CK18km? gtv6 capri,

stuartduncan · 02-05-2014, 04:52 PM

Can some one tell me what a ck18km capri is. CK= Australian, KM= 7/70 but the 18 has me beat. It is a v6 gt though.

cosworthfreak · 02-05-2014, 05:00 PM

If it's a GT then it should be CK17. The other Capri codes were 14 for a deluxe (base model) and 30 for an XL.

Maybe a stamping error, do you have any pics? Is it just on the compliance plate, or on the body as well?

The body number on 1970 cars was stamped on the high section of the slam panel, behind the bonnet lock mechanism.

Cheers
Jamie

Capriman · 02-05-2014, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuartduncan

Can some one tell me what a ck18km capri is. CK= Australian, KM= 7/70 but the 18 has me beat. It is a v6 gt though.

This is indeed an odd one! Ford never used the number 18 as its 3rd & 4th body series codes on any vehicle.

Capri's used 14 (1600 Deluxe), 17 (GT, be it 1600 or 3000) and 30 (1600 XL).

Other codes in this 10 series are:
11=Futura sedan and 12=Futura Taxi, but no other codes were used in the 10 series except if they were like, 1C=Transit 125, 1D=Transit Sundowner, 1J=F100 4x2, 1K=F700 and 1T=F100 Bronco.

I'd suggest, as is often the case, that the number was wrongly stamped by the human being who was doing that job at the time.

Cheers Terry

stuartduncan · 02-05-2014, 05:38 PM

Thanks for the information. The number is on the plate only and apparently there is no number on the slam panel. Ford is aware of the number but will not tell me much as I do not own the car (yet). I have not personally inspected the vehicle yet.

allanv6gt · 03-05-2014, 09:29 PM

Slam panels get replaced after minor front end bingles and not re-stamped.
Compliance / ID plates are only held on with pop-rivets, so can be easily swapped around.
However, V6 body shell structural diffrences are harder to fudge - at least 4 immediately spring to mind (3-bolt engine cross-member, full length plating in front of strut on subrail to beaver panel in wheelarch, gussets at top rear of inner engine bay skirt to firewall, high-level brake lines crossing plenum chamber)

1970 V6 GT had the engine number stamped on the drivers strut mounting plate top face.
My engines are all JEnnnna, e.g. JE1234B. Don't recall if this is on the compliance plates.

Identification plate does show......
Model 13018 is a Capri (13) 1970 (0) GT (18). 1971 GT would be 13118.
Engine P (V6), D (1600-1V in Deluxe), F (1600 2V as in XL model)
Trans X (mnl), Y (auto)
and paint/rim codes etc

The CK18 (as suggested above) may simply be a stamping typo.

WOGBOY69 · 11-05-2014, 07:13 PM

Hi all
as what allanv6gt says. Is right . How many times have these cars been hit smashed hard . Repaint and sanded and boged and repainted..alot has happened in 40 odd years .
Brake lines and cross member bolts yes and yes..
But at the end of the day.. These are old cars and there were so many modes and modles bought out pre and facelift mk1 ..
All i have to say if you think its a good one keep it love it drive it injoy it ...
Love capris and escorts mk1 just love them ..
Cheers

V8GT · 11-05-2014, 11:20 PM

As Allan said! look out for these differences. There are just as many if not more re bodied v6 GT capri's than there is genuine ones.

On top of what Allan has mentioned there are further structural differences that are unique to certain years.

If you are unsure when you look at it, post some pics up and we can let you know what it really is.

allanv6gt · 13-05-2014, 09:57 PM

there are further structural differences
e.g. 1969 seatbelts were low on B-pillar (bottom of D window height), moved to upper B-pillar in later years.
And....Seatbelt stalks : early (1970 at least) are on top of tunnel in fore aft arrangement, with later years (1972?) being on the side of the tunnel.
Your local Capri/Small Ford club gurus have 'The Knowledge'

......But wait, there's more !!!
(but no free steak knives, or at least not that I've found so far)

cosworthfreak · 13-05-2014, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Your local Capri/Small Ford club gurus have 'The Knowledge'.....

As do your local non club Capri/small Ford gurus.

