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They come with an adjustable verneir gear stock?
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Hence why i am interested in going from 3.23s to 3.7s in the ute with the auto ... I see more metro driving .... with some highway (80-90km/h) cruising as well ... more than freeways ... so I'd see the benefit in shorter gears.
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How do you know this stuff?
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Well .. if a cam has been degreed to suit driving style or transmission (getting the most power out of the range available) ... then the rocker cover has to at least come off.
Several people have had to have the engine opened ... mainly to get the rocker cover gasket or head gasket replaced ... not to have mods added too. it's hard to put a demarcation point of the term "unopened" when it comes to mods really.
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Obviously changes would have to be made to increase performance from standard. Fixing a leak wouldnt mean your engine is opened.
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im aiming for a 13 in my car when its done. mods will be all thats in my sig, plus im changing valve springs, going for a better tune, and goin to run the crow 2222546.
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No, there is no truth to what he is saying. The only time the rocker cover has been off my car is at JMM's where brenden put a guage on the cam so see what the factory specs were. When he found the cam was exactly where the specs said it should be no adjustment was made and the rocker cover was replaced. Nothing was changed. As to if I will change the cam alignment, you bet I will. As I said, it is high on the list now to see if an adjustment will improve the ET's and I hopefully will get it done over the Xmas break. I have no need to hide it as I am looking forward to seeing if it will make a difference, and if it does, posting it up for othe VCT owners to see. Honestly, if I could get it done tomorrow I would.
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I should clarify that I reckon it's great to get an I6 (especially the heavier AU) into the 13s. I'm just not convinced that it could be used as a daily driver AND on the highway with reasonable fuel consumption etc. ie, it would never really be a family car again. Now for most, this would be fine. But not where the primary purpose of the car is as a family car.
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what is the weight an AU in the owners manual. on the redbook site, there is 4kgs difference between manual ED's and manual AU's. :S
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Wots the big deal man course it can be done if jim mock can get an eb down the quarter in 13.5 na u can do it with an au. Purely and simply money is the answer. I dont think an auto will cut it on the street coz to do a 13 an na 6 will be virtually unstreetable, doesnt mean it cant be done. You would need the same cam as mocky used obviously coz hes the ford 6 man and hes tested everything he sells. He also invested time and effort into the suspension setup. All the power in the world wont help with no traction.A home ported head? why did u go that way in the quest for power, sometimes a money saving exercise costs more than u expect
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i used to drive my 13 second N/A 6 to work everyday... in traffic...
launching and traction comes with experience and technique. i launch at 4000rpm, on shitty cheap 17" tyes... $100 each. mock cheats... nice suspension setup. very unstreetable. no front sway bar, agressive pinion angle, and gay looking height...
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Its all in the set up for the qtr and technique combined. different set up different technique required. As far as cheating goes we can have another unopened debate about streetable too. My technique is to baby the car no burnout lightly stall at 1600rpm and well sure 2.33 60's but I get to drive the car home on the tyres I drive to work with. Sure I am not even getting 14's but what the hell it was still fun. I even beat useless with the reaction time once. |
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i definitely agree with the opened motor... even though from bonnet open to starting the car, the cam install in my car took 26 mins.
no sway bar, and their suspension setup isnt even steet legal. (i am only saying cheating on their suspension setup). If i could be bothered it would be interesting to see what mine would do on a similar setup but i think the main point is, to get out there, have a crack, and walk away with a smile on your dial.
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Interesting debate, all this opened vs unopened but I personally believe that it will be a long time before an UNOPENED N/A AU 6 runs a 13 but an OPENED 13 is just around the corner - and their's no reason why the car can't still be perfectly streetable.
I have said many times before, my car does 500ks a week and has run 14.3 in Exactly the same trim as I drive it every day. My wife can't tell any difference in driving the car now from when it was a 16 sec stocker. Driving the car sedately, you wouldnt even know it wasnt stock apart from the occasional firm shift. The key is in the drivetrain, but even going from 3.9s to 4.11s isn't going to get me into the 13s. I know this is where a cam at minimum will have to come into play and possibly some head work. Thats why my Avatar says "at the crossroads" because I'm not sure which way to go next. As for the knockers who's response to this whole hot 6 debate is "Buy a V8", lots of us have "been there, done that", for others it's "make the best of what you've got" and for some its about bragging rights. All I say is "good luck to whoever does it first!" :Reverend:
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well plenty of us trying as we can all see !!! but the problem is we are all stuck ?? and why are we all stuck because we all know whats worked so far and everybody's doing the same mods but nobody's willing to go that little extra for something new to try.
The first person to try something new will do it !!! why because most of the au i6 technology as revolved from jap 4's. So why arnt we heading down that track to find something new to try on a 6. |
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The majority of JAP 4 cyl technology is forced induction ... and that's what makes them go fast. On the other hand there are a few N/A 4 cyls out there going quick ... what does help them though is they are light enough to do it (and they are usually stripped out to bare shell to do it as well.
Variable valve and cam timing is more aggressive than what is tried and used in the Falcon as well ... Ford's VCT is very tame compared to Honda's VTEC/Mitsu's MIVEC/Toyota's VVTi , etc. From what i have seen ... for a decently quick I6 N/A ... you need to do much more than whatxr8ute mentioned ... and more than just a good cam and head package as well ... the rest of the engine needs work as well to compliment it ... blueprint and balance ... and a fair amount of dollars thrown in as well. It then becomes more of a track car and not a street vehicle.
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We need parts, underdrives, spacers etc etc, like the boss motor mods
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