Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 47

Franco Cozzo · 05-03-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jstanovic

I believe that many people think that “boring” jobs don’t need to be taken seriously, thereby attracting less initiative-inclined people, and so the spiral continues.

Just demand and supply doing its thing.

That's like our accounts team, I've had to baby 6 of them who've come and gone over the past 3 years I've been with this company.

They contact me 6 months after having issues getting payment out of a customer, then say that they won't answer the phone and they don't have updated contact details.

Looked at the delivery address and business name, quick Google and got them the new phone number.

The fact they didn't even have the initiative to search first before stopping and interrupting me over something so basic shows you can have all the university degrees in the world but have no initiative.

It's like they operate on yes/no flowcharts and if they hit a no the next action is ask Franco

XByoot · 05-03-2020, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Looked at the delivery address and business name, quick Google and got them the new phone number.

The fact they didn't even have the initiative to search first before stopping and interrupting me over something so basic shows you can have all the university degrees in the world but have no initiative.

It's like they operate on yes/no flowcharts and if they hit a no the next action is ask Franco

Sounds like you have the same HR “talent acquisition” process as we do! We have a saying “you can’t fix stupid” .
So many of these people don’t give a single squirt of rats urine about the actual job, they just perform a process, yet the same ones complain their job is not satisfying. Here’s a news flash, use your brains , think outside the square and make it a learning experience for future skill sets that may serve you very well in the future .

jstanovic · 05-03-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GCRXR6

Yeah, you're a hypocrite.
Your attitude to others is rotten. Not all, in fact very few are like the evil lazy nitwits that you complain about. Try something radical, and treat others with some respect and humanity. No one, but the desperate would really want to work for you, with that attitude.

Is that what you got from my posts?
If someone worked with you for a month and they still didn’t show any initiative after being by shown and then instructed many times, would you keep them on? I’m not a charity, 1 month is plenty long enough to see if someone is worth putting effort into or not.

jstanovic · 05-03-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

I assume these lazy workers you get to help you do the physical tasks you cant do are fully covered by Workcover in case they become injured doing what you cant or are you like many sole traders and just have private accident insurance to cover yourself?

$275 a day with ABN, lucky to be onsite 8hrs and maybe 4-5hrs hard work, I even pick one of them up as he doesn’t have a licence. One has their own insurance, not sure about the others. Funnily enough she is the one I would hire haha!!!

roKWiz · 05-03-2020, 12:00 PM

Sorry if this has been posted before but I've only just watched it.
A reason for GM to keep Holden (and Pontiac) alive.

How to register an illegal Holden Ute in the US.

https://youtu.be/hjTOEX-qJB8

Vekgib · 06-03-2020, 08:22 AM

I'm not sure what the last two posts have to do with whether the Holden brand will survive.....

**PG2** · 06-03-2020, 10:30 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, if you wanna have a go at BENT_8 over his work vehicle then I suggest you start a thread dedicated to that.

vztrt · 07-03-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It was the straw that broke the camels back. Holden had a plan but needed the investment. The goading by the libs just showed them they couldn't care less about keeping Holden manufacturing here, and led to GM making the decision to stop Commodore production.

It wasn't the sole reason, but it contributed to it.

I guess the question is would they have stayed post this RHD pullout?
Saying that if the Commodore (Aussie one) had stayed on there would be one in my driveway to replace the Falcon.

jpd80 · 07-03-2020, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I guess the question is would they have stayed post this RHD pullout?
Saying that if the Commodore (Aussie one) had stayed on there would be one in my driveway to replace the Falcon.

It should be obvious that regardless of what happened locally, GM was destined to pull out of Australia.
Holden not following buyers with locally produced SUVs pretty much sealed their fate.
Instead of a Statesman, it needed a zeta based "Territory", not embracing that years ago
is what really sealed Holden's fate. The inability to transition buyers to at least one vehicle.

vztrt · 07-03-2020, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

It should be obvious that regardless of what happened locally, GM was destined to pull out of Australia.
Holden not following buyers with locally produced SUVs pretty much sealed their fate.
Instead of a Statesman, it needed a zeta based "Territory", not embracing that years ago
is what really sealed Holden's fate. The inability to transition buyers to at least one vehicle.

GM went with the adventurer instead. Considering they could do no wrong after the VT release it was probably a cheaper option to develop. It wasn't like Ford gave Australia their blessings with the Terri. But it kept production going.

Bossxr8 · 07-03-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

I guess the question is would they have stayed post this RHD pullout?
Saying that if the Commodore (Aussie one) had stayed on there would be one in my driveway to replace the Falcon.

Without the other countries sales, i’d say it was probably doomed no matter what. It was really the loss of europe, sth africa and india that drove the nails into the coffin. The massive drop off of holden sales was just the final one.

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Originally Posted by jpd80

It should be obvious that regardless of what happened locally, GM was destined to pull out of Australia.
Holden not following buyers with locally produced SUVs pretty much sealed their fate.
Instead of a Statesman, it needed a zeta based "Territory", not embracing that years ago
is what really sealed Holden's fate. The inability to transition buyers to at least one vehicle.

Pretty sure their plan was to build a commodore based suv. They dubbed it nullabor. Pretty sure they already had design work done on it.

Struggo · 07-03-2020, 03:29 PM

The GFC and the subsequent rape of Holden by the newly formed GM sealed it's fate. ☹️

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/holdens-lost-heroes

jpd80 · 07-03-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Without the other countries sales, i’d say it was probably doomed no matter what. It was really the loss of europe, sth africa and india that drove the nails into the coffin. The massive drop off of holden sales was just the final one.

Pretty sure their plan was to build a commodore based suv. They dubbed it nullabor. Pretty sure they already had design work done on it.