WOGBOY69 · 14-05-2014, 05:44 PM

Well on this point ..i think this is a stuff up..i just looked on my rego papers and it says ck14,,,, so i ran downstairs opened the shed up and both motoor and body has ck17 same numbers .
How do i fix this stuff up..
Please advise
cheers

cosworthfreak · 14-05-2014, 07:31 PM

It should be a simple fix at the rego office Gerry. It may have to be reinspected to confirm the numbers, but hopefully you fill out a form and that's it.

Cheers
Jamie

WOGBOY69 · 17-05-2014, 05:34 PM

hi Jamie
so does that mean get a new road worth inspection papers done . will the person that did the road worth last get into trouble.
need more info .
cheers
gerry

WOGBOY69 · 18-05-2014, 02:54 PM

Hi all back on this topic.
Well i dug more and more into this on my rego papers it says engine no..ck17me34043p and vin and chassis no.ck14kp82281 . So what has this told me .
The car has been threw some crap in life .. The modifcation plate says the ck17 number its the same ..i cant even see the numbers ck14 properlly on the slam panel ..
So how can i fix this stuff up.
Has anyone got any ideas
cheers
gerry

V8GT · 18-05-2014, 07:43 PM

4 cylinder with v6 id tags/running gear?

not a lot you can do wog boy besides re-stamping the car.

wombat2509 · 18-05-2014, 08:59 PM

[QUOTE=allanv6gt;5087284]Slam panels get replaced after minor front end bingles and not re-stamped.
Compliance / ID plates are only held on with pop-rivets, so can be easily swapped around.
However, V6 body shell structural diffrences are harder to fudge - at least 4 immediately spring to mind (3-bolt engine cross-member, full length plating in front of strut on subrail to beaver panel in wheelarch, gussets at top rear of inner engine bay skirt to firewall, high-level brake lines crossing plenum chamber)

1970 V6 GT had the engine number stamped on the drivers strut mounting plate top face.
My engines are all JEnnnna, e.g. JE1234B. Don't recall if this is on the compliance plates.

Identification plate does show......
Model 13018 is a Capri (13) 1970 (0) GT (18). 1971 GT would be 13118.
Engine P (V6), D (1600-1V in Deluxe), F (1600 2V as in XL model)
Trans X (mnl), Y (auto)
and paint/rim codes etc

Have you checked the things above that allanv6gt suggested (in particular the cross member its the easiest) if they aren't right you have a 4 cylinder body.

WOGBOY69 · 20-05-2014, 09:30 PM

Hi all
yes checked all . And all is right..well v8gt it could be the other way around v6 body and running gear. With the front end been replaced some time ago.. And its got a 4 cylinder front . All is the same as a gtv6.not all these car are number ..not even me i have been cut and smashed and metal part been put in . So do i need to restamped .

Jg33ah · 17-06-2014, 09:32 PM

hi looked at 69 capri that was advertised as 1600gt however the vin was CK78JExxxxx I've never seen or heard of 78 .
Does anybody know what this is

cosworthfreak · 17-06-2014, 10:59 PM

78 is not a model number that was intended for Capri's, but may be for another Ford. Is the chassis number you're referring to stamped on the body, or the build plate?

I'd really have to look at the car to tell for sure. The 'JE' after the 78 means it's a December 1969 build, so that lines up at least.

Cheers
Jamie

Jg33ah · 18-06-2014, 07:04 AM

The ck78 was on the comp plate riveted to rh inner panel in front of right shock. Jexxxxx was stamped on radiator support panel
Cheers

cosworthfreak · 18-06-2014, 09:42 AM

The small build plate should have the chassis number stamped in two sections.

For an original 1600GT, you would have CK17JE in the top left box on the plate, then 5 numbers stamped in the next box to the right. Together, this will be the complete chassis number.

This should also be stamped on the highest section of the slam panel, to the rear of the bonnet locking mechanism.

There should also be a number stamped on top of the drivers side shock tower. This will be the car's original engine number, and won't resemble the chassis number (nor is it stamped on the build plate from memory).

Any photos you had would help.

