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Old 11-05-2012, 07:54 PM   #1
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Default Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

Just finished reading this new Commodore vs Falcon road test on Drive today... in the end a slim win to the Falcon although I disagree with the assessment of the drive train not adding up to a even bigger margin.
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...511-1yh07.html

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Old 11-05-2012, 08:20 PM   #2
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

pretty fair comparo imo.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:23 PM   #3
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

In a world thats becoming increasingly allergic to large sedans, its good to see a write up such as this.
Thumbs up to Drive (for once) on providing a well-balanced argument, that will hopefully convince some people out there to avoid another pointless SUV purchase.

Its a lot more versatile & useful to a wide selection of demographics than what people realise. This includes from an economical standpoint.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:40 PM   #4
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

The most significant thing that I see in those results -

Ford Falcon
Fuel use (claimed) 9.9L/100km
Fuel use (on test): 9.97L/100km

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Fuel use (claimed) 8.9L/100km
Fuel use (on test): 9.85L/100km
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:45 PM   #5
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

And if the Ecoboost was tested it would be all over red rover.

If only the Falcon could pinch 500 sales per mth off the commodore...
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:46 PM   #6
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

Don't know what's happening at the moment but anyone who read Cars GUide today in the Sun ..... It read like it was "Today sponsored by FORD" Double page write up on XR6T FG11 (4/5 Stars and very big wrap) ..... another 1/2 page on EcoBoost ..... etc. Last week was a double page spread on EcoBoost (again extremely glowing) and the week before a double page spread on GT-E. Again another huge wrap beating HSV Caprice.



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Old 11-05-2012, 08:49 PM   #7
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I bet that was hard for them to write !!!!!
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:07 PM   #8
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Don't know what's happening at the moment but anyone who read Cars GUide today in the Sun ..... It read like it was "Today sponsored by FORD" Double page write up on XR6T FG11 (4/5 Stars and very big wrap) ..... another 1/2 page on EcoBoost ..... etc. Last week was a double page spread on EcoBoost (again extremely glowing) and the week before a double page spread on GT-E. Again another huge wrap beating HSV Caprice.
Do write ups in carsguide go to auction between Holden & Ford?

Holden mustve forgot their chequebook...
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:11 PM   #9
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I bet that was hard for them to write !!!!!
lol, yes.

Kudos to them for a balanced review though. You won't hear me heap praise on Drive too often I can tell you...
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:37 PM   #10
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

LOL, I'm waiting with glee for the "Bathurst 1000" between Ecoboost and 3.0 SIDI,
Something sure to make even the most staunch Holden fans cringe wince with pain..
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:47 PM   #11
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Default Re: Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

Holden tune cars to make good ADR economy figures for the ADR tests, Ford tune the cars to get good economy in the real world. Has been proven over and over again when the Fords can come close to their ADR figure, while Holdens can't get near it. How do they manage to smudge the figures?

And whats with the Falcon interior comments, that its a decade old. WTF?
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:05 PM   #12
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ahhhh forgive me if im wrong but they say the interior is a decade old but the FG has only been around since '08 witch i presume came with a completely different interior to BA-BF right????
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ahhhh forgive me if im wrong but they say the interior is a decade old but the FG has only been around since '08 witch i presume came with a completely different interior to BA-BF right????
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ahhhh forgive me if im wrong but they say the interior is a decade old but the FG has only been around since '08 witch i presume came with a completely different interior to BA-BF right????
Yes this is what I didnt understand.

I upgraded from a BA into my current FG and the interiors are nothing alike, so I have no idea why he would say the Falcon interior is older than the Commies...

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Old 12-05-2012, 02:17 AM   #15
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...they’re also looking a bit dowdy in terms of design inspiration. The Falcon’s interior has been around for the better part of a decade while the Commodore’s harks back to 2006.
Ummm..... try 2008, moron.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:23 AM   #16
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Don't know what's happening at the moment but anyone who read Cars GUide today in the Sun ..... It read like it was "Today sponsored by FORD" Double page write up on XR6T FG11 (4/5 Stars and very big wrap) ..... another 1/2 page on EcoBoost ..... etc. Last week was a double page spread on EcoBoost (again extremely glowing) and the week before a double page spread on GT-E. Again another huge wrap beating HSV Caprice.
Noticed this myself.

Perhaps they've realised that if Ford closes Broady down, Elizabeth will also probably go under and they can't bear the thought of losing their beloved/worshipped Holden!

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The Ford gains a slightly larger boot space (535 litres versus 496) but a deep, square depression in the centre of the boot floor makes it a difficult space to pack large suitcases or boxes into.
i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:45 PM   #18
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i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.
Same here, stops stuff rolling all round the boot.
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Should have made mention on the amount of oil the VE burned during the test.... Holdens chew through oil something chronic.
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Should have made mention on the amount of oil the VE burned during the test.... Holdens chew through oil something chronic.
is that a fact?? glad you aren't a journo. you'd still be mentioning door handles breaking on falcons.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:47 PM   #21
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i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.
I guess no roadtester ever takes their FG press car to the supermarket and filling up with a weeks shopping otherwise they'd be praising the boot design.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:57 PM   #22
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I guess no roadtester ever takes their FG press car to the supermarket and filling up with a weeks shopping otherwise they'd be praising the boot design.
Absolutely, whenever I'm in a car with a flat boot floor I use the passenger footwells to store shopping etc. The Falcon's boot floor tub is one of the car's most useful features.
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Good to see some positive media attention for FoA for once
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T'was a good accurate article, not because they sided with the Falcon in the end, but because they spoke the truth. Well, for most of the part... except the interior quote of course...
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He was countering the claim Falcons interior has been around for over a decade.

The only thing i can think of that would make them think that, is whilst VE's interior was drastically different to VZ, FG was more of an evolutionary change over BF (which inturn had a revolutionary change between AU and BA)
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The only thing i can think of that would make them think that, is whilst VE's interior was drastically different to VZ, FG was more of an evolutionary change over BF (which inturn had a revolutionary change between AU and BA)
the only thing slightly similar is the seats. door cards, centre console, dash etc is all new to FG.



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VE came out in 2006...

just sayin'
As above, they claim the FG's interior has been around for the better part of a decade, it came out in 2008.
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is that a fact?? glad you aren't a journo. you'd still be mentioning door handles breaking on falcons.

Why not?

They still do..the FG is worse than B series for breaking handles and window switches in my cabs.

Be hard to do a comparison with commodore handles but since there are so few cabs running them...LOL
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Good to see some positive media attention for FoA for once
I don't see this article as positive for the Falcon at all. The article seems to bag out the large car segment, making out that Falcon/Commodore are old dinosaurs that are losing ground to small cars because they are "newer", "younger", "easier to live with" among other things. It likens them to old, retired boxers, "punch-drunk old stagers", at the twilight of their careers, with the final round looming, with the world around them being "vastly more modern".

Why can't they just review the cars without having to make BS comments about the segment and misleading claims about how modern they are. The fact that it says that Falcon's interior is nearly a decade old when it's barely 4 years on the market. And why did they review the fleet packs that nobody buys? Was the review written for fleet managers or private buyers? Why didn't they review the models that people actually buy? XR6, SV6, Calais, G6ET. I think it's a joke. If I didn't know any better, I would have come out of that article thinking that large cars are clearly outclassed by more modern, smaller, "more modern thinking" competitors which is BS.

Typical rubbish from Drive as usual.
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