Home Theatre systems - Page 6

graphicgoose · 05-02-2015, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jimt3te50

Getting paid to drink Coronas and eat KFC and sell the odd tv when someone disturbs you!

Yeah, good crew those guys- I've even been to a couple of their Christmas Parties! lol

Hahaha yep, that pretty much sums it up! I was a pretty average salesman though. Yeah they're a good bunch of guys, I never made it to one of their parties though...they sound pretty rowdy haha.

jimt3te50 · 06-02-2015, 03:34 AM

This is the family setup- what we use everything bar the epics for. As I've said before I know there's haters on the Bose gear, but it has it's place. This is precisely where it's perfect IMO. Everything we watch is in 5.1, there's one remote and the wife likes that there isn't towers sitting in the middle of the room. It sounds great for what it is too- certainly better than inbuilt tv speakers!

In a couple of the other photos you can see the Sonos system throughout. I love this stuff! Bowers and Wilkins speakers in ceiling (note there's four) and a cheeky Sonos sub hiding in the corner. It is AWESOME. I also have another four B&W in ceilings and another Sonos sub in the Alfresco area. We run a second Panasonic 39" TV out there too, with audio line ins on the Sonos zone players which mean I can even sit in the Alfresco and play Call of Duty on the PS4 that's inside whilst listening to it through the speakers and sub! Love this stuff!

blueoval · 06-02-2015, 11:02 AM

Nice of you to pause the best part of True Lies for us Jim.

graphicgoose · 09-02-2015, 06:54 PM

Sony 65" KD65X8500B UHD 4K 3D LED LCD TV will be joining my theatre setup Thursday night

Managed to secure one of the last units available in Perth, most other shops are waiting 2-4 weeks for their next orders.

Retail is $3,699 on them (they're generally listed around the $3,300 online at GG/HN etc) and I'm picking it up for $2,942 or less. JB Hifi said they'd honour the lowest price I'd gotten quoted by another store...I asked if they'd beat it so he said as long as I bring in the written quote by the other store...so not sure on the final price but will be at LEAST $2,942 or better. Which I don't think is too bad at all.

I'm a bit gutted I missed out on a deal VideoPro online were running for their Boxing Day sales for $2,589...but then I didn't know about it until now, given I wasn't looking. Oh well, still reckon I've got a decent deal. Either way, it's a bit of a step up from my current 37" screen haha

blueoval · 09-02-2015, 07:19 PM

Nice job Graphicgoose. Getting a 4K TV is hard to get under $4k let alone $3k. I love my Sony TV. Just a superb unit all round. That's not a bad deal at all. I paid $3k for my 70" (non 4K) brand new delivered to my door a year ago due a connection I have. So to get that sort of deal direct out of the showroom isnt bad mate. They are a killer unit.

rednose · 09-02-2015, 09:25 PM

Yep, Sony 70" (non 4K) has an awesome picture quality, 4K would be better again.

$2500 is what I paid with an extra 2 year warranty.

I paid $3300 for my 40" Bravia about 7 yrs ago.

TV's are pretty cheap these days considering the sizes they come in.

graphicgoose · 10-02-2015, 12:03 AM

Yeah, unfortunately Sony aren't selling the 70" version of the one I'm getting anymore. Still, 65" should be big enough

rednose · 10-02-2015, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Yeah, unfortunately Sony aren't selling the 70" version of the one I'm getting anymore. Still, 65" should be big enough

Not for long, kinda wish I went 80"

Seriously

graphicgoose · 10-02-2015, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rednose

Not for long, kinda wish I went 80"

Seriously

Hahaha always the way! Oh well, $3k was the most I really wanted to spend on a tv...so it'll to. Massive upgrade from my current tv though!

jimt3te50 · 10-02-2015, 02:38 AM

Nice pick up Goose! That'll be a nice upgrade to the theatre!

I'm going in to pick up my gear from west coast tomorrow, ended up ordering a Thor PS10 power conditioner too. Everything else is in bar the Audioquest cables and waiting on release of the Denon avrx7200 next month- I've got the first one they get!

