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Ok I can see our flash boxes being useless then, Capa will want to cash in on this.... I cant see them allowing our tuners to pump in a trans tune without making us buy some new hardware.
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I approached ZF about this last year and there reply was that they only build to ford specs and they could do nothing for me said I would be best of talking with my ford dealer about it. I will dig up the email as I think I still have it and post up |
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ZF's reply:
Hello Mark, Sorry but there are no upgrade softwares for these units, ZF design & manufacture transmissions to the Original Engineering organisation ( Ford in this instance ) to their specific requirements. These transmissions are designed to run in the application they were designed for, as opposed to other manufacturers who make a generic transmission & then modify it to suit a range of applications which then opens the door to further modifications as you are looking to do. Again sorry we cannot be of more assistance but should you require any changes to your vehicle then I would suggest discussing this directly with your dealer. Thanks & Regards Darren Hayward Service Advisor - Transmissions & Steering Commercial Vehicles & Passenger Cars ZF Australia Pacific PTY LTD Sales & Service Organisation 14 Lidco St, Arndell Park NSW Australia 2148 Ph: +61 2 9679-5555 F : +61 2 9679-5500 E : darren.hayward@zf.com.au |
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Holden don't use the ZF..... Their 6 speed is from corvette, 6Lxxx something... So, lets say someone with an edit currently, wants to play with the trans, needs to buy the XCAL2, and use both? Can a new user, purchase XCAL2, an utilise the PCM and TCM capabilities from the one XCAL2? Will the PCM capabilities be the same as the current EDIT? Cheers
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Yes I was aware of that. What I said was the XCAL2 unit is used for the Holden cars, and will also be used to program the ZF. Same unit used for 2 different applications. Quote:
If you want to play with the trans you will more than likely need a XCAL2, plus the dealer software. Cost around $3500 - $4000 I'm guessing.
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xcal 2 $1245 for sale on Capa's website, no dealer software in that price. Our tuners will need the xcal2 to flash in our zf auto tunes, question needs to be asked can they still save our zf auto tune in our current plastic boxes.
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I'm merely speculating, but here goes..... The XCAL2 should be 'backwards' compatible, meaning the current tunes will run in the new box. Basically, the XCAL2 allows the user to make small adjustments to the tune which cannot be done with the current boxes we are using. I could not imagine current Ford Flash tuner users rushing to upgrade to the XCAL2 unit for the sole reason to utilise the ZF programming facility. I have the Datalogger which I use on most cars I tune; cannot imagine the new XCAL2 box will be locked to 1 vehicle. I would expect to treat XCAL2 like the data logger, but with the ability to reflash ZF TCM's on multiple vehicles.
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So reviving the posts about the fluid replacement earlier in this thread...
The consensus is to go for Penrite DX-VI? Correct? I believe Spoolman changed his fluid to this some months ago, is it holding up to your big power Spoolman? Any dramas? And I seem to remember someone posting something about the need to change the pan every second fluid change or something and that there was an alternative to getting the pan from Ford? Part number? Thanks.
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Sorry to be impatient boys... Does the combined brains trust still say that the fluid for the Zf should be Penrite DX-VI?
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I use Castrol TransmaxZ in my ZF and its fine touch wood. I also changed the pan to Steel and a replaceable filter which is not cheap first time around but from then on it’s only $50 a filter as opposed to replace the whole sump.
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Thanks for that. Can the steel pan and filters be sourced from somewhere like Coventrys?
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Yes but they wont miss you even with trade discount. There is a mob in WA called motspec's who do sell genuine and aftermarket ZF .. in welshpool somehwre. "If" you get stuck PM me as i can get them Genuine at cost seeing your in Perth.
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Do either Penrite or Castrol make this fluid for Ford?
If so using that if it is the same would still maintain the warranty even if Ford wanted to whinge they would lose if it is essentially the same fluid in a different container.
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Castrol state Transmax Z BUT only after Warranty period has expired. Castrol also works with FORD Aust and supplies them oil but not for new ZF transmissions as ZF state they must use their oil for full warranty.
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What he said ^^^^^^
Ford/FPV will void your trans warranty if they find the oil in it is not ZF oil. Likewise, best sticking the genuine pan and filter if you want to retain your warranty. If warranty is not a concern do what F6 Tornado has suggested.
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Thanks for all your input guys. Thinking I will do the trans fluid replace along with pan change etc. when I finally make the jump and do the edit/injectors/pump. Car s 18 months old now, 25,000km under its belt but will be 30,000km by the new year. Might then get the 30,000km service out of the way by Ford so any warranty issues can be fixed and then after that it will be time to give Simon a ring I think.
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hi guys, just had quick question, is it true that there are 2 types of ZF autos? 1 set for the XT's, fairmonts and xr6s, and another set for the xr6t's, xr8s, fpvs etc? if so, what are the differences between the two?
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It's possible. ZF make several models with differing torque handling capabilities. The less powerful cars may get a lower model for cost savings. I don't know for sure.
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Correct the one used in the FPV, turbo and territory has a higher H/P rating.
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wat is the difference with the trans to allow for 150Nm more torque rating?? is it more clutch discs andhe rest the same?? |
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I'm thinking the same as you. 30,000km due January. I'm changing the oil/pan etc. and fitting an extra oil cooler as the bloody thing keeps overheating and going to limp mode when "pushed" on a hot day. And before anyone asks ... yes the code readout is "gearbox overheating". |
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Hello,
I am really sorry I don't own one of the cars you guys have. I live in the US and actually would love to own a turbo ford. I have been reading The forum and have gotten lots of good info from it. So altho I know I don't own your car I do own a SVT lightning. Any how I just thought I would share some pics of the ZF valve body and TCU that I took As I own a B6 4.1 Audi S4 and everyone is scared of the transmission. I am looking into doing what ever modifications I can. I was able to modify my last 5hp 19 trans threw the TCU not the data port. We could control when and how hard the car shifted...keep in mind this is a Audi so it is not going to be all that impressive Video for those who care http://videos.streetfire.net/video/...file_152645.htm I have been searching the site for any new info you may have. I saw several of you guys had some help with the building of the trans. Any help you guys could give on both the TCU updates and trans Tq converter stuff would be great. Thanks guys
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