6 cylinder LPG cars vs 4 cylinder petrol cars

la2or · 06-12-2007, 06:23 PM

what are the pros/cons of each?

lpg:
higher startup costs
higher maintenance repair costs

4 cylinder:
cheaper start up costs

[dave] · 06-12-2007, 06:25 PM

the 6 clinder car will probrely be bigger and more cumfy with more features as well

**Mechan1k** · 06-12-2007, 06:29 PM

I can tow my horsefloat comfortably with my LPG ute ... and earns me good money doing courier work at little cost.

Maintenance costs aren't much more than a petrol vehicle .... and that is well offset by the cost of LPG.

Highway driving is effortless as well ... I used to have a small modified Proton hatch ... it was fun to drive ... but overlong distances it felt like it was a task to drive.

Pros of a small 4-cyl:
cost of rego is less.
easier to park
That's about it.

GORDZ · 06-12-2007, 07:08 PM

4cyl: PRO easier to park, easier to thrash, cheaper tyres (generally smaller wheels)
4cyl: CON gutless, buffed by wind, feminine, ricey

6cyl: PRO bigger, more luxurious, easier to mod, much more powerfull, best bang for buck and AUSTRALIAN FTW
6cyl: CON .... ..................... ...................................... i got nothing.

la2or · 06-12-2007, 07:11 PM

I dont park in tight spots anyway. It is quicker to park far away immediately. Get out and powerwalk than cruising round for close parks.

**Mechan1k** · 06-12-2007, 07:13 PM

I don't bother about normal parking spots .... i use loading zones .. because I can (yes legally) ... free 30min parking anywhere.

It's great being a courier.

GORDZ · 06-12-2007, 07:17 PM

and it's also great being a signwriter who makes those courier stickers

ladder racks just add to the effect

**GasoLane** · 06-12-2007, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by la2or

what are the pros/cons of each?

lpg:
higher startup costs
higher maintenance repair costs

4 cylinder:
cheaper start up costs

1# How is a 4cyl cheaper to start?
2# Why is the 6cyl Gas more expensive in repair costs?
3# What was the point of the thread?

Steffo · 06-12-2007, 07:39 PM

6-cyl LPG cars are only beaten in fuel running costs by 4-cyl Turbo-diesel cars. More to the point, the Polo 1.9 TDI, Golf 1.9 & 2.0 TDI, 307 HDi, Punto 1.9 JTD etc etc.

la2or · 06-12-2007, 07:40 PM

4 cylinders are cheaper than the cost of an lpg tank I mean.

but i was told you pay 2500 for LPG conversion and get 2000 back from the government.

da_ilks · 06-12-2007, 07:44 PM

I'd go V8 and gas myself

GORDZ · 06-12-2007, 08:18 PM

i will happily convert my BA XR6 ute to dual fuel when I claim my 13 second pass (next month.)

theunfairadvant · 06-12-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

6-cyl LPG cars are only beaten in fuel running costs by 4-cyl Turbo-diesel cars. More to the point, the Polo 1.9 TDI, Golf 1.9 & 2.0 TDI, 307 HDi, Punto 1.9 JTD etc etc.

I thought after factor in the price of LPG it was cheaper
to run 1000km in LPG than petrol or diesel.

Steffo · 06-12-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by theunfairadvant

I thought after factor in the price of LPG it was cheaper
to run 1000km in LPG than petrol or diesel.

Its not cheaper when your diesel car is using 4 - 4.5L/100km and doing 1000-1200km on 50L. ;)

theunfairadvant · 06-12-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Its not cheaper when your diesel car is using 4 - 4.5L/100km and doing 1000-1200km on 50L. ;)

I'm sure all the 1.9 lit diesel are doing about 5 or mid 5 for 100km,
only the 1.4 lit version is doing about 4 to 4.5 lit.

Now diesel is at $1.60 a lit vs LPG 60 cents.

Ives · 06-12-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TROLL

4cyl: PRO easier to thrash

a W16 car is just as easy to thrash as 4-cyl car.

