answer to avoid going on and on about tax nonsense

I owned 5 Falcon utes (1 a Pursuit, 1 a XR50T) and 6 Navara 4x4 dual cabs… All were FBT exempt according to our in-house tax qualified accountant…
(All were sign written and carried tools)
The “private usage” issue was the stickler… We had documentation to show all employees taking these vehicles home were on 24hr call (hence tools)

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Also heard that Transit Custom has provision for extra cargo length under the seats,
are you able to confirm this as it would be a distinct advantage in some situations.

Correct...it's got a small hatch, about the width of say 50-60cm which flips up and magnetically locks to the cargo barrier/bulkhead. The extra space goes under the front passenger seat so adds another say 40-50cm of length.
https://storage.googleapis.com/adtor...interior-4.jpg

[jpd80]

Wow, that’s the equivalent of slinging long items over a headboard on a Ute.

[csv8]

Two people I work with have just bought a Kluger GLX 2wd the other person bought the Rav 4 hybrid. Why ? they considered Toyota reliabilty, value for the money, servicing costs, 7 year warranty. Delivery for the Kluger 4 months. Rav 6 months. Me, I don't have the patience to wait, that long.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by csv8

Two people I work with have just bought a Kluger GLX 2wd the other person bought the Rav 4 hybrid. Why ? they considered Toyota reliabilty, value for the money, servicing costs, 7 year warranty. Delivery for the Kluger 4 months. Rav 6 months. Me, I don't have the patience to wait, that long.

I don't get the idea that some people claim Toyota's servicing cost's as a persuasive aspect over others, doesn't Toyota or most of their range have 6 monthly (twice annually) servicing schedules ?.

I know the Prado and Corolla do or did, and each service was a capped price of $300, bringing the annual cost to considerably more then a single service like others. Not to mention the time or down time (hassle) to do it every 6 months especially if you run a business etc.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by naddis01

If these figures are to believed then the Tesla Model 3 could be somewhere around the top 20 YTD. Mind you, the figures are only estimates on cars shipped to the country versus delivered cars.


https://thedriven.io/2021/07/09/anot...es-to-kick-in/

Another 1,200 Tesla Model 3 EVs arrive in Australia ahead of NSW rebates

Source: @bentv_sh/Twitter


Approximately 1,200 more Tesla Model 3 EVs have arrived at Port Kembla, south of Sydney, signalling the potentially record-smashing impact the Californian automaker will have on the local market in 2021.

Sources say that deliveries in NSW will be put on hold until a $3,000 rebate and the waiver of stamp duty kicks in from September.

The latest shipment, which has been reported by Tesla ship tracker @VedaPrime, brings the number of now Shanghai-made electric sedans shipped to Australia in 2021 to approximately 7,500, following 2,100 shipped in Q1 and 4,200 in Q2.

As The Driven has previously reported, it is thought that at least 10,000 more Teslas will be on Australian roads than in 2020 by years’ end – but being barely halfway through 2021, this number could be even higher than estimated.

Nine days into July and Tesla has shipped more Model 3s than Toyota has sold Camrys.

Click the link above for the rest of the story.

Word is that the Tesla model 3 will sell for under $60k drive away price with the NSW waiver of stamp duty for electric cars from september.

That is an absolute game changer.

Sucks if you paid $73k a year ago...

[russellw]

The first set of graphical data is now available in the Tech portal.

[csv8]

galaxyxr8 This is the Kluger servicing cost. 2021
"Kluger
GXL 2WD 3.5L Petrol
Odometer Reading
Providing your approximate odometer reading allows us to provide you with a more accurate service price (optional).
Your Service
TOYOTA SERVICE ADVANTAGE* 12 months or 15,000kms
$250.00"
https://www.toyota.com.au/owners/ser...G9M668003O2A2A

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by zilo

Word is that the Tesla model 3 will sell for under $60k drive away price with the NSW waiver of stamp duty for electric cars from september.

That is an absolute game changer.

Sucks if you paid $73k a year ago...

Pretty sure That's Correct.

They start at $64,648 Driveaway Now. So the rebate & Stamp duty waiver will get one under $60k..


https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/model3/d...ct=no#overview