By the time it gets here I should have everything ready to go and all of the .4 elements of the Atmos setup installed. Just watched 300 rise of an empire in 3D in the theatre and despite not being a great movie, was pretty bloody cool! Haven't been able to top Avatar and Tron for 3D goodness outside of the animated movies that really exploit the format.

graphicgoose · 10-02-2015, 03:01 AM

Cheers man, I'm looking forward to it. If it was my own house I'd have a projector in the theatre room...but given it's a rental it kinda has to be a tv.

I need to come check out your system once it's all together man!

jimt3te50 · 10-02-2015, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by graphicgoose

Cheers man, I'm looking forward to it. If it was my own house I'd have a projector in the theatre room...but given it's a rental it kinda has to be a tv.

I need to come check out your system once it's all together man!

Well you've got some great gear in their mate, I reckon it'll sound and look awesome! Like I said, I absolutely loved and miss my Focal Chorus 700's, they were sweet speakers. And so versatile- great for movies but handled music so well.

Hopefully the rest of the system should be up and running over the next 4-6 weeks and like I said earlier, probably the part I'm excited about the most is getting those monoblocks hooked up and giving those Neuphonix hell! You're welcome to come around for a look man, no problem! I'll even buy you a drink!

Sox · 10-02-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

OK, got a Q for the Audiophiles.

In the early days we were told base does not have direction, and that is why it is OK to have one subwoofer (BTW I disagree with this premise, and always have).
But now there are 5.2 and 7.2 systems with two subwoofers.

In such a system, are the two subwoofers processing the left sub 50hz, and right sub 50hz, or do they both have the same signal ?

Very deep bass doesn't have direction, and it is most certainly ok to have just one subwoofer.

99% (perhaps more) of our recordings have mono sub bass, therefore can faithfully be reproduced by a single mono sub.
All vinyl has mono sub bass.

Where multiple subs may be handy is simply due to room size, packaging and evening out room modes.

It's not a given though, that 2 subs will outperform 1 sub, unless the single sub is way to small for the given room and SPL required.
I would always prefer 1 high quality sub in favour of 2 poor quality subs.

It's preferable and cheaper to throw some bass traps in a room, than to purchase a second sub.

graphicgoose · 10-02-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jimt3te50

Well you've got some great gear in their mate, I reckon it'll sound and look awesome! Like I said, I absolutely loved and miss my Focal Chorus 700's, they were sweet speakers. And so versatile- great for movies but handled music so well.

Hopefully the rest of the system should be up and running over the next 4-6 weeks and like I said earlier, probably the part I'm excited about the most is getting those monoblocks hooked up and giving those Neuphonix hell! You're welcome to come around for a look man, no problem! I'll even buy you a drink!

Thanks mate! I've always been super happy with my Chorus 700 gear...only thing I'd like would be a beefier sub, but other than that it's a fantastic setup. As you say, it's versatile and sounds good for both movies and music

Sweet as dude, you'll have to let me know once it's all done. Could kill 3 birds with 1 stone; theatre system, XY, modded and pumped FG

EgoFG · 10-02-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox

Very deep bass doesn't have direction, and it is most certainly ok to have just one subwoofer.

99% (perhaps more) of our recordings have mono sub bass, therefore can faithfully be reproduced by a single mono sub.
All vinyl has mono sub bass.

Where multiple subs may be handy is simply due to room size, packaging and evening out room modes.

It's not a given though, that 2 subs will outperform 1 sub, unless the single sub is way to small for the given room and SPL required.
I would always prefer 1 high quality sub in favour of 2 poor quality subs.

It's preferable and cheaper to throw some bass traps in a room, than to purchase a second sub.

You see, I have a problem with the premise that very deep base does not have direction - this statement needs a qualifier.

If there was a subwoofer in Bathurst and I slowly walked from Lithgow to Orange, there would be time I hear it, and it gets louder, and it fades.

