December 2018 vFacts

[Syndrome]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/714901/...it-the-brakes/


Ford and Holden total sales for a calendar year was last this low back in the 1960s (what makes this news worse is Australia's population back than was half of what it is now):


https://www.caradvice.com.au/714898/...s-since-1960s/

[simon varley]

but total sales never been higher. Now that cars are more affordable most people just want cheap disposable white goods. It's no longer an investment, or even particularly hard to raise the finance these days. Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by simon varley

but total sales never been higher. Now that cars are more affordable most people just want cheap disposable white goods. It's no longer an investment, or even particularly hard to raise the finance these days. Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

Yet Toyota sells the most and at a premium.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Yet Toyota sells the most and at a premium.

They do have huge fleet deals though. They dominate that.

[outback_ute]

I'm sure Holden would have sold more than 58k in 1961, they were making about 120-130k cars per year then. There were some exports, but not that many surely!

[jpd80]

Ranking.....Make/Model.............Sales
1..............Toyota HiLux ...........51,705
2..............Ford Ranger.............42,144
3..............Toyota Corolla..........35,320
4..............Mazda 3...................31,065
5..............Hyundai i30..............28,188
6..............Mazda CX-5..............26,173
7..............Mitsubishi Triton........24,896
8..............Toyota RAV4.............22,165
9..............Nissan X-Trail............21,192
10............Mitsubishi ASX...........19,950

the top 10 vehicles accounted for 302,798 sales

By deduction December sales of
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

By deduction December sales of
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

Combined total?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by simon varley

Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

To be fair to hyundai, they aren't cheap crap any more. While current Ford passenger cars and suv's are quality products, the Koreans have come a long way and their products these days are right up there.

I know there are many that still think performance is an important criteria, but in the real world where vehicles are transport, the Koreans etc are offering products that tick all the boxes.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Combined total?

Yes.

Ranger again shadowing Hilux by about 500 sales, pretty typical.

[Sprint XR8]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

I'm sure Holden would have sold more than 58k in 1961, they were making about 120-130k cars per year then. There were some exports, but not that many surely!

Holden sold 112,680 in 1961 including exports.

I haven't found 1961's export numbers yet. But in 1960 Holden exported 10,672 and in 1964 13,693 exports were a record number at the time.

Holden sold at least 100k in Aus in 1961.

I think Dowling has only looked at Holden's passenger car figures for 1961 and missed the light commercial (ute) numbers.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by simon varley

but total sales never been higher. Now that cars are more affordable most people just want cheap disposable white goods. It's no longer an investment, or even particularly hard to raise the finance these days. Ford and Holden simply can't seem to offer anything in that market place that competes with the Hyundais, Kias and Chinese crap.

Disagree.

I want my whitegoods to work, be reliable and last for a long time.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Disagree.

I want my whitegoods to work, be reliable and last for a long time.

Yeah...so......that’s why no ones buying Holdens or Fords.

[Sprintey]

Pretty much. In terms of perception, Toyota is the most reliable whitegood (we all know that's debatable) and the Koreans are armed with great warranty and reasonable longevity. At a price point.

[jpd80]

Makes me wonder whether the next great wave of low cost vehicles will be the Chinese..

I saw a JMC crew cab ute the other day that looked suspiciously like a previous Gen Ranger/BT50.

[danzvtil]

Holy crap, Toyota moves to a 5 yr warranty
https://www.caradvice.com.au/714906/...rending&slot=0

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Holy crap, Toyota moves to a 5 yr warranty
https://www.caradvice.com.au/714906/...rending&slot=0

Is that all..

[hackney]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Holy crap, Toyota moves to a 5 yr warranty
https://www.caradvice.com.au/714906/...rending&slot=0

“Oh What a Feeling”!

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Yes.

Ranger again shadowing Hilux by about 500 sales, pretty typical.

Shadowing by 500 sales? How do you work that out? Hilux finished the year with 51,000 odd sales to Ranger 42,000 odd sales,I would say that is a pretty convincing win for Toyota.Even in the 4x4 segment they sold more than Ranger.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

Shadowing by 500 sales? How do you work that out? Hilux finished the year with 51,000 odd sales to Ranger 42,000 odd sales,I would say that is a pretty convincing win for Toyota.Even in the 4x4 segment they sold more than Ranger.

1.
I was talking about December's sales figures that Bent 8 responded to , not the annual totals.
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

2
Up to November, 4x4 Ranger sales trailed 4x4 Hilux sales by less than 2,000 sales,
the big difference is 4x2 sales, Hilux streaks away thanks to petrol tradie utes.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Makes me wonder whether the next great wave of low cost vehicles will be the Chinese..

I saw a JMC crew cab ute the other day that looked suspiciously like a previous Gen Ranger/BT50.

