USA 2020 Election

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

In before the lock.

Those who claim the 2016 election was rigged now state there is NO way the 2020 election could have been rigged.

The drums of war are starting to beat over yonder. It won't end well.

Let's get two different things and claim that they are the same.

In 2016 there was interference by the Russians on the US elections. It was investigated by the GOP lead senate committee who reported on it

WASHINGTON — A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the country’s spy services.

That report can be found here.. or pick your own source for the full report.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...35164/full.pdf

So, it is well accepted in the USA, except for Trump, that the Russians were involved in trying to interfere in the elections. What is disputed is how successful they were.

This election has seen pretty outrageous claims made by team Trump of widespread voter fraud across multiple states by Democrats... without any evidence.

To a person who has a functioning brain, these claims can be seen as the work of someone who cannot accept defeat and would rather burn the house down. Those with a room temperature IQ are fully onboard the trump train and will back him to the hilt.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by cs123

To a person who has a functioning brain, these claims can be seen as the work of someone who cannot accept defeat and would rather burn the house down. Those with a room temperature IQ are fully onboard the trump train and will back him to the hilt.

I think the summation by the panel on last nights Q&A summed Trump exceptionally well

[Trevor 57]

There was real concern last night about Trump's influence post January 2021, Bob Carr referenced Hitler's activity in the 1920's and likend it to Trump's recent behaviour. The division, the blaming of the media, and other notable events

Now, before you all get uppity, he said the 1920's, not the war period, so 10 - 20 years before the war

[Polyal]

Ahh the loyal Trumpster supporters are not happy and going down with the ship and still bleating his tune.

There is no need to lock the thread, just like your loyal leader, stick to the truth and there is nothing to worry about...is there? Unless its inconvenient truth, then thats just fake.

[Trevor 57]

Here is what Turnbull said on QANDA last night as well:

Former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says Donald Trump’s “narcissistic self-interested agenda” has left cracks in the United States wider than ever and of interest to the country’s enemies.

“Trump has set out recklessly and irresponsibly to divide America and to exploit and exacerbate divisions that are existing,” Mr Turnbull said on Q&A on Monday night.

He said during his time as leader, from 2015 to 2018, he set out to unite Australians, reinforce multiculturalism and reject those who tried to peddle racism and division.

Mr Turnbull noted this is what most leaders of democracies try to do, but not Mr Trump.

“He set out to exacerbate those divisions and turn Americans against each other for his own political advantage,” he said.

“And while that may have helped him electorally, it has left America more divided, more fractured, and hence weaker than it has been in years past.”

Mr Turnbull then claimed Mr Trump wasn’t a conservative like many people would think.

“You’ve just got to bear this in mind – Trump is not a conservative. He is not a conservative. Conservatives defend institutions. They are in favour of incremental change. Trump is an authoritarian populist,” he said.

“It is all about him. It’s Trumpism, it’s him.

“He has put his own narcissistic self-interested agenda ahead of everything else. And the big loser has been the United States.

“And the only people that would genuinely get pleasure out of this are America’s enemies.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...3e3c029e3e69d0

[Trevor 57]

mistake

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Venezuela 👍

Ironically what the US will become when the democrats put their socialist policies in place

[Trevor 57]

as I stated previously, it is known that the USA ballot papers have a number of voting options on each individual sheet, one is for the Senate, one is for the President and there can be local police elections etc on the same ballot paper

How come the Trump'ians are calling foul on only the Presidential election, but not on the Senate, which the Republicans are leading - you don't have to be very smart to realise that:
* there was no fraud
* there was fraud and the Republicans are involved as well as the Republicans are leading the amount of seats in the Senate

You can't have it both ways

[Trevor 57]

and conformity to the Right or else!!!! says all the Trumpians

Trev - examples of trump causing division?

are you serious, are you genuinely serious? - The rants about fraud, tampering and anything else that comes out of his mouth in the last week. Back read a few of my posts

I can direct you to an American drag racing forum that has an un-modertated section where the Right rules, you don't dare say anything Left or Middle, you will get attacked, and I mean attacked, verbally, and if they find your address potentially personally as well

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and conformity to the Right or else!!!! says all the Trumpians

are you serious, are you genuinely serious? - The rants about fraud, tampering and anything else that comes out of his mouth in the last week. Back read a few of my posts

I can direct you to an American drag racing forum that has an un-modertated section where the Right rules, you don't dare say anything Left or Middle, you will get attacked, and I mean attacked, verbally, and if they find your address potentially personally as well

I was more meaning over the past four years. After all we are told he is the reason for this division.
I haven’t followed the going ons over the past week regarding this supposed voter fraud. Division driven by leftist identity politics was deeply rooted well before the election and the last week.
It is not confined to the US, or conservative governments. I can pull dozens of examples out of NZ by Jacinda followers and the media that are on her pay roll. Obviously on a milder scale than the states, but leftist intimidation and silencing tactics are still in play.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by smoo

In all honesty I haven’t followed the going ons over the past week regarding this supposed voter fraud. Division driven by leftist identity politics was deeply rooted well before the election and the last week.
I was more meaning over the past four years. After all we are told he is the reason for this division.

well this thread is about the 2020 USA election

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

well this thread is about the 2020 USA election

Which is directly related to the last four years.
And is constantly made reference to be the source of division.