Cheers
Jamie

Wiggy333 · 03-08-2014, 12:45 PM

Hi all yeah I've got the bug and bought another Capri. Thing is it's got the same number CK18ME. So maybe I bought the same vehicle or it's another one with the same problem. Thing is it's got the right engine no stamped on the drivers side shock tower. But it has no number on the front slam panel but it has never been replaced, the original paint is still there. On the compliance plate it says it's a 13018 model it has a JE engine number. It's motor code is P it's paint code is R and it's trim is B. it has three bolt crossmember triangle bracket left and right side just under the bonnet for strength and also bigger ones above the washer bottle and brake booster. It has a sunroof and v6 dash the brake lines run above the bulge in the rear of the bonnet space. I have removed with paint stripper all paint from lock mechanism slam panel and over the back to behind the radiator and no number. The original paint is red or maybe candy apple. Any suggestion on what it is it says to me it's a gtv6 with 13018 model. Can take pics if needed. Thanks Keith

allanv6gt · 03-08-2014, 09:24 PM

13018 / 3 bolt x-mem / JE Eng num / Engine P...all sound good

However, Paint code R
1969 - Diamond White
1970 -Diamond White
1971 - R not listed
1972 - Copper Bronze (metallic)

If CKxxM is 1972, then paint code K is Wild Plum, or X is Red Pepper....could be either if the plate is hard to read.

If it is the factory steel wind-back sunroof then you've got a rare one (from what I hear on this forum).

If both CK18ME, then how far apart are they in the build sequence?

Wiggy333 · 03-08-2014, 10:32 PM

Sorry it's vin is CK18KM not ME slight typo. Keith

Aether · 04-08-2014, 05:00 PM

I bought a 1970 model which has a compliance plate of ck17ky but I can't find anything on the slam panel and if it's been replaced it's an incredible job because I have sandblasted all over the place and found no trace of a number or any altered spot welds. For all money it's an original slam panel but no number.

However after emailing the NSW rta it should be ok as any car built before August 1 1971 does not need a compliance plate and I have a letter from ford stating the factory configuration when the car was made.

Wiggy333 · 04-08-2014, 05:27 PM

Hi yeah this one is the same no chance it's been in accident or replaced. If that was done it would be a miracle. I spoke with Ford today and yes the vin number according to them is right. They go off the model and chassis no or sido no as well as the run number. Tried firstly when they said the number is not right or couldn't find it to check for ck17km. When they came back no convincing would achieve the fact that an 18 to a 17 was incorrect. They said if was 17 it would be incorrect. Cur fuddled yes I am although confirmed undoubtedly that it is a true 3000 gt. Now just waiting for the report to find out what options were fitted at the factory. It's an interesting exercise I think everyone should do as you find out lots more than most sellers will ever tell you or really no for themselves. At the end of the day I think it's stamped wrong and Ford knows it but it was picked up at sale or by a dealer and rectified on fords end. Keith

Aether · 04-08-2014, 06:24 PM

At the end of the day I think you said it best, "if you think its a good one keep it love it drive it injoy it ..."

I can appreciate all the versions of the capris. But the capris with the V6 bonnet look the best. Who cares what number is on a piece of paper? I know I will never sell my Capri so what its worth to a collector is of little concern.

allanv6gt · 04-08-2014, 07:25 PM

Wiggy - who (and how) did you contact at Ford for this info. I'm sure a number of us would be interested to know what is sitting in the garage.

Aether · 04-08-2014, 07:30 PM

You just send "proof of ownership that contains the vehicle identification number (VIN), and a copy of your personal identification with your current address (driver’s licence etc)."

And email foacust1@ford.com

Aether · 04-08-2014, 07:32 PM

Once I had passed the hurdles they emailed me a PDF letter which had every little detail of when it was made and what options it came with, original colour paint and trim, transmission etc.

Most importantly for me was confirmation of date of manufacture matching the documents the seller gave me, which means I should have no problem with blue slip.

Wiggy333 · 04-08-2014, 07:44 PM

Hi all, I have called Ford Australia and spoken to their customer service team. They are very helpful but knowledgable I am unsure. Called asked about my vin and they told me I would have a full report in 24hrs. They called me back with details but for a report a lice cans proof of ownership is required. Sent that through and waiting for hard copy now. It's so easy and hopefully secure. Any way bought this capri minimal rust (yeah floor pans small section rear window bottom and small pieces inside bonnet section) and managed to get motor running over the weekend. With a little help. So it's a running gt 3000 under $5000.00 love it. Ps the wife's not. Oh what a weekend of hell. But I'm happy