Hit and Miss

**Whoosha** · 04-05-2011, 08:04 PM

Well my trusty XR 8 developed a slight miss a week ago so gave it a bit of a birthday at the weekend before the Cruise to Haddys museum & Rod shop Plugs Oils ext, Seemed to be running ok but started emptying the header tank a few times along the way

So thought I mite investigate a bit further tonight after work

It would appear that Tickfords Hector M.Built 13sec stocky Wheeser has had a head gasket let go

Only has 100800ks on the clock but you get that. looks like another how to coming soon

Shed already has the Cortina in it getting ready for next month so room is at a premium

I would imagine this is how I would have looked if I didn't give up the smoke 10 years ago

Will give some update along the way soon as I finish stripping her down

GavL · 04-05-2011, 08:06 PM

Damn! That's no good woosh! Hope it's fixed soon enough.

**DJM83** · 04-05-2011, 08:12 PM

Not good Whoosha.

**Whoosha** · 04-05-2011, 08:26 PM

I am open to suggestions on how to clean the

rest of the sludge out of the bottom end with out pulling the motor out ?

GK · 04-05-2011, 08:28 PM

Oooh, sludgy, very sludgy.

Hope the repairs go well. Looking forward to seeing another "how to".

GK

Pinkbits · 04-05-2011, 08:33 PM

Is it possible to use a real cheap engine oil as well as an additive?
You may have to do it a few times at the least to flush it all out.

You know you could have brought it to the new man cave and done it here.
I'm sure the T2 would'nt mind giving up it's bed for a fellow AU.

b2tf · 04-05-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkbits

Is it possible to use a real cheap engine oil as well as an additive?
You may have to do it a few times at the least to flush it all out.

I'd use that combined with a good engine flush - Liqui Moly make a good one.

**Whoosha** · 04-05-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GK

Oooh, sludgy, very sludgy.

Hope the repairs go well. Looking forward to seeing another "how to".

GK

I am favoring the "how to" being get some one else to fix it

But I charge less

peterban · 04-05-2011, 08:45 PM

I look forward to the how to as mine has been pushing the water out of the header tank.
I don't have any sludge in the rocker covers so I am driving it until it shows up which side is crook.
Why was it so gunky in the inlet manifold?
Was the inlet manifold easy to remove?
Good luck with the repair.
If you are doing it on the weekend I wouldn't mind coming over to watch and get a few hints.

**Whoosha** · 04-05-2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkbits

Is it possible to use a real cheap engine oil as well as an additive?
You may have to do it a few times at the least to flush it all out.

You know you could have brought it to the new man cave and done it here.
I'm sure the T2 would'nt mind giving up it's bed for a fellow AU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by b2tf

I'd use that combined with a good engine flush - Liqui Moly make a good one.

That whats I was thinking maybe some el cheapo oils and filters a couple of times .. Not sure on the engine flush Austin, Never use one before does it make things go rattley or just de sludge things ?

**Whoosha** · 04-05-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by peterban

I look forward to the how to as mine has been pushing the water out of the header tank.
I don't have any sludge in the rocker covers so I am driving it until it shows up which side is crook.
Why was it so gunky in the inlet manifold?
Was the inlet manifold easy to remove?
Good luck with the repair.
If you are doing it on the weekend I wouldn't mind coming over to watch and get a few hints.

I will let you know Peter. With gaskets they either go 1 of 3 ways, water to cylinder (usually pressurizes the header tank emptying it) Cylinder to block ( out the side ) or water way to oil way which is what I have (I hope) resulting in the mix of oil and water making the sludges as it drys out the water separates the sludge goes more oil like, as for the actual job it takes longer to strip all the crap of the motor than the to pull the heads and replace the gasket

Mr Hardware · 04-05-2011, 09:23 PM

oh wow the last time i saw that stuff was on EL I6's.
If it were me, i'd be pretty ****ed off that its like that after only 100k.
But it really is time that kills cars, more than kays.

b2tf · 04-05-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoosha

That whats I was thinking maybe some el cheapo oils and filters a couple of times .. Not sure on the engine flush Austin, Never use one before does it make things go rattley or just de sludge things ?

I can't say I have used it but I have a regular guy here who is fairly into his cars and has used it in an AU V8 - he bought the car secondhand and wasnt familiar with the history so he wanted to clean it out as best he could. He was very surprised and happy with the result - surprised how much came out and happy with the performance of the engine afterward - thats about the limit of my experience with it. I think if it was mine I would scrape off as much as I could, seeing as you have to take the head off take them both off and clean out - shedloads of degreaser etc, then put back together, run the flush through and then put fresh oil in.

**Whoosha** · 04-05-2011, 09:40 PM

Thanks Austin I think thats the way to go, I have a sneeky suspicion that the Vally gasket went as 3 of the 6 bolts were loose as it has never been off it must have been a factory option

but as its apart now mite as well do the lot to make sure

b2tf · 04-05-2011, 10:03 PM

Hmm does this mean you lose the title of 'unopened' V8?!

You know these things go better with a bit of porting of the manifold...........

Donny · 04-05-2011, 10:10 PM

You could always pull it all out and turn it into a nice gutsy 347..

galaxy xr8 · 04-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

You could always pull it all out and turn it into a nice gutsy 347..

I like the way you think.