[Trevor 57]

Trump's legal has been to court 4 times since the election and all 4 cases have been thrown out - there is a message here

[Trevor 57]

Have a watch of this from 19:50 mins in particular Bob Carr at 29:00, it is all interesting, from Turnbull to Murdochs man (editor) in The Australian Paul Kelly

https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2020-09-11/12840750

[Bossxr8]

So many blind sheep that follow what the media tells them, without even looking into any of it.

The un-partiality of the msm in recent years is nothing short of a disgrace. Scary even. Communists would be proud.

Say what you want about Trump. He did himself no favours. But the way they have attacked him from day 1 because they hated him so much, and manipulated the narrative was a full on hack job. They hated him because he wasn't one of them, and wouldn't follow their narrative.

I really hope our political system and media don't start implementing the same tactics here.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So many blind sheep that follow what the media tells them, without even looking into any of it.

The un-partiality of the msm in recent years is nothing short of a disgrace. Scary even. Communists would be proud.

Say what you want about Trump. He did himself no favours. But the way they have attacked him from day 1 because they hated him so much, and manipulated the narrative was a full on hack job. They hated him because he wasn't one of them, and wouldn't follow their narrative.

I really hope our political system and media don't start implementing the same tactics here.

Trumpy boy gave the media plenty of reasons for MSM to attack him or is this just fake news!

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So many blind sheep that follow what the media tells them, without even looking into any of it.

The un-partiality of the msm in recent years is nothing short of a disgrace. Scary even. Communists would be proud.

Say what you want about Trump. He did himself no favours. But the way they have attacked him from day 1 because they hated him so much, and manipulated the narrative was a full on hack job. They hated him because he wasn't one of them, and wouldn't follow their narrative.

I really hope our political system and media don't start implementing the same tactics here.

The media do the same tactics here, remember how they attacked the QLD Premier 24/7. I remember it well, always spinning total rubbish and hoping something would stick with the average dolt that has no real understanding of reality.
The Socialist went Sir Joh just like they did with Trump. with an open cheque book they spent millions of tax payers money on a full on witch hunt, just as they have with Trump, they also tried every trick in the book spinning lying games with the election results as well. it's all the same dirty tactics that Socialist like Hitler and the Communist did.

Lets fact it Trump has Won ! the truth will come out with the cunning of the Socialist rat bags game play.

[Trevor 57]

If Trump is the best they had to offer then any wonder they are in a world of ****

Have any of you bothered to look at what most are saying about his personality and where it could potentially lead America in the future

A good leader brings all together for the betterment of the country, Trump did NOT do that, he alienated heaps, from muslims, to mexicans, to blacks, the promoted far right extremists views, he is a 'divider' not a 'bring them together' person

The whole team will always achieve more than a selection of the group

[marty351]

This thread...

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by marty351

This thread...

agreed and over here we have Trev, bleating his pov with support by his mate carr the crook and turn coat turnball (another divisionist no ?) - entertaining and he believes himself because he posted up links of great australians not
Go Trev, you can't get me I'm part of the Union.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FTE217

agreed and over here we have Trev, bleating his pov with support by his mate carr the crook and turn coat turnball (another divisionist no ?) - entertaining and he believes himself because he posted up links of great australians not
Go Trev, you can't get me I'm part of the Union.

quoted for prosperity

Just because you don't agree with Carr or Turnbull doesn't mean their rhetoric is wrong.

Now you are starting to act like an American, you can't disprove my statements so you make a personal slur - well done, you should be proud of yourself and the big Don will be proud of you too and will give you a big thumbs up (on his way out the door), you have joined his rhetoric

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

quoted for prosperity

Just because you don't agree with Carr or Turnbull doesn't mean their rhetoric is wrong.

Now you are starting to act like an American, you can't disprove my statements so you make a personal slur - well done, you should be proud of yourself and the big Don will be proud of you too and will give you a big thumbs up (on his way out the door), you have joined his rhetoric

I have no care you wins power over there or anywhere else for that matter but here, I care when seeing people like you stand on one side of the fence as if there is no wrong doing but the other.
Trump is a goose but thats not to say the other isn't either, whats important is the party or team, blue red black white and its content, most times there is for and against from both sides.
Your just like the media going after an idiot who expose's himself with ease, such a easy target shows the intelliegence at hand or more so the same rhetoric behaviour think about it
By the way, I hardly recall much right from carr/turnball I'll rest there.