GORDZ = TROLL =

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GK351 · 06-12-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Its not cheaper when your diesel car is using 4 - 4.5L/100km and doing 1000-1200km on 50L. ;)

Dont you love that,

I am just above half way through the 3rd tank in the tdi golf have done just over 2500km's. gotta love cooking oil.

prydey · 07-12-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Its not cheaper when your diesel car is using 4 - 4.5L/100km and doing 1000-1200km on 50L. ;)

dedicated gas falcon wagon will get over 1000km to a tank (110L) and its less than half the price of diesel.

prydey · 07-12-2007, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by la2or

what are the pros/cons of each?

lpg:
higher startup costs
higher maintenance repair costs

4 cylinder:
cheaper start up costs

i guess it depends.

are you going through the tolls or bypassing them....

Steffo · 07-12-2007, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

dedicated gas falcon wagon will get over 1000km to a tank (110L) and its less than half the price of diesel.

Who told you that?

Dedicated gas Falcon's tank is 90L, not 110.

They average 15-20L/100km. Going by Ford's optimistic, BS claim (15L/100km), that's 600km from 90L. For it to do 1000km it'd have to average 11.11L/100km. Not on your life.

prydey · 07-12-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Who told you that?

Dedicated gas Falcon's tank is 90L, not 110.

They average 15-20L/100km. Going by Ford's optimistic, BS claim (15L/100km), that's 600km from 90L. For it to do 1000km it'd have to average 11.11L/100km. Not on your life.

did you even stop to consider that a family member owns one!! its a wagon, like i said, with a 115L gas tank (2x60). they regularly get over 700km round town on about $55 and on the highway will easily get over 1000 depending on how loaded it is. taking it relatively easy we proved it possible to achieve almost 1200km.

ford also did a promotional round australia trip in a dedicated sedan a while back and achieved similar results. round aus for less than 1k. with 3 or 4 adults in comfort. show me a small car that can achieve even remotely close to that.

clown

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sgt_doofey · 07-12-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

6-cyl LPG cars are only beaten in fuel running costs by 4-cyl Turbo-diesel cars. More to the point, the Polo 1.9 TDI, Golf 1.9 & 2.0 TDI, 307 HDi, Punto 1.9 JTD etc etc.

My EL costs roughly 8 cents per kilometre on LPG, if you only factor in the cost of fuel and not repairs/maintenance/etc.
The HDi 307 we have costs about 7 cents per kilometre.

Therefore the Peugeot is currently cheaper to run. When LPG was down in the low 50's and high 40's (cents per litre), the Falcon dropped to about 6-7c/km.

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For it to do 1000km it'd have to average 11.11L/100km. Not on your life.

I regularly average high 12's/low 13's in the EL on LPG. Most of my driving is highway with small amounts of start stop for good measure. Most I have ever achieved out of the 70L tank is 625kms. Last week, I got 500kms from 63L of LPG. Not bad for a car that is nearly 10 years old and using old technology. I can only assume that the BA-BF Falcon does a lot better.

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Originally Posted by preydey

ord also did a promotional round australia trip in a dedicated sedan a while back and achieved similar results. round aus for less than 1k. with 3 or 4 adults in comfort. show me a small car that can achieve even remotely close to that.

Peugeot did the round Australia in a Turbo Diesel 307 and it cost less than $600 to do it. http://www.peugeot.com.au/PEUGEOT/AU...nshow&FFFF1129

As for the original question posted, the wife and I had our in-laws 2000 Corolla a couple of years ago, before we bought the 307. It was cheaper for my wife to drive to work (mix of city and highway driving - 110km round trip) in the Falcon on LPG than it was to take the Corolla (1.8L DOHC) on petrol. So my wife took the Falcon and the Corolla sat at home as I took the bus to work.

Sure it costs more to buy a larger car, but once on LPG, the costs will be earned back with the savings on fuel costs.

theunfairadvant · 07-12-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Peugeot did the round Australia in a Turbo Diesel 307 and it cost less than $600 to do it. http://www.peugeot.com.au/PEUGEOT/AU...nshow&FFFF1129

Sure it costs more to buy a larger car, but once on LPG, the costs will be earned back with the savings on fuel costs.

WOW didn't know that the Peugeot did the round trip for under $600 bucks.

prydey · 07-12-2007, 01:14 PM

it is impressive, however it is not real world stuff. i wonder how much difference a couple of extra people and luggage would've made.

theunfairadvant · 07-12-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

it is impressive, however it is not real world stuff. i wonder how much difference a couple of extra people and luggage would've made.

