Overrated cars - Page 2

Sprintey · 27-05-2020, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

VT vs AU? Do we want to go there? It will be a bloodbath

LS1? Supercharged V6? Sales numbers? IRS? The looks?

We don't need to go there again. Wouldn't say no to a nice L67 myself. Actually speaking of overrated, how's the introduction of the Alloytec and all the subsequent timing chains and sludging - makes the Ecotec be remembered so fondly, even today. Lol when the Holden service department tell your Dad his VY ecotec was the best model ever, hold on to it - years after it was in production!

Sprintey · 27-05-2020, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Just because something is popular it doesn't mean its good

I was going to put eGas Falcon on the list but you probably can't say its 'overrated' because everyone knows mixer ring LPG setups are the devil

That's the genius of this thread. You can't just list a total dog, it has to be something that people thought was better than it actually turned out to be.

OP good thread!

Vekgib · 27-05-2020, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

That's the genius of this thread. You can't just list a total dog, it has to be something that people thought was better than it actually turned out to be.

OP good thread!

Based on that criteria, I'd be surprised if the JB Camira hasn't been mentioned yet

Sprintey · 27-05-2020, 07:45 PM

Car of the year!

Franco Cozzo · 27-05-2020, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

That's the genius of this thread. You can't just list a total dog, it has to be something that people thought was better than it actually turned out to be.

OP good thread!

In that case everything VW

Trendseeker · 27-05-2020, 10:45 PM

2010 to 2012 model Jeeps. Hyped during the “he/she bought a Jeep?” campaigns and “don’t hold back” slogans, and sales numbers went through the roof, but there were reliability issues and many owners didn’t return to buy again.

roKWiz · 28-05-2020, 08:56 AM

Ford Ranger Raptor

kaniSS · 28-05-2020, 09:40 AM

Range Rovers. Big, boxy, ugly. with a 150k price tag attached to boot. lol.

**Polyal** · 28-05-2020, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kaniSS

Range Rovers. Big, boxy, ugly. with a 150k price tag attached to boot. lol.

Yeah but when you are cruising over any terrain you want in luxury and a V8 its pretty good.

swanee · 28-05-2020, 12:12 PM

The moment I saw the title of this thread... I immediately though of the E-Type

Bossxr8 · 28-05-2020, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

i,m a big fan of the e type, and that its long bonnet is good looking to me. and this style has been copied over the years.

although the lamborghini countach is an attractive car, they say its a pig of a thing to drive.

I think the Countach is very colour dependant. I actually think they look silly in red, but menacing in black.

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

I'm trying to think of 'overrated' - a tough one as so subjective with looks etc. And not just saying a car is overrated as you don't like it, for eg with dual cabs I'm no fan of them, but plenty are, they are a good compromise between work/family/load/offroad so they probably sell for a reason.

Going back, only thing that immediately pops up is VT Commodore vs the poor AU. On sales, perception, looks, VT conquered. On the substance behind it, AU had the engineering quality while things like the Commodore IRS needed the VXII upgrades from the start. But VT was marketed so well (interior choices, ride choice, pitched with a bit of special for everyday people user-choosing their work car etc) and AU so... ordinarily... that in respect of how they were built, the VT was overrated.

Edit: a modern example, the Hilux/Prado 2.8DPF that could lay a smokescreen like a WW2 destroyer. Hasn't seem to affected the resale, or the reliability perception.

Over time, the VT has become severely overrated the older it gets. They sold a heap when new and they were very popular. But then they started falling apart, and most you see now are just absolute ****ters. And that popular Tiger Mica colour has aged terribly.

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Originally Posted by Fiji

I don't think the AU falcon is overrated.. should I elaborate?

Because it was never rated to begin with. You can't overrate something the majority of the population never liked in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Fiji

VT vs AU? Do we want to go there? It will be a bloodbath

LS1? Supercharged V6? Sales numbers? IRS? The looks?

