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Old 16-06-2018, 11:36 PM   #31
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Default Re: No More GCM Upgrades on New Vehicles. From July 1 2018.

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Apologies for the earlier post, I completely misread the OP as applying to GVM upgrades.

I have now read the actual govt circular, and I must say it is rather unclear and confusing.
What it actually says:

So it's clear you cannot increase the Towing Capacity.
But to me it's not clear whether you can increase the GCM?
So would increasing the GCM without increasing GCM actually lower the Towing Capacity?

That last sentence is also confusing. It would seem to imply that you could increase towing capacity as part of a separate IPA that did not result in increase DVM?
perhaps you don't understand the terminology. That statement is about as clear as you can get. GCM is set by the first stage manufacturer (the actual car manufacturer) and can't be changed.

Second stage manufacturers (lovell's) can still do GVM upgrades but this has no increase on the towing capacity or the GCM.


Not all manufacturers actually list a GCM. In the absence of a listed GCM, the GCM becomes the GVM + max tow rating. This meant that a increase to GVM would automatically result in an increased GCM. This is no longer the case.
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Old 17-06-2018, 03:45 PM   #32
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Default Re: No More GCM Upgrades on New Vehicles. From July 1 2018.

The solution is smaller caravans and Take Less Stuff. Most of the really good things that you encounter traveling are outside of the van anyway.

I thought we went fairly minimal until we met another young family who stripped the entire inside of their van (minus cooking) and all slept on the floor each night.

Most people take their level of comfort with them, which is currently a McMansion.
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Default Re: No More GCM Upgrades on New Vehicles. From July 1 2018.

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perhaps you don't understand the terminology.
Perhaps you don't understand the English Language.
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GCM is set by the first stage manufacturer (the actual car manufacturer) and can't be changed.
Except it doesn't say that.
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The towing capacity of a light vehicle (expressed as Gross Combination Mass (GCM) rating OR Rated Towing Capacity OR Maximum Braked Towing Mass rating) must not exceed the value set by the first stage manufacturer.
So if the towing capacity is set at say 1T, expressed as a GVM of say 2T and GCM of 3T. If I were to increase BOTH GVM AND GCM by 0.5T, then I have not increased the towing capacity.

If you increase the GVM without a corresponding increase in the GCM, then you have decreased the Towing Capacity.
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Old 18-06-2018, 04:11 PM   #34
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Perhaps you don't understand the English Language.
no need for that mate. I wasn't having a go at you earlier, regarding the terminology. It was a genuine query. There are many people out there who don't tow, and have no intention of towing, and therefore are not familiar with much of the terminology concerning vehicle weights and ratings.

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10.6 The towing capacity of a light vehicle expressed as Gross Combination Mass (GCM) rating or Rated Towing Capacity or Maximum Braked Towing Mass rating must not exceed the value set by the first stage manufacturer. Second stage manufacturers are not permitted to increase the towing capacity as part of an SSM IPA that results in GVM upgrade
The GCM, under new rules, can't be changed from what the manufacturer sets it as, as stated above. GCM and max tow rating are now set in stone.


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If you increase the GVM without a corresponding increase in the GCM, then you have decreased the Towing Capacity.

Correct, except GCM is not able to be increased under new laws. Increasing GVM simply eats in to your max tow capacity.
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