Zeta was engineered to cover an SUV up to 120" wheelbase - most likely the Chevy Traverse.
So leading from that perhaps survival was SWB and LWB SUVs along with Commodore?

MITCHAY · 12-03-2020, 10:03 PM

Holden dealers have lawyer'd up on compensation from GM. Go hard and I hope they can give GM a big kick in the balls.

We can all argue that is was over from 2017 but that was not the public position from GM or even privately.

I don't know the specifics of the deals but from some reports it looks like this was dropped cold on dealers when this decision was actually months in the making.

Eurotrash · 12-03-2020, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Holden dealers have lawyer'd up on compensation from GM. Go hard and I hope they can give GM a big kick in the balls.

We can all argue that is was over from 2017 but that was not the public position from GM or even privately.

I don't know the specifics of the deals but from some reports it looks like this was dropped cold on dealers when this decision was actually months in the making.

Plus, it seems like GM made it clear that some dealers weren't allowed to take on other brands, which ultimately has hurt these dealers. This type of decision and along with making dealers upgrade their showrooms 12-24 months out from making the announcement to leave, I think, has put GM in a weaker position.

Yellow_Festiva · 13-03-2020, 09:53 AM

It looks like a Vietnamese Auto maker wants to take over the facilities??

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Wretched · 13-03-2020, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

It looks like a Vietnamese Auto maker wants to take over the facilities??

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Could be the same one that got some good R&D data last year from Toyota and Honda - not via an approved method either.

Hardtopxb · 13-03-2020, 01:08 PM

NUP. It's history.

XR6Runner · 13-03-2020, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggo

The GFC and the subsequent rape of Holden by the newly formed GM sealed it's fate. ☹️

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/holdens-lost-heroes

That actually looks fantastic!!

minheim · 13-03-2020, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

It looks like a Vietnamese Auto maker wants to take over the facilities??

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At best they might pick up some design/engineers but otherwise the only facility that they could look at would be the testing track as I suspect the manufacturing plant would have been stripped.

Sioso · 13-03-2020, 08:16 PM

Why couldn't they start selling these, I'd buy one for sure:

https://jalopnik.com/chevy-is-puttin...van-1842213938

vztrt · 13-03-2020, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

It looks like a Vietnamese Auto maker wants to take over the facilities??

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Vin fast been setting up next door for the last 6 months. It'll be R&D like Ford is. Already poaching people from suppliers and Ford. Also heard a few of the Holden people went over.

**GasoLane** · 13-03-2020, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Vin fast been setting up next door for the last 6 months. It'll be R&D like Ford is. Already poaching people from suppliers and Ford. Also heard a few of the Holden people went over.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...-maker-114971/

csv8 · 13-03-2020, 10:41 PM

The Adelaide Holden dealer building a new $3m showroom is taking on VW/SEAT. SEAT must be coming back ?

Eurotrash · 13-03-2020, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

The Adelaide Holden dealer building a new $3m showroom is taking on VW/SEAT. SEAT must be coming back ?

SEAT?? You sure? SEAT is present in New Zealand, but nothing has been announced for Australia. Maybe it's Skoda?

Which Holden dealer? City Holden at Mile End? They were building their new 6.5million dollar showroom before the announcement.

csv8 · 14-03-2020, 10:12 AM

Eurotrash. It is City Holden. I got the cost wrong
I cannt find the article. But they said "VW/SEAT will be in the showroom." Its annoying you read something and then cannt find it !

Eurotrash · 14-03-2020, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Eurotrash. It is City Holden. I got the cost wrong
I cannt find the article. But they said "VW/SEAT will be in the showroom." Its annoying you read something and then cannt find it !

I knew they were on the lookout for another brand and they do have "City LDV' and are currently sharing the same showroom with 'City Holden'.

I know a guy I could ask, if it is true that they're picking up a Volkswagen franchise. Still not sure about SEAT though, that one doesn't seem to be correct. Volkswagen has said for years SEAT wouldn't be making a return to Australia and instead they would concentrate on Volkswagen and Skoda. If they do bring SEAT back, then they've kept that announcement quiet.

Solitaire already have two city Volkswagen dealerships here in Adelaide, suburbs of Medindie and Hawthorn and there is Southern Volkswagen down at Reynella, so a fourth city dealership seems a bit much, unless Solitaire are closing down one of their sites?

GCRXR6 · 14-03-2020, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sioso

Why couldn't they start selling these, I'd buy one for sure:

https://jalopnik.com/chevy-is-puttin...van-1842213938

BA Baracus would have one. Black with red alloys?

davenl5l · 15-03-2020, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurotrash

I knew they were on the lookout for another brand and they do have "City LDV' and are currently sharing the same showroom with 'City Holden'.

I know a guy I could ask, if it is true that they're picking up a Volkswagen franchise. Still not sure about SEAT though, that one doesn't seem to be correct. Volkswagen has said for years SEAT wouldn't be making a return to Australia and instead they would concentrate on Volkswagen and Skoda. If they do bring SEAT back, then they've kept that announcement quiet.

Solitaire already have two city Volkswagen dealerships here in Adelaide, suburbs of Medindie and Hawthorn and there is Southern Volkswagen down at Reynella, so a fourth city dealership seems a bit much, unless Solitaire are closing down one of their sites?

Solitair's vw workshop is over the road i can't see that happening plus city holdens workshop is a s***y tin shed down the road not a good image

Dr Terry · 15-03-2020, 09:53 AM

I doubt very much that VAG would re-introduce the SEAT brand in Aust. while we are in a declining new car market.

We have seen the demise of over 10 new car brands since 2000, Holden being the latest , with Dodge & Infiniti only last year & there are rumours of others. The SEAT thing would be a pipe dream.

Dr Terry