If I was in a room with two Cellos hitting their lowest notes, but not in synch, could I not tell the difference ?

Sorry, in some arenas this is like a religious difference.
Some say that the directionality comes from higher frequencies that are a necessary part of the music (the wrist slap, the plectrum)

But I would offer reasons why this is not an adequate analysis.
1) no crossover is perfect, so when listening to music the left and right sub base would have a different signal.
2) if a recording was made at sub base with left and right given exactly the same frequency, in a perfect sign wave, but out of phase with each other, single subwoofer would sum to zero and make no sound, stereo subwoofers would make a sound.
3) there would be an almost immeasurable difference in sound traveling to two microphones (left and right) that pick up base (due to the fact that sound takes time to travel), and while the sound itself may no have direction, these timing differences give ambiance.

In a Home theatre designed for Video, the Sub woofer gets just the LFE channel, not the sub base from left and right - it will be quiet during CD music playback. - so you could argue that I want 3 sub woofers, Left, right and LFE ;-)

Sorry, the above is actually off topic, back to my question.

when a system specifies 5.2 or 7.2 do the subwoofer channels have different signals, or is it simply a provision for a second subwoofer to fill the "holes" per sox above ?
(I have researched the ONKYO system I was interested in, to find that these will always have the exact same signal

Sox · 10-02-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

You see, I have a problem with the premise that very deep base does not have direction - this statement needs a qualifier.

If there was a subwoofer in Bathurst and I slowly walked from Lithgow to Orange, there would be time I hear it, and it gets louder, and it fades.

That's just SPL decreasing with distance.
Spin you around 5 times with your eyes closed, aside from being dizzy you will not be able to detect the direction of the sound.

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If I was in a room with two Cellos hitting their lowest notes, but not in synch, could I not tell the difference ?

You could easily tell the difference, however that's due to the harmonics of the cello, not the sub bass frequencies.

We're not discussing localisation of the bass notes from instruments, rather the sub frequencies of subwoofers.
Quite a different thing.

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Sorry, in some arenas this is like a religious difference.

Not with the people who know.

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Some say that the directionality comes from higher frequencies that are a necessary part of the music (the wrist slap, the plectrum)

This is correct, and why many subwoofers can be localised.
A crossover frequency which is too high, harmonics, distortion, overdriving, etc.

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But I would offer reasons why this is not an adequate analysis.
1) no crossover is perfect, so when listening to music the left and right sub base would have a different signal.

Doesn't really matter, so long as both are reproducing frequencies below the threshold of localisation.
Besides, crossovers whilst not perfect, are certainly close enough to not show any significant (audible) differences anyhow.

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2) if a recording was made at sub base with left and right given exactly the same frequency, in a perfect sign wave, but out of phase with each other, single subwoofer would sum to zero and make no sound, stereo subwoofers would make a sound.

Luckily this doesn't happen in practise. What would be the point?
Sub bass is about the feeling - directional cues come from higher frequencies.

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3) there would be an almost immeasurable difference in sound traveling to two microphones (left and right) that pick up base (due to the fact that sound takes time to travel), and while the sound itself may no have direction, these timing differences give ambiance.

The sub frequencies don't, only higher frequencies.
Bass instruments can only be localised because of the upper harmonics.

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In a Home theatre designed for Video, the Sub woofer gets just the LFE channel, not the sub base from left and right - it will be quiet during CD music playback. - so you could argue that I want 3 sub woofers, Left, right and LFE ;-)

All AVR's have settings which allow the sub to be used under any playback condition.

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Sorry, the above is actually off topic, back to my question.

It's audio, it's on topic...

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when a system specifies 5.2 or 7.2 do the subwoofer channels have different signals, or is it simply a provision for a second subwoofer to fill the "holes" per sox above ?
(I have researched the ONKYO system I was interested in, to find that these will always have the exact same signal

Exactly.

There's nothing wrong with using multiple subs, however the reasons are different to what a lot of people think.

rednose · 10-02-2015, 02:35 PM

Sox, do you calibrate AV systems???