[chevypower]

@Trevor 57, did you find the Democrats “uniting” when Hillary called Trump supporters “a basket of deplorables?” Or when Joe Biden said “if you don’t vote for me, you’re not Black?” Did you find the Democrats accepted defeat when they spent 4 years trying to delegitimize the 2016 election? It’s your right to like and hate whoever you want, but if you’re trying to sell a story, at least make it realistic enough to be convincing.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by chevypower

@Trevor 57, did you find the Democrats “uniting” when Hillary called Trump supporters “a basket of deplorables?” Or when Joe Biden said “if you don’t vote for me, you’re not Black?” Did you find the Democrats accepted defeat when they spent 4 years trying to delegitimize the 2016 election? It’s your right to like and hate whoever you want, but if you’re trying to sell a story, at least make it realistic enough to be convincing.

see post above

another FACT, there has been proven to be Russian interference in the 2016 election - what say you now?

Trump has no evidence of anything untoward this election, all he is doing is turning American against American, he is putting down the very establishment that saw him elected in 2016

Bob Carr made a reference to the similarities to Hitler in the 1920's - he played a similar game to what Trump is doing now and that worked out well for him

And answer my question about the ballot papers - why is one result off the ballot paper fraud (against Republicans) but the other result is fine (for Republicans). They use one ballot paper for all voting

[anto]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

see post above

another FACT, there has been proven to be Russian interference in the 2016 election - what say you now?

Trump has no evidence of anything untoward this election, all he is doing is turning American against American, he is putting down the very establishment that saw him elected in 2016

Bob Carr made a reference to the similarities to Hitler in the 1920's - he played a similar game to what Trump is doing now and that worked out well for him

And answer my question about the ballot papers - why is one result off the ballot paper fraud (against Republicans) but the other result is fine (for Republicans). They use one ballot paper for all voting

There has been no evidence of russian collusion...stop making up rubbish . That boat sailed long ago.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by anto

There has been no evidence of russian collusion...stop making up rubbish . That boat sailed long ago.

He didn’t say Collusion, read it again (there’s a difference).

[cs123]

Originally Posted by chevypower

@Trevor 57, did you find the Democrats “uniting” when Hillary called Trump supporters “a basket of deplorables?” Or when Joe Biden said “if you don’t vote for me, you’re not Black?” Did you find the Democrats accepted defeat when they spent 4 years trying to delegitimize the 2016 election? It’s your right to like and hate whoever you want, but if you’re trying to sell a story, at least make it realistic enough to be convincing.

Let's put the whole quote in there for context.

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

The next day, she expressed regret for "saying half", while insisting that Trump had deplorably amplified "hateful views and voices".

So she walked that statement back the next day.

I'm by no means a fan of Clinton.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by cs123

Let's put the whole quote in there for context.







So she walked that statement back the next day.

I'm by no means a fan of Clinton.

me either, in fact both sides are **** at putting up reasonable candidates. The Republicans hated Trump until it was obvious he might just win in 2016. The Clintons are as dodgy as ****

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

me either, in fact both sides are **** at putting up reasonable candidates. The Republicans hated Trump until it was obvious he might just win in 2016. The Clintons are as dodgy as ****

That’s the way the media might have made it seem. Sure, some establishment GOP politicians were that way, but Trump gathered support from independents and what are now called “Classic Liberals” and libertarians during the primaries, and gained momentum without the traditional conservatives. Originally I was for Marco Rubio, though I wasn’t against Trump. I thought the GOP was lucky to have many great candidates. The media would have knocked anyone who wasn’t a Democrat, and they did. They even criticized Dr. Ben Carson. The guy is a freaking squeaky clean genius, but they still had to tear into him. Where was all the “anti racism” rhetoric then? People like Glenn Beck and Ben Shapiro didn’t support Trump until after the 2016 election. As the Democrat party shifted further left and became more in support of socialism, classic liberals shifted toward the Republican Party. It sucks having to call them Classic liberals, because leftists have nothing to do with true liberalism, though they have hijacked the label.

[chevypower]

@anto, he subtly distinguished it from “Russian collusion” by using the new term “Russian interference.” The only minor difference is the latter doesn’t implicate Trump’s involvement in any conspiracy. Now they only have to prove that someone In Russia had an opinion, and it’s all Trump’s fault. Meanwhile, Twitter and Facebook and pretty much all of corporate media are allowed to suppress stories about Hunter Biden and kickbacks to his father, even with receipts and the testimonies of the computer store and Hunter’s ex business partner. Nope, nothing to see there folks. Reality is whatever the media tells us it is.