VF Holden

[b0son]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

what i'm saying is you'll be changing a premium performance fpv which should be compared to the next clubsport , so what your saying is . i'm down grading

performance fpv, yes. premium? debatable. as he's already said, power isnt everything, and if you're not fussed about power, what does the FPV actually offer? if an SS comes better equipped than an FPV, well, thats a bit embrassing for FPV isnt it? thats a 'downgrade' i'd be happy to make, quite frankly.

[EB#]

Here is another pic, from a marketing email I received this afternoon....
(edit: just saw that Brazen has already posted this pic)

https://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/data/2937/vfssv.jpg[/IMG]

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by b0son

performance fpv, yes. premium? debatable. as he's already said, power isnt everything, and if you're not fussed about power, what does the FPV actually offer? if an SS comes better equipped than an FPV, well, thats a bit embrassing for FPV isnt it? thats a 'downgrade' i'd be happy to make, quite frankly.

Yes... The car itself appeals to me more then a big supercharged motor. For not much more I could buy an FG2 5.0 GT but at the end of the day its the same car as what I have now, with a bit more power. If I was that way inclined I would just keep what I have and pocket 30 kay.

I don't use the power I have now but I still like having a V8, even if it costs me a premium to own. Maybe I'll wait till 2014 and see what Ford do.

[mik]

Originally Posted by b0son

performance fpv, yes. premium? debatable. as he's already said, power isnt everything, and if you're not fussed about power, what does the FPV actually offer? if an SS comes better equipped than an FPV, well, thats a bit embrassing for FPV isnt it? thats a 'downgrade' i'd be happy to make, quite frankly.

probably right, i guess if your not fussed about having a muscle car a prius would do the job .

[AD07]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

well trading over from a an FG GT , TO VF SSV , i think you'll be a little dissapointed . the GT is more premium to an SSV . however i'll look forward to your views .

What.......are you saying this just because the GT has a better engine & is faster ?
Id say the interior & features are waaaaay more premium than a GT.
Its not always about how quick your car is, thats what aftermarket options cater for.

[FPV8U]

Really looking to Fords return serve, this VF is a massive step forward, that interior is a mile infront of VEII/FGII but im still not sold on the rear end treatment, in saying that there is a very low % chance of me ever buying a new Commodore.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by b0son

performance fpv, yes. premium? debatable. as he's already said, power isnt everything, and if you're not fussed about power, what does the FPV actually offer? if an SS comes better equipped than an FPV, well, thats a bit embrassing for FPV isnt it? thats a 'downgrade' i'd be happy to make, quite frankly.

Get a bit of reality happening ...... comparing a new VF vs the now older FG? Bit embarrassing for FPV in what way? That a new released car has more techo bits than a 5 year old model? What's embarrassing is the fact the HSV will still have the slower car .... and yes that is still important for many .... or do the goal posts change suddenly when HSV cant keep up and now its only all about equipment? Wish the HSV boys would make up their minds. Gets all confusing.

Embarrasing

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by AD07

What.......are you saying this just because the GT has a better engine & is faster ?
Id say the interior & features are waaaaay more premium than a GT.
Its not always about how quick your car is, thats what aftermarket options cater for.

no thats not what i'm saying .

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by b0son

performance fpv, yes. premium? debatable. as he's already said, power isnt everything, and if you're not fussed about power, what does the FPV actually offer? if an SS comes better equipped than an FPV, well, thats a bit embrassing for FPV isnt it? thats a 'downgrade' i'd be happy to make, quite frankly.

IT's not rocket science . FPV offers the same as HSV , a more expensive V8 car thats one above an SSV or/ XR8 . not comparable . even if the newer model ss/xr8 have more features , compare apples and updates with apples , not plums .

A point of this is when the bf 6 spd zf xr8 came out , some marketing was trying to say its better and faster than the 4 spd fpv ba gt .
who cares it was never a gt . and was never comparable and the ba gt still has the WOW factor over the newer more refined BF XR8 .anyone who upgraded to the BF 6SPD XR8 from thier BA GT 2003 MODEL I WOULD DEEM AN IDIOT .