Sox · 10-02-2015, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rednose

Sox, do you calibrate AV systems???

I can do the audio, but not video.
Having said that, it's not something which is my main focus, as I'm mainly in the manufacturing side of things.

**Polyal** · 10-02-2015, 02:39 PM

OK so I feel a bit bad asking this when people here have systems worth more than my car..LOL...but...

I am just after an entry level receiver with at least 3x HDMI inputs, is something like this ok or not worth the effort?

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/tv-home-en...eceiver/71665/

Against say something like this...

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/tv-bl...-receiver.html

What are the basic specs I should be looking at. Please keep in mind that I currently only have sound out of the TV so anything is going to be an improvement. Looking at plugging in my TV, PS and a Computer.

rednose · 10-02-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox

I can do the audio, but not video.
Having said that, it's not something which is my main focus, as I'm mainly in the manufacturing side of things.

pm incoming

Sox · 10-02-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

OK so I feel a bit bad asking this when people here have systems worth more than my car..LOL...but...

I am just after an entry level receiver with at least 3x HDMI inputs, is something like this ok or not worth the effort?

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/tv-home-en...eceiver/71665/

Against say something like this...

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/tv-bl...-receiver.html

What are the basic specs I should be looking at. Please keep in mind that I currently only have sound out of the TV so anything is going to be an improvement. Looking at plugging in my TV, PS and a Computer.

I'm not really into either of those brands, however the Yamaha should be miles ahead.
I would avoid the Sherwood if you want something approaching even mild quality.

As for basic specs, just go with something that does the job in your situation as it's a price point where real quality doesn't exist. So purchase on features, but avoid the crappy brands.

rednose · 10-02-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

OK so I feel a bit bad asking this when people here have systems worth more than my car..LOL...but...

I am just after an entry level receiver with at least 3x HDMI inputs, is something like this ok or not worth the effort?

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/tv-home-en...eceiver/71665/

Against say something like this...

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/tv-bl...-receiver.html

What are the basic specs I should be looking at. Please keep in mind that I currently only have sound out of the TV so anything is going to be an improvement. Looking at plugging in my TV, PS and a Computer.

Maybe better off going with a sonos system, I think JB have them as well.

Alternatively look at second hand gear as you can sometimes get really good gear for a 1/4 of what they were new

**Polyal** · 10-02-2015, 02:55 PM

These things reliable? Id be ****ed dropping some cash on something second hand to chase a slightly better sound with no warranty.

rednose · 10-02-2015, 02:58 PM

Best thing to do is join a forum like AV Forum Australia or StereoNet.

Most guys on there are safe to buy from.

Always a risk buying second hand but in most cases the products are in very good condition.

**Polyal** · 10-02-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rednose

Best thing to do is join a forum like AV Forum Australia or StereoNet.

Most guys on there are safe to buy from.

Always a risk buying second hand but in most cases the products are in very good condition.

Great thanks...

So something like this then?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/anner...ver/1069461962

#tightbum

rednose · 10-02-2015, 03:15 PM

If you can get a demo and you are happy with it then go for it.

blueoval · 10-02-2015, 03:30 PM

Polyal - I have a Yamaha receiver/amp and it has 5 HDMI outputs, 7.2ch. Its the RX-V675 model. At the time it cost me about $700RRP. Probably cheaper now, but it does all I need it to do in my Home Theatre. Has ability to stream music from your phone as well as other cool features.

http://www.whathifi.com/yamaha/rx-v675/review

Sox · 10-02-2015, 03:40 PM

Both respectable brands, though at the low end of the food chain.

For the $$ pretty hard to beat though and leaps and bounds ahead of TV sound.

That kind of thing would make a lot of sense at your budget.

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Great thanks...

So something like this then?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/anner...ver/1069461962

#tightbum

graphicgoose · 13-02-2015, 01:38 AM

New t.v. and cabinet added to the theatre today

jimt3te50 · 13-02-2015, 03:01 AM

Nice man!!