Maybe $700 bucks instead of $600.

sgt_doofey · 07-12-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

it is impressive, however it is not real world stuff. i wonder how much difference a couple of extra people and luggage would've made.

In a 4 cylinder Turbo Diesel that has nearly the same amount of torque as family 6 cylinder. Not much I would say.

307 1.6L HDi 240Nm @ 1750rpm
307 2.0L HDi 320Nm @ 2000rpm
Falcon XT 4.0L I6 383Nm @ 2500rpm

The 307 is 1494kgs and I couldn't find the weight of the Falcon to compare, so I can't take in to account the weight difference of the cars, but one could assume that the Falcon would be pushing well past 1500kgs. So I don't think that weight would play much of a difference in what the cars could achieve.

apolloxbgt · 07-12-2007, 01:59 PM

Fwiw,I sold my 06 focus because my 5l xh ute was cheaper to run on lpg,and I could tow my car trailer with it.

Steffo · 08-12-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

did you even stop to consider that a family member owns one!! its a wagon, like i said, with a 115L gas tank (2x60). they regularly get over 700km round town on about $55 and on the highway will easily get over 1000 depending on how loaded it is. taking it relatively easy we proved it possible to achieve almost 1200km.

ford also did a promotional round australia trip in a dedicated sedan a while back and achieved similar results. round aus for less than 1k. with 3 or 4 adults in comfort. show me a small car that can achieve even remotely close to that.

clown

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700km on $55 of gas? That's one miracle 12.1L/100km LPG Falcon you've got there.

$1000 budget to circumnavigate Australia? Easy.

Lets see...

Golf 2.0 TDI DSG
I'll be conservative here... 4.5L/100km highway consumption, 55L tank, that's 1,222.22km/tank. Its roughly 13,000km to circumnavigate Australia on the National 1 highway, so that's 10.64 full tanks. 10.64 * 55 = 585.2 litres. By $1.499 a litre for diesel that's $877.21.

That was easy. Though the old Polo 1.4 16V we had could do it as well...
4.35L/100km highway consumption, 45L tank, 95 RON fuel. 1034.48km/tank, for 13,000km that's 12.57 tanks. 45 * 12.57 = 565.65 litres. By $1.459 a litre for 95 RON that's $825.28.

How about my Renault Clio Sport? 5.2L/100km on the highway, 50L tank, 98 RON. 961.54km/tank. 13.52 tanks to cover 13,000km. 13.52 * 50 is 676 litres. By $1.509 for 98 RON that's $1,020.08 - just over.

Now lets do an LPG Falcon. http://www.carsales.com.au/car-resea...60915.09:40:31 93L fuel tank, 10L/100km highway (and I'm being nice with the figure here). 930km from a tank. 13.98 tanks to cover the whole distance. 1300.14 litres, by $0.649 for LPG, that's $843.79.

So lets see... Golf Diesel, piece of cake. Polo Petrol, piece of cake. Falcon XT E-Gas does it between them, and the high-revving sports car *just* misses the target.

Gee, small cars can't do it hey?

prydey · 08-12-2007, 08:17 AM

do you read all the words or just the ones you want to see.

lets see 3 to 4 adults in comfort on a long journey with luggage, in one of these u beaut small cars of yours.

sure a small car can do it just as cheap, and cheaper but if i'm gong on a long journey and i've got a choice, i know which one i'd have.

also why do you struggle to believe that a dedicated gas falcon achieves what it does. maybe you assume that its a ba. at no point did i say this but going on your last few posts, you don't tend to read that well anyway. au's are a bit lighter and possibly do a little better on the juice than a ba.

sgt_doofey · 08-12-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

700km on $55 of gas? That's one miracle 12.1L/100km LPG Falcon you've got there.

My EL averages high 12's, low 13's. I generally get 450-500kms out of $35, so 700kms out of $55 in a car that is 9 years old is easy enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by prydey

lets see 3 to 4 adults in comfort on a long journey with luggage, in one of these u beaut small cars of yours.

sure a small car can do it just as cheap, and cheaper but if i'm gong on a long journey and i've got a choice, i know which one i'd have.

Ummm, our 307 is the Touring, which means it's the wagon. 4 adults + luggage would be no problem considering the boot is 520L. Now the Falcon sedan is 504L. Which car is going to fit more luggage? As for comfort, you sit more upright in the 307, so it is nice and comfortable on the long drive and much easier on your back.