I GAURANTEE if DASH keeps his GT and also buys a VF SSV 5 years from now the FG GT will be the most looked at and sort after. simply because his SSV will have BETTER MODEL OUT THERE , CALLED A HSV .

[Hulsty]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Get a bit of reality happening ...... comparing a new VF vs the now older FG? Bit embarrassing for FPV in what way? That a new released car has more techo bits than a 5 year old model? What's embarrassing is the fact the HSV will still have the slower car .... and yes that is still important for many .... or do the goal posts change suddenly when HSV cant keep up and now its only all about equipment? Wish the HSV boys would make up their minds. Gets all confusing.

Embarrasing

Its only short term that VF will be slower....

[DJM83]

From some of the posts here you would think that we have some folk that work at Clayton and must know the future power plant of the new HSV.
But i have a scoop on the looks

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by DJM83

From some of the posts here you would think that we have some folk that work at Clayton and must know the future power plant of the new HSV.
But i have a scoop on the looks
image

...... Whats scary is are so damn close!!!! If you had of put a Chev badge on it you would have nailed it

Originally Posted by Hulsty

Its only short term that VF will be slower....

But its not about the power??????

Good to see that after all this time Holden has put the effort in ..... shame that Ford will trump it next year. Don't forget, its only a 12 month wait and then Holden will have another 3 odd years to catch up again

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Good to see that after all this time Holden has put the effort in ..... shame that Ford will trump it next year. Don't forget, its only a 12 month wait and then Holden will have another 3 odd years to catch up again

But but according to some Ford havent got a clue what they are doing, had no clue about the VF and are stopping making them next week and the FU Falcon will just have a new stripe kit and badges...

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by DJM83

From some of the posts here you would think that we have some folk that work at Clayton and must know the future power plant of the new HSV.
But i have a scoop on the looks
image

I saw that thing on the LS1 forums the other day and lost my mind

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Get a bit of reality happening ...... comparing a new VF vs the now older FG? Bit embarrassing for FPV in what way? That a new released car has more techo bits than a 5 year old model?

FGII isn't 5 years old.... remind me again what upgrades the FGII FPV got?

What's embarrassing is the fact the HSV will still have the slower car .... and yes that is still important for many

Clearly the amount of people for whom the priority is performance also correlates nicely with unwillingness to open their wallets. HSV continues to trump FPV in the sales department with a slower car with more gadgets.

[sbutler]

Camey front. Mazda 6 back...

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

But but according to some Ford havent got a clue what they are doing, had no clue about the VF and are stopping making them next week and the FU Falcon will just have a new stripe kit and badges...

yes . I HOPE FORD TAKE NOTE OF THE VF ON MONDAY WHEN they stop playing suduko , there jaws will drop game over , i can see some of them choking on thier coffee , and then they will start hunting through the net looking for some briggs and straton parts to try and come up with a new falscon .

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by b0son

FGII isn't 5 years old.... remind me again what upgrades the FGII FPV got?



Clearly the amount of people for whom the priority is performance also correlates nicely with unwillingness to open their wallets. HSV continues to trump FPV in the sales department with a slower car with more gadgets.

A TOUCH SCREEN , but the gts went from 317 to 325 fwkw.

[MAFIA]

This was taken what people said on Facebook!
Ford Territory Bonnet
Daewoo Epica front end
Merc Benz driving light
Mazda6, Kia optima, Toyoata Aurion Back end

Seriously the exterior of the car is very Korean inspired. Where is the Australian styling in this VF???