LS1 piston slap and oil leaks, Supercharged V6 had less power than a stock BA Barra

, the IRS was so crap it just flogged the inside of the tyres out due to camber change, and the looks have faded severely over time.

The only thing that gets a bloodbath is the VT's reputation over time. Only thing it can hang it's hat on is it sold in good numbers, but you also have to factor in a lot of people didn't want to buy an AU due to the looks, so Holden got a free kick there.

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Originally Posted by Fiji

Absolutely. They have every eBay attachment on them in it but no performance.

The Everest must be mentioned as well, the territory was a proper car but they replace it with that rubbish

You have been told numerous times the Everest was not a replacement for Territory. Ford said this from the start. Why do you keep trying to push this line when it is 100% false?

There has been no direct replacement.

Bossxr8 · 28-05-2020, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fordomatic

I think AU's are the ugliest cars ever made by Ford. Look at them compared to every other model. The design is so out there, especially the XR models.

I just love how ugly they are and the comments you get for owning one. I get more thumbs up in my XR8 than I have in any other car i've ever owned. I think it's because they just stand out so much and are so recognisable and relatable to so many that remember them.

People love blueprint. It's one thing from the AU era that was widely acclaimed.

Falcon SXR8 · 28-05-2020, 01:32 PM

I agree im not a fan of the e type and have never got what all the praise was about.

**FTE217** · 28-05-2020, 01:58 PM

Audis, as much as I love a RS4 R8's etc the volume product, A4's/Q's have so many expensive probs if your the sucker out of WTY.
Gearboxs !
Volvo's as well, XC90's etc same costly prob.
Badge sucker buyers but they would never tell their friends their Euro is in for repair !

Bossxr8 · 28-05-2020, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

Audis, as much as I love a RS4 R8's etc the volume product, A4's/Q's have so many expensive probs if your the sucker out of WTY.
Gearboxs !
Volvo's as well, XC90's etc same costly prob.
Badge sucker buyers but they would never tell their friends their Euro is in for repair !

My favourite Euro car owner practice is badge removal. So the guy with the 5 year old 318i, can pretend to be a baller after spending 20k on a used base model 3 series

And he lives to tell people he drives a BMW.

raised by monkeys · 28-05-2020, 02:22 PM

Didn't take long for this to become an AU thread

raised by monkeys · 28-05-2020, 02:26 PM

When I think of overrated cars my mind slips to anything imported, and is generally something expensive to repair such as the already mentioned euro built cars. But they are built for European weather not to withstand our conditions.

Bossxr8 · 28-05-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raised by monkeys

Didn't take long for this to become an AU thread

The AU was never much rated in the first place. So it's odd it was bought up.

oldel · 28-05-2020, 02:40 PM

Hilux

Anything made in Australia :-P

roKWiz · 28-05-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oldel

Hilux

Anything made in Australia :-P

We might as well go the whole hog.....anything made after the year 2000.

oldel · 28-05-2020, 02:53 PM

*checks notes* the barra came out in 2002.
Nah, anything before 2000 ;-D

Have you seen how overpriced pre 1980s cars are here?

roKWiz · 28-05-2020, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oldel

*checks notes* the barra came out in 2002.
Nah, anything before 2000 ;-D

Have you seen how overpriced pre 1980s cars are here?

Lets say newer than 2000 which is foreign made then.

**FTE217** · 28-05-2020, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by oldel

*checks notes* the barra came out in 2002.
Nah, anything before 2000 ;-D

Have you seen how overpriced pre 1980s cars are here?