XRGhia · 04-05-2011, 10:29 PM

I beat you to suggesting that Donny :P

*looks at facebook post time*

But yeah, sorry to hear Whoosha.. Drop in a stroked 347 with supercharger? ;)

Day-mow · 04-05-2011, 10:40 PM

i've herd add diesel into the oil and run it for a little bit.
maybe add an engine flush in it as well. change the oil with some cheap stuff and give it a good flush

xagsjoe · 04-05-2011, 11:26 PM

Ahh that sucks mate :(

just clean out as much gunk as you can, pull lifters and give em a good soak in thinners or the like, when you get it back together go for a nice long drive and keep it warm for an hour or more. Get out the oil change kit while it's still hot and drain the sump ang should remove all the gunk.

I've seen worse. I would pull the cam angle sensor and use a drill to run the oil pump and flush the oil galleries with fresh oil before you start her again too.

Or..... 347ci will fix it as the others have mentioned

Kev_BLNXR8_Ute · 05-05-2011, 07:04 AM

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**Whoosha** · 05-05-2011, 04:12 PM

So far the $238 for all the gaskets,oils,coolant,thread lock,engine flush,filters,ext Has slipped buy the Finance controller if you lot can figure how to get the other $1200 for the AFR heads and 6k for the 363 stroker kit (Bigger is better) past her let me know

b2tf · 05-05-2011, 05:15 PM

Easy - show her the GT40P's in their current condition, they are 'unusable' and AFR's are cheaper than GT40P's from Ford.

crakrz · 05-05-2011, 05:59 PM

Whoosha, sorry to see her in that sort of condition. But I imagine the bearings would not have liked that sludge too much. How many hours running do you think it did in this condition? I would be careful as to how harsh of a solvent you use as this will also be very unkind to seals if the engine is staying in.

On the subject of your inlet manifold bolts, after a month after I purchased mine new I went round and rechecked sump bolts, manifold bolts etc etc, some were virtually finger tight after the settling of the gaskets, so it would be no surprise.

Good luck with whatever you decide, if you need an extra hand on the spanners, I am only up the road.

-Craig

**auIILTD** · 05-05-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Easy - show her the GT40P's in their current condition, they are 'unusable' and AFR's are cheaper than GT40P's from Ford.

Your divorced aren't you Austin?

Good luck with it Whoosha.

b2tf · 05-05-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by auIILTD

Your divorced aren't you Austin?

Good luck with it Whoosha.

Not even married yet. Got till March next year to play up.

**Whoosha** · 05-05-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Easy - show her the GT40P's in their current condition, they are 'unusable' and AFR's are cheaper than GT40P's from Ford.

35 years married last Sunday mate lost count of the $$$$ and motors over the years it will take more than that to get one over on the boss

Quote:

Originally Posted by crakrz

Whoosha, sorry to see her in that sort of condition. But I imagine the bearings would not have liked that sludge too much. How many hours running do you think it did in this condition? I would be careful as to how harsh of a solvent you use as this will also be very unkind to seals if the engine is staying in.

On the subject of your inlet manifold bolts, after a month after I purchased mine new I went round and rechecked sump bolts, manifold bolts etc etc, some were virtually finger tight after the settling of the gaskets, so it would be no surprise.

Good luck with whatever you decide, if you need an extra hand on the spanners, I am only up the road.

-Craig

Thanks for the offer mate but so far so good, I am just a bit out of practice and me old back dont like the bending over

It was only running 3 to 4 hours tops never got hot most of the water ended up in there when I pressurized the header tank, on the plus side I have got it all apart now and all seems good, Roller lifters, Rockers ext. look good as new even the bores look ok so have started the clean up of bits now so shall see how it goes

just a few shots of the other side Tonight just more of the same

Got all the lifters out and cleaned anyways.

Oh Yeah for the record T3 headers apart from the HP coating are the same as my 220 headers

mik · 05-05-2011, 07:45 PM

BUGGER ! i feel for ya, i had a diesel cylander liner go porous , the coolant water pretty much filled the engine,it looked a bit worse than yours, i don`t know what the proper procedure is to get rid of the gunk but it was a hell of a mess, but i spent forever it seemed like dismantling the engine and cleaning the crap off parts, from memory a pressure washer followed by degreaser and lots of rags, good luck with what ever direction you go.

sirlc6 · 05-05-2011, 10:17 PM

Put fresh cheap oil mix with diesel like 60% oil 40% diesel with the old filter let it run for about 10 mins or till operating temp reached don't rev it though. While it is hot drain the oil for long as possible change the filter should be all good after that. I have seen people use just diesel as oil but I think that is too thin. Do it twice if you feel like you need to but I have found once is enough.
Paul.

cedric · 05-05-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoosha

35 years married last Sunday mate lost count of the $$$$ and motors over the years it will take more than that to get one over on the boss

Thanks for the offer mate but so far so good, I am just a bit out of practice and me old back dont like the bending over

It was only running 3 to 4 hours tops never got hot most of the water ended up in there when I pressurized the header tank, on the plus side I have got it all apart now and all seems good, Roller lifters, Rockers ext. look good as new even the bores look ok so have started the clean up of bits now so shall see how it goes

just a few shots of the other side Tonight just more of the same

Got all the lifters out and cleaned anyways.

Oh Yeah for the record T3 headers apart from the HP coating are the same as my 220 headers

i can't see any difference between my 185 au2 ute headers and my 220 ones either