[Charliewool]

Have I missed something in all this Holden group hugging? No ones mentioned the new hi tech donk? It HAS got a whole new range of donks, has'nt it? An all new V6, A brand spankin new triple cam, 6 valve per cylinder 9.8 litre V8? How ANYONE can compare a vehicle, with arguably the best hi tech supercharged V8 engine ever built in the world...To a vehicle that ok,has a pretty neat new interior and new front and rear clip, but still has basically a souped up 1960's OHV pushrod small block Chev drivin the wheels. It IS the same V8 as VE, VZ etc isn't it? It IS the same sludgebox 6 speed auto isn't it? Same ****** suspension? Guys, guys.. It's STILL "just" a Commodore!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

But but according to some Ford havent got a clue what they are doing, had no clue about the VF and are stopping making them next week and the FU Falcon will just have a new stripe kit and badges...

had to quote this so people can read it twice.

its hard to believe that in a country with only 3 manufacturers, people actually believe that one of them can release a car and 'surprise' the other 2 with content.

to me, there are no surprises in this thread as far as allegence goes. reading some of the comments reminds me of a teen reading his first playboy....

[babyf6]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

but still has basically a souped up 1960's OHV pushrod small block Chev drivin the wheels. It IS the same V8 as VE, VZ etc isn't it? It IS the same sludgebox 6 speed auto isn't it? Same ****** suspension? Guys, guys.. It's STILL "just" a Commodore!

i totally forgot bout that, but then again, all they do is just bore it out a bit more

[greenfoam]

there's a lot more to an engine than how the valves open bro. OHV in a v8 configuration has a lot going for it in simplicity and efficiency.

Any engine designer would have to think long and hard when moving away from that setup for a road car, imho its not worth the extra parts and complexity. The better ports you can have with ohc's are next to pointless at the revs a big v8 road car will see in its lifetime. You know what they say about simple things...

Point is there's nothing wrong or old fashioned about ohv its just neat and simple and it works.

[BHDOGS]

I hear a rumor calais or berlina is getting the chop and there leaning towards calais as they sell **** all of em. Not to be confused with the Calais V

[Smoke Pursuit]

Berlina will get the chop... Omega will be VE2 spec Berlina anyways.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by DJM83

But i have a scoop on the looks
image

Now was that a pun or just coincidence

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by b0son

FGII isn't 5 years old.... remind me again what upgrades the FGII FPV got?



Clearly the amount of people for whom the priority is performance also correlates nicely with unwillingness to open their wallets. HSV continues to trump FPV in the sales department with a slower car with more gadgets.

Splitting straws a bit ...... the VE was 7 years or so old, updates aside this is a new model while the FG continues on for another 12 months. I don't understand want the argument is about!

HSV has always sold more than FPV/Tickford. There are more Holden fans than Ford fans ..... simple. Doesn't matter which is better, its always been the same. Even when the 185 was proudly displayed on the back of a HSV they sold more. Why? I really have no idea!~

............... and yes, I opened my wallet and bought a GT335 and absolutely thank FPV for making such a great car to enjoy every single day and I considered many cars ....... and guess what! I bought the better car! HSV will trump FPV in the pretty buttons stakes but not in the power stake and despite what you believe, that is still important to many including me.

[Iggle Piggle]

So you used to buy Holden's in the early 2000's?

[Orangejuicepony]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Have I missed something in all this Holden group hugging? No ones mentioned the new hi tech donk? It HAS got a whole new range of donks, has'nt it? An all new V6, A brand spankin new triple cam, 6 valve per cylinder 9.8 litre V8? How ANYONE can compare a vehicle, with arguably the best hi tech supercharged V8 engine ever built in the world...To a vehicle that ok,has a pretty neat new interior and new front and rear clip, but still has basically a souped up 1960's OHV pushrod small block Chev drivin the wheels. It IS the same V8 as VE, VZ etc isn't it? It IS the same sludgebox 6 speed auto isn't it? Same ****** suspension? Guys, guys.. It's STILL "just" a Commodore!

And the Falcon is still just a Falcon... and the rest of the country has moved on from it (and the VE, Aurion, Camry). Storm in a teacup...

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

So you used to buy Holden's in the early 2000's?

Asking me? No I'd didn't. Bought 6 Au's in various forms, had an Audi as well along with an SUV. Always enjoyed the way the old Wheezer 5.0 drove and the AU's were faultless to drive. Didn't buy a 5.4 V8 as they didn't suit at the time so I pretty much bipassed the B series as well as the total LS1 oiler and kept the AU's .... If that answers the dig at the AU era?