Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 21

Poetic Justice · 13-02-2019, 10:49 AM

I think the best shot would be for GM to sell Holden to PSA - and Holden becomes an outlet for rebadged Opels.

At the very least this would allow perhaps some consistency in the product line up unlike what they have done to their own detriment over the past 20 years.

Nikked · 13-02-2019, 05:37 PM

Holden won't want to give up its acsess to thd Colorado though.

Poetic Justice · 13-02-2019, 05:57 PM

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Holden won't want to give up its acsess to thd Colorado though.

I'm sure they could find a way to distribute some other ute!

marty351 · 13-02-2019, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

I'm sure they could find a way to distribute some other ute!

Re-badged Great Wall?

Poetic Justice · 13-02-2019, 06:41 PM

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Re-badged Great Wall?

They've done terrible things in the past. Who knows if they're smart enough to learn?

vztrt · 13-02-2019, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Holden won't want to give up its acsess to thd Colorado though.

They would change the branding to chev or pull out of Aus. Not like Colorado sales are on fire

RANGEREST · 13-02-2019, 08:57 PM

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

roddy1960 · 13-02-2019, 09:40 PM

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I know many on here don't like him, but, John Cadoganreports the rumour in an entertaining way on his You-tube post.. While Holden and Inchcape have denied the rumour, John blows their denial in the way we expect John to do.

Nothing entertaining about Cadogen ...Sorry...

Windsor220 · 13-02-2019, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

GM has pulled out of europe. UK is rhd. Not sure what other rhd countries GM is in but word is they aren't interested.

Actually just read they left India and South Africa so Aus would be one of the last rhd countries for them.

Eurotrash · 13-02-2019, 11:33 PM

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I was surprised to see that Opel Australia still has a website

It's amazing isn't it? It's like they kept the website running, just incase! It's hard to believe it's been roughly 6 years now since Opel left the Australian market.

danzvtil · 13-02-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

They've done terrible things in the past. Who knows if they're smart enough to learn?

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To be fair, the epica was already in existence when GM bought the ashes of daewoo, they had to use it to get their money’s worth. The real up yours came out of the Captiva, which gm tarted up and sold for what 12 years

Eurotrash · 13-02-2019, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

GM has pulled out of europe. UK is rhd. Not sure what other rhd countries GM is in but word is they aren't interested.

Actually just read they left India and South Africa so Aus would be one of the last rhd countries for them.

Correct! Australia, New Zealand and Thailand are the only major RHD markets left for GM. They do sell in small numbers in Malaysia, Singapore and other smaller RHD Asian countries, but they're tiny numbers.

They've left the UK, Japan, South Africa, Indonesia and also India, but they still use India as an export base for their products to other developing markets.

Eurotrash · 13-02-2019, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

If Ford pull out of the UK, then yes, the same could happen to Ford in Australia, but as long as Ford is in the UK, then I think we're safe …. for now.

Bossxr8 · 14-02-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RANGEREST

Holden is owned by GM in the US?
They're selling volume is within a couple of hundred cars compared to Ford, that's owned by Ford US?
If we (ford) didn't have the Ranger, would that mean Ford would be pulling out of OZ?

Big difference is Ford Aus is profitable, and can source cars from itself.

Holden must be unprofitable or making very little $ having to slash RRP's just to move cars, on top of having to source vehicles from outside companies. Not to mention GM just does not give a fig about RHD markets now.

Ranger goes to 180+ countries so is available in pretty much all the RHD markets. That keeps it safe. Plus it's very profitable and most of the work is done here.

jpd80 · 14-02-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUD

I think the best shot would be for GM to sell Holden to PSA - and Holden becomes an outlet for rebadged Opels.

At the very least this would allow perhaps some consistency in the product line up unlike what they have done to their own detriment over the past 20 years.

I gather that Holden was offered as part of the Opel Vauxhall sale but PSA declined...
PSA also wants to end GM legacy products ASAP and move to its own platforms..

**Fordman1** · 14-02-2019, 07:02 PM

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I gather that Holden was offered as part of the Opel Vauxhall sale but PSA declined...
PSA also wants to end GM legacy products ASAP and move to its own platforms..