I bought one of these nearly 2 years ago, & am quite happy with It..

http://fotonmotor.com.au/Utes/Utes

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They do have huge fleet deals though. They dominate that.

And rangers are all private sales?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

1.
I was talking about December's sales figures that Bent 8 responded to , not the annual totals.
Ranger....3,365
Hilux.......3,871

2
Up to November, 4x4 Ranger sales trailed 4x4 Hilux sales by less than 2,000 sales,
the big difference is 4x2 sales, Hilux streaks away thanks to petrol tradie utes.

Maybe so,but Ranger is way behind in total sales.(@ the end of the day that is what counts.)Ranger did more 4x4 sales in 2017,but Hilux is king again in this segment by 1,681 this year. And if anybody thinks that this DPF issue is going to hurt them,think again.They will still do runaway sales figures.If Ranger had this issue,Ford would be in damage mode big time.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by vztrt

And rangers are all private sales?

Certainly not.One energy company I know of has nearly all Rangers,with the odd Hi-lux.Cheers

[nstg8a]

2wd hilux continues to be popular with couriers too, I see way more Chinese Utes and vans coming through work than I do Rangers.
In fact, I reckon there still more Falcons being used than Rangers. At least coming through my work anyway.

Ldv vans must be selling well, it's either them or hiaces with the odd euro van. Yet to see a single transit.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

Maybe so,but Ranger is way behind in total sales.(@ the end of the day that is what counts.)Ranger did more 4x4 sales in 2017,but Hilux is king again in this segment by 1,681 this year.

No one is arguing that but I think it's interesting that there's Hilux, Ranger and then daylight back to the others.
Colorado is not a bad ute but it really seems lost in a sea of the "others".

and all the sales race proves to me is that Ford is not prepared to match Hilux pricing at every turn
be that 4x2s or even volume selling 4x4s, they still do pretty well getting to within 2,000 4x4s

(I underscored "at every turn" because I know someone will miss that and jump all over my statement)

And if anybody thinks that this DPF issue is going to hurt them,think again.They will still do runaway sales figures.If Ranger had this issue,Ford would be in damage mode big time.

But they're not because they did the work properly....

where have I said that the DFP issue would hurt Toyota?
All they have to do is keep affects buyers happy with remedial work..

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

No one is arguing that but I think it's interesting that there's Hilux, Ranger and then daylight back to the others.
Colorado is not a bad ute but it really seems lost in a sea of the "others".

and all the sales race proves to me is that Ford is not prepared to match Hilux pricing at every turn
be that 4x2s or even volume selling 4x4s, they still do pretty well getting to within 2,000 4x4s

(I underscored "at every turn" because I know someone will miss that and jump all over my statement)



But they're not because they did the work properly....

where have I said that the DFP issue would hurt Toyota?
All they have to do is keep affects buyers happy with remedial work..

No you didn’t,but I am sure it will come up,for somebody to put a knife into Hiluxes back.Colorado,is nowhere near as good as Ranger or Hilux.I would buy a Triton before one of those.Cheers

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

No you didn’t,but I am sure it will come up,for somebody to put a knife into Hiluxes back.

and I call BS,
there's already a thread three pages long on the DFP issue that's a good read
with only light good humor banter, here's the link.

https://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11476003

Colorado,is nowhere near as good as Ranger or Hilux.

Notice how I got you to say that.....

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

and I call BS,
there already a thread three pages long on the DFP issue thhat's a good read with only light good humor banter, here's the link.

https://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11476003


Notice how I got you to say that.....

You did! But I never liked the Colorado.Not a fan of this type of ute(any make) Just think they are way,way over priced,Pricing is ridiculous for what they are.But then again I did have a FGMK11 XR6 Ecolpi ute,which was’nt far south of 40k

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hackney

You did! But I never liked the Colorado.Not a fan of this type of ute(any make) Just think they are way,way over priced,Pricing is ridiculous for what they are.But then again I did have a FGMK11 XR6 Ecolpi ute,which was’nt far south of 40k

Can't argue when the eye sees what the heart wants......
$61K for a new XLT 4x4 is too rich for me, even the SR5 at regular price is about $4K-$5K less
Hilux and Ranger are more like our old Commodore or falcon, you're either one or the other or buy somethng else.

I remember when Triton and Navarra were more popular, times change hey...

For me a BT50 is a slightly older Ranger for Colorado price, if only to drive it into a Ford service bay..

I'm very complex ya know...

[hackney]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Can't argue when the eye sees what the heart wants......
$61K for a new XLT 4x4 is too rich for me, even the SR5 at regular price is about $4K-$5K less
Hilux and Ranger are more like our old Commodore or falcon, you're either one or the other or buy somethng else.

I remember when Triton and Navarra were more popular, times change hey...

For me a BT50 is a slightly older Ranger for Colorado price, if only to drive it into a Ford service bay..

I'm very complex ya know...

The prices of these things make me shudder!!