I have to agree about the cars grew up with, most are POS to drive in todays standards as much as I love them, so so over rated - pi$$$'s me off for I'd like to buy one but I ain't going to pay $50k odd for a Falcon used to be $3-5k

Even looking at Vals, once upon a time were given away

Rusted up XA/B/C coupes with $100k to spend asking $20-50k

roKWiz · 28-05-2020, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

I have to agree about the cars grew up with, most are POS to drive in todays standards as much as I love them, so so over rated - pi$$$'s me off for I'd like to buy one but I ain't going to pay $50k odd for a Falcon used to be $3-5k

Even looking at Vals, once upon at time were given away

Rusted up XA/B/C coupes with $100k to spend asking $20-50k

Considering we use to buy them in the early 80s for around $500 to a couple of thousand, registered.

oldel · 28-05-2020, 03:16 PM

Yeah, those bargains are now the 90s-2010 cars now.
Usually cheap BMWs for me. You can get a cheap E39 or even a E46 real cheap. That vintage of 95-2005 are pretty reliable - straight 6 like a ford.
If you can work on a Bseries you can work on a BMW. Best thing is you'll never run out of parts - unlike falcons there is a worldwide supply. More parts at wreckers too as they don't get crushed as quick because the wrecker values them more than a domestic.
E46 sedan 3l i6, 170kw, ZF auto $3k
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6170792/?Cr=1

E39 wagon, unfortunately only a 2.8L with 141kw, harder to get wagons with a 3L*
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6573579/?Cr=4

You can get them, one was for sale around me for ages for $4500, I hated the interior colour though - it was that orangey colour.

Budget $4k for suspension, gaskets, hoses, plastics and you'll have a well sorted car that drives well for another 5-7 years.

roKWiz · 28-05-2020, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by oldel

Yeah, those bargains are now the 90s-2010 cars now.
Usually cheap BMWs for me. You can get a cheap E39 or even a E46 real cheap. That vintage of 95-2005 are pretty reliable - straight 6 like a ford.
If you can work on a Bseries you can work on a BMW. Best thing is you'll never run out of parts - unlike falcons there is a worldwide supply. More parts at wreckers too as they don't get crushed as quick because the wrecker values them more than a domestic.
E46 sedan 3l i6, 170kw, ZF auto $3k
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6170792/?Cr=1

E39 wagon, unfortunately only a 2.8L with 141kw, harder to get wagons with a 3L*
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6573579/?Cr=4

You can get them, one was for sale around me for ages for $4500, I hated the interior colour though - it was that orangey colour.

Budget $4k for suspension, gaskets, hoses, plastics and you'll have a well sorted car that drives well for another 5-7 years.

Still overrated. IMO.

oldel · 28-05-2020, 03:37 PM

You just need to go on a course, so here it is:
Instead of saying PCM you say DME. Instead of saying BEM you say body module.
Instead of repairing ford IRS bushings you repair BMW IRS bushings, same for bosch brakes and electrics.
Instead of forscan you use ISTA
Instead of buying bits from mr fpv you buy them from fcp.

If you buy a $1000 or less e39 with engine problems you just barra swap it.

**FTE217** · 28-05-2020, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Still overrated. IMO.

yes and no.
I'm the darkhorse in my family back in those days being a local Ford devotee they were Euro buyers.
As we know euro cars don't like our heat - some of the interior failures were epic but there were some that were good.
I had a E21 328i manual hand me down, those things went bloody great and as oldel mentions nothing like that bimmer inline 6 ! it is a cracker motor.
Handling etc would kill my beloved Falcons hands down.
E36's were another great model to me.
Funnily after all those years my old man saying, I'll neva buy a Jap or this and that his last 2 cars have been Lexus's

......won't get him out of them now.

roKWiz · 28-05-2020, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oldel

You just need to go on a course, so here it is:
Instead of saying PCM you say DME. Instead of saying BEM you say body module.
Instead of repairing ford IRS bushings you repair BMW IRS bushings, same for bosch brakes and electrics.
Instead of forscan you use ISTA
Instead of buying bits from mr fpv you buy them from fcp.

If you buy a $1000 or less e39 with engine problems you just barra swap it.

I don't even know what you are talking about nor do I want to, my latest car still has wind up windows and leaf springs.

oldel · 28-05-2020, 03:57 PM

Yeah, I know what you drive. I'd never buy them because there's no use or value in them to me ;-)