If true this could go pear shaped very quickly.

jpd80 · 14-02-2019, 07:04 PM

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If true this could go pear shaped very quickly.

Absolutely and if the music stops, Holden mightn't have a chair anymore...

marty351 · 14-02-2019, 07:33 PM

Bye,bye miss american pie...

prydey · 14-02-2019, 09:06 PM

I was thinking recently, how many mass production brands have been consigned to the history books over the years? Probably more than I realise but...

Morris
Austin
Wolseley
...

Can't think of too many modern ones.

Actually I googled it and there are way more than I realised

Too many to list. Some recent ones are

Saab
Hummer
Oldsmobile
Mercury
Plymouth
Daewoo
Etc
Etc

stevanford · 14-02-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

I was thinking recently, how many mass production brands have been consigned to the history books over the years? Probably more than I realise but...

Morris
Austin
Wolseley
...

Can't think of too many modern ones.

Actually I googled it and there are way more than I realised

Too many to list. Some recent ones are

Saab
Hummer
Oldsmobile
Mercury
Plymouth
Daewoo
Etc
Etc

Add Pontiac to that.

prydey · 14-02-2019, 09:18 PM

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Add Pontiac to that.

GM has quite a few of their brands on the list.

It's a much bigger list than I realised.

Dr Terry · 15-02-2019, 10:20 AM

If we just do a list of defunct car brands from say 1960, it would go like this:-

Desoto
Edsel
Studebaker
Plymouth
Delorean
Pontiac
Oldsmobile
Saturn
Daewoo
Hummer
Mercury
Sunbeam
Singer
Hillman
Humber
Wolseley
Alvis
Morris
Austin
Riley
Standard
Triumph
Bedford
Fargo
Bolwell
Borgward
DAF
Leyland
De Tomaso
Eunos
Goggomobil
Goliath
ISO
Jensen
MG (has recently re-emerged under new owners)
SAAB
Rover
NSU
Prince
Rambler
AMC
Simca
Talbot

There are literally 1000s more but this is a list of the better known ones.

Dr Terry

Wretched · 15-02-2019, 10:38 AM

Cheeky note from Toyota this morning

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futura · 15-02-2019, 09:29 PM

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Cheeky note from Toyota this morningimage

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Go Toyota!!

MITCHAY · 15-02-2019, 10:59 PM

Holden was dead as soon as the VF finished. We all knew it, and they did too.

Opels didn't sell when they were Opels and they don't sell when they are rebadged as Holden either.

I've seen more Camaros the last week then I have seen fake 'Commodores' and they cost 90k and need to be converted to RHD!

Adamz Ghia · 15-02-2019, 11:10 PM

In my opinion Holden lost their way when they gave up their Euro products in favour of the old Daewoo models. They were terrible cars, cheap and nasty and went against everything Holden was trying to promote themselves as.

One has to wonder how they would have fared if they never got rid of Euro Barina, Astra, Vectra and the like.

prydey · 15-02-2019, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Holden was dead as soon as the VF finished. We all knew it, and they did too.

Opels didn't sell when they were Opels and they don't sell when they are rebadged as Holden either.

I've seen more Camaros the last week then I have seen fake 'Commodores' and they cost 90k and need to be converted to RHD!

Adelaide has always been Commodore country. It took easily at least 6 months after they were released for me to see one in the wild, but now they are actually reasonably common again here. Would see a handful every day and I only travel for about 25 mins each way.

Without the prejudice, they aren't a bad car.

MITCHAY · 15-02-2019, 11:22 PM

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Adelaide has always been Commodore country. It took easily at least 6 months after they were released for me to see one in the wild, but now they are actually reasonably common again here. Would see a handful every day and I only travel for about 25 mins each way.

Without the prejudice, they aren't a bad car.

No they aren't a bad car at all, but they are not in anyway a Commodore.

prydey · 15-02-2019, 11:30 PM

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No they aren't a bad car at all, but they are not in anyway a Commodore.

I'm sure some of the dyed in the wool buyers think that way also, but many clearly don't. Disregarding Commodore nameplate sales history, and disregarding Camry, it is actually selling quite well compared to the rest of the mid size cars.

arronm · 15-02-2019, 11:55 PM

Saw a silver